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Re: 40 degrees in August?
Reply #45 - Sep 6^th, 2024 at 2:31pm

chimera wrote on Sep 6^th, 2024 at 2:21pm:

chimera wrote on Sep 6^th, 2024 at 9:59am:

'Arctic near-surface wind speed (NWS) plays an increasingly crucial role in influencing the local air-sea interactions and the safety of trans-Arctic shipping, ... . in a warming climate'.'

'Hong Kong container ship New Star has become the largest ship to travel across the Arctic with a length of 231 meters.

https://gcaptain.com/chinese-container-ship-becomes-largest-to-travel-through-ar...

Its height is 30m giving a profile of 6900 sq m. at 2MPa wind-load= 13,800MPa. Less greenhouse gas from ship-fuel is produced because Iceland is moving eastward, shortening the distance. The wind also compresses the ship by 13.8mm during the Arctic travel, which needs volcanic levels of engine exhaust.

Please get it right.

"NewNew Star"

"The vessel’s owner, Yangpu NewNew Shipping Company"

https://gcaptain.com/chinese-container-ship-becomes-largest-to-travel-through-ar...

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21498 Gender:	Re: 40 degrees in August? Reply #46 - Sep 6^th, 2024 at 2:48pm Was the NewNew Star accompanied by one of the three Chinese Icebreakers?
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Reply #47 - Sep 6^th, 2024 at 3:07pm

chimera wrote on Sep 6^th, 2024 at 9:59am:

Iceland's strongest measured 10-minute sustained wind speed is 225 km/h and the strongest gust 267 km/h.

So you think it's 'NewNew Star' after splinters of ice at 267kmh have blasted the gloss paint? There's volcanic ash, dead seagulls and crew vomit and the owners find it hard to recognise her anymore.

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 15451 Armidale Gender:	Re: 40 degrees in August? Reply #48 - Sep 6^th, 2024 at 3:09pm lee wrote on Sep 6^th, 2024 at 2:48pm: Was the NewNew Star accompanied by one of the three Chinese Icebreakers? Not likely in those winds. Iceland may be reported as a missing tecton.
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Re: 40 degrees in August?
Reply #49 - Sep 6^th, 2024 at 3:34pm

lee wrote on Aug 26^th, 2024 at 7:29pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 26^th, 2024 at 6:36pm:

Let's just discard the unusual nature of the weather, hey, Lee?

Climate is what you get weather is what you expect.

BTW - IPCC AR4 hasn't been changed or rebutted.

"The climate system is a coupled non-linear chaotic system, and therefore the long-term prediction of future climate states is not possible."

https://www.un.org/en/climatechange/science/mythbusters?gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKC...

The Synthesis Report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), released in March 2023, categorically confirmed that human activity is the overwhelming cause of climate change. The IPCC’s comprehensive assessments are written by hundreds of leading scientists from around the globe, with contributions from thousands of experts, and endorsed by the governments of every country in the world.

Ok..let's ignore the world's governments, most of whom are incompetent; but your quoted statement (ie IPCC AR4) is not a rejection of the IPCC position quoted by me.

The former merely states it's impossible to predict actual outcomes at any particular time in the future, though it is possible to confirm human activity is the 'overwhelming' cause of climate change.

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 15451 Armidale Gender:	Re: 40 degrees in August? Reply #50 - Sep 6^th, 2024 at 4:12pm The fastest subduction plates velocity is ∼ 8.5 cm / yr and carries AGW heat into the delicately balanced magma zone. Add the friction-heat from wind-forced tectonic shift and the planet is ready to blow.
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Re: 40 degrees in August?
Reply #51 - Sep 6^th, 2024 at 9:17pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 6^th, 2024 at 3:34pm:

https://www.un.org/en/climatechange/science/mythbusters?gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKC...

The Synthesis Report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), released in March 2023, categorically confirmed that human activity is the overwhelming cause of climate change. The IPCC’s comprehensive assessments are written by hundreds of leading scientists from around the globe, with contributions from thousands of experts, and endorsed by the governments of every country in the world.

Ok..let's ignore the world's governments, most of whom are incompetent; but your quoted statement (ie IPCC AR4) is not a rejection of the IPCC position quoted by me.

The former merely states it's impossible to predict actual outcomes at any particular time in the future, though it is possible to confirm human activity is the 'overwhelming' cause of climate change.

Let us be very realistic here. If the entire planet's population decided to be environmentally friendly to their best abilities, the world would still have climate change. The only considerable difference being that at least the world would be clean.

The only parts of "human activity" that you can consider driving climate change would be the records of pollution (air, light and noise), and urban heat. Or you could factor in stuff like extinction levels of plant and animal species.

