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chimera
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Sep 12th, 2024 at 11:09am
 
Prior to federation, some states blocked voting by Aboriginals and non-Europeans. There is no right to vote in the Australian Constitution except the negative.  'No adult person who has or acquires a right to vote at elections for the more numerous House of the Parliament of a State shall, while the right continues, be prevented by any law of the Commonwealth from voting at elections for either House of the Parliament of the Commonwealth'.https://www.austlii.edu.au/au/journals/SydLawRw/2014/10.pdf

In 1902 the Commonwealth Franchise Act excluded "natives of Australia, Asia, Africa and the Pacific Islands (other than New Zealand)" from the federal franchise, unless they were already enrolled to vote in an Australian state. In 1925, Indians and Asian Australians could vote. The Commonwealth Electoral Act 1961 removed the disqualification on Africans and Pacific Islanders.

Like freedom of speech, voting is not protected in the constitution but is 'implied' - maybe we have rights, maybe not. However, voting, as a possibility, is compulsory which is strange. Free speech against being forced to vote is not enough to escape its grip.
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Reply #1 - Sep 13th, 2024 at 1:26am
 
Interesting post, I often wonder why I am forced to vote in a Democracy? I
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Reply #2 - Sep 13th, 2024 at 7:12am
 
Daves2017 wrote on Sep 13th, 2024 at 1:26am:
Interesting post, I often wonder why I am forced to vote in a Democracy? I



so that we don't end up a country governed by extremes, like the US is becoming.
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Reply #3 - Sep 13th, 2024 at 7:23am
 
Daves2017 wrote on Sep 13th, 2024 at 1:26am:
Interesting post, I often wonder why I am forced to vote in a Democracy? I


You're not being forced to vote.

You're only being "forced" to attend a polling booth on election day to have your name 'crossed off' the electoral roll to show that you've attended.

What you do with the ballot papers after they give them to you when you've had your name 'crossed off' is entirely up to you... you can leave them blank or put "0" next to the name of every candidate of you wish.
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Reply #4 - Sep 13th, 2024 at 11:30am
 
For over a century the age was 21 years as in state voting, until Whitlam made it 18 years in 1973.  In 1970 New South Wales was the first State to lower the voting age from 21 to 18, and in 1973 the voting age was lowered to 18 for Federal elections.

So the definition is missing from the constitution and the age can be anything. If it's only red-haired drug-addicts above 65 years voting in state or fed elections, that's the rule. If pollies decide only themselves can vote and keep themselves in a dictatorship, then that is the law.  The quoted article shows how woofy the whole thing is, with s 41 being ignored if people want to. If Trump is the man to follow, where will he take us?
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I think I have just located Peak Guardian. It can be found on page 57 of the newspaper’s latest Saturday magazine, ‘Saturday’. And it rests under the headline: ‘Should we give babies the right to vote?’

In the piece, a woman called Laura Spinney advances the case for ‘ageless voting’. She accepts that a common first reaction to ageless voting is ‘laughter’. But the woman adds: ‘Then people start to think and often they end up saying they can’t find any serious objections.’ Later she expands upon her thesis: ‘…children are observant and can ask questions that are troubling because they are so fundamental: questions about war, meat, money, love and death’.

You just knew that meat would be in there somewhere, didn’t you? Anyway, please remember that I read this crap so that you don’t have to.
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Reply #6 - Jul 9th, 2025 at 3:18pm
 
chimera wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 11:09am:
Prior to federation, some states blocked voting by Aboriginals and non-Europeans. There is no right to vote in the Australian Constitution except the negative.  'No adult person who has or acquires a right to vote at elections for the more numerous House of the Parliament of a State shall, while the right continues, be prevented by any law of the Commonwealth from voting at elections for either House of the Parliament of the Commonwealth'.https://www.austlii.edu.au/au/journals/SydLawRw/2014/10.pdf

In 1902 the Commonwealth Franchise Act excluded "natives of Australia, Asia, Africa and the Pacific Islands (other than New Zealand)" from the federal franchise, unless they were already enrolled to vote in an Australian state. In 1925, Indians and Asian Australians could vote. The Commonwealth Electoral Act 1961 removed the disqualification on Africans and Pacific Islanders.

Like freedom of speech, voting is not protected in the constitution but is 'implied' - maybe we have rights, maybe not. However, voting, as a possibility, is compulsory which is strange. Free speech against being forced to vote is not enough to escape its grip.


Constitutions do little to protect rights. Take the right to bear arms in the US. Apparently it shall not be infringed. Yet they have all sorts of laws designed and intended to limit those rights. It takes vigilant voters to protect rights in any meaningful way. The Americans are losing the right to bear arms because that is what voters want. Australians have all sorts of rights, often more so than citizens in countries with a constitution that specifically gives them those rights, because we expect and demand it from our politicians.

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children are observant and can ask questions that are troubling because they are so fundamental: questions about war, meat, money, love and death’


Children will ask what animal the meat comes from. It takes indoctrination to make them question the right to eat it.
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