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Reply #52 - Sep 6^th, 2024 at 10:28pm

lee wrote on Sep 5^th, 2024 at 2:47pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 29^th, 2024 at 4:15pm:

lee wrote on Aug 29^th, 2024 at 3:08pm:

Climate change caused it? Grin

It does. That is one of the reasons why Australia is floating north quite quickly.

So your last reference indicates the opposite. Climate change is an effect, not a cause. Roll Eyes

If you change the climate, you are creating an increased plate tectonic effect.

Simple high school science would elaborate upon that fact.

Much less effect on climate from plate tectonic being the cause... unless the volcanos explode, or the earthquakes shift the mountain ranges.

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Bobby. Moderator Online Australian Politics Posts: 121911 Melbourne Gender:	Re: 40 degrees in August? Reply #53 - Sep 6^th, 2024 at 10:41pm chimera wrote on Sep 6^th, 2024 at 4:12pm: The fastest subduction plates velocity is ∼ 8.5 cm / yr and carries AGW heat into the delicately balanced magma zone. Add the friction-heat from wind-forced tectonic shift and the planet is ready to blow. Link?
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UnSubRocky Gold Member Offline Crocodile Hunter: Origins Posts: 26224 Rockhampton Gender:	Re: 40 degrees in August? Reply #54 - Sep 6^th, 2024 at 11:33pm chimera wrote on Sep 6^th, 2024 at 4:12pm: The fastest subduction plates velocity is ∼ 8.5 cm / yr and carries AGW heat into the delicately balanced magma zone. Add the friction-heat from wind-forced tectonic shift and the planet is ready to blow. At the very least, reference where that 8.5 cm / yr subduction is located.
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Reply #55 - Sep 6^th, 2024 at 11:35pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 6^th, 2024 at 10:41pm:

chimera wrote on Sep 6^th, 2024 at 4:12pm:

The fastest subduction plates velocity is ∼ 8.5 cm / yr and carries AGW heat into the delicately balanced magma zone. Add the friction-heat from wind-forced tectonic shift and the planet is ready to blow.

Link?

I think she means this:
https://www.cnrs.fr/en/press/subduction-zone-geometry-mega-earthquake-risk-indic...

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 15451 Armidale Gender:	Re: 40 degrees in August? Reply #56 - Sep 7^th, 2024 at 5:08am Bobby. wrote on Sep 6^th, 2024 at 10:41pm: Link? Abstract in https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0012821X15001235#:~:text=...
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Re: 40 degrees in August?
Reply #57 - Sep 7^th, 2024 at 5:34am

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 6^th, 2024 at 11:33pm:

8.5 cm / yr subduction.

Subduction zones are the major surface expression of the mantle convection process, provide the main driving mechanism for plate tectonics. Subduction zones occur in a horseshoe shape around the edge of the Pacific Ocean, Canada, Russia, Japan and Indonesia to New Zealand and the southern edge of South America.

'Russia's territory, however, has been warming almost twice as fast as land globally – at 0.51C per decade'. https://www.aa.com.tr/en/environment/climate-change-russia-is-heating-up-almost-...
'warming across Canada has been about twice the global average and in the Canadian Arctic, the warming has been about three times higher.'
https://news.westernu.ca/2024/01/expert-insight-canada-is-warming-faster-than-an...

Putin rejects western dominance in warming and has ordered increased heating from Russian forest fires. Alexander Kozlov, Minister of Natural Resources and Environment, is responsible. He is at 4/6 Bolshaya Gruzinskaya Ulitsa, Moscow, and has a target of .75 C per decade. Under Putin's strong grip even reaching 1 degree is possible if all forests are burning using Siberian gas and oil, 24/7. Ukraine wheat-fields are an obvious heat source. Volcanic magma is at a tipping point.

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Re: 40 degrees in August?
Reply #58 - Sep 7^th, 2024 at 9:03am

chimera wrote on Sep 7^th, 2024 at 5:34am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 6^th, 2024 at 11:33pm:

8.5 cm / yr subduction.

Subduction zones are the major surface expression of the mantle convection process, provide the main driving mechanism for plate tectonics. Subduction zones occur in a horseshoe shape around the edge of the Pacific Ocean, Canada, Russia, Japan and Indonesia to New Zealand and the southern edge of South America.

Yes, thank you. I am 45, I have graduated high school. I have obtained a degree that included studying Geography as a major. And I am very capable of researching my own studies.

What I am not capable of is pre-empting some people that throw down links without any frame of reference. Others put down allegations of their opinions without putting up a link to support their argument.

Many lawyers have argued that I have potential. Others argue that I need to quit drinking.

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 15451 Armidale Gender:	Re: 40 degrees in August? Reply #59 - Sep 7^th, 2024 at 10:31am The global warming effect of moving Australia by wind-force is being developed by Mr UnSubRocky and junior partner Chimera. The only references are in OzPol which is a major centre of Geography, Alcohol and Trump. Watch this space.
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