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Reply #15 - Aug 10th, 2024 at 11:16pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Aug 10th, 2024 at 7:10am:
Dear RussiAnVetEraN,

Video shows bodies on burnt-out Russian trucks in Kursk region
as Ukrainian cross-border assaults rage


By Olga Voitovych, Victoria Butenko, Allegra Goodwin, Christian Edwards and Darya Tarasova, CNN
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Updated 4:18 PM EDT, Fri August 9, 2024


Dear Bobby.

I watched the video carefully. And I do not understand why the convoy of trucks was damaged, and the asphalt of the road, nearby houses and their fences remained completely intact.
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Reply #16 - Aug 10th, 2024 at 11:43pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Aug 10th, 2024 at 7:54am:
Russia struggles to repel Ukraine's deep Kursk incursion


The Russian defence ministry said it was “continuing to repel” Ukraine’s military, which it claimed had lost more than
Some residents of the Kursk region were evacuated by authorities, with a group pulling into Moscow’s central train station on Friday. One unnamed resident told AFP news agency: "It's terrible. They are bombing.”


I wonder what they mean when they talk about the "Moscow central train station"?  Roll Eyes

There are many train stations in Moscow. For example, Belarusian, Kiev, Leningrad, Kursk, Kazan, Yaroslavl, etc.
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Reply #17 - Aug 11th, 2024 at 12:34am
 
And now let's read the official Russian source of information.



Statement by Russian Defence Ministry

10.08.2024 (12:05)

The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue to repel the AFU attempt to invade the territory of the Russian Federation.
Over the 24 hours, the active actions of the Sever Group of Forces and arrived reserves, Army Aviation and artillery strikes thwarted the attempts of the enemy's mobile groups to get to the depth of the Russian territory near Ivashkovskoye, Malaya Loknya, and Olgovka.

Fire damage was inflicted on the AFU manpower and hardware near Nikolayevo-Daryino, Gusevo, Lyubimovka, Zeleniy Shliyakh, and Sverdlikovo.

Aviation and missile troops delivered strikes at the enemy's reserves on the territory of Sumy region.

Up to 15 Ukrainian troops were eliminated as a result of a strike by a missile equipped with a thermobaric warhead at a temporary deployment area of foreign mercenaries on the southern outskirts of Sudzha.

Over the past 24, the AFU losses have amounted to up to 175 Ukrainian troops and 36 units of hardware, including 10 tanks, three armoured personnel carriers, two infantry fighting vehicles, 21 armoured fighting vehicles, one motor vehicle, three field artillery howitzers, and one BM-21 Grad MLRS combat vehicle.

Since the beginning of hostilities in Kursk region, the AFU losses amounted to up to 1,120 Ukrainian troops, 140 units of hardware, including 22 tanks, 20 armoured personnel carriers, eight infantry fighting vehicles, 88 armoured fighting vehicles, 13 motor vehicles, two Buk-M1 self-propelled SAM systems, one BM-21 Grad MLRS combat vehicle, and six field artillery howitzers.

The operation to neutralise the AFU units is in progress.
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Reply #18 - Aug 11th, 2024 at 10:32am
 
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5y87gk729do


Does anyone have a idea why they have attack this particular area of Russia?

It obviously cannot be held. Is it just a bold warning or perhaps a attempt to destabilize Russia.

It must be a shock to Moscow to suddenly have thousands of refugees arrive by train to escape Ukraine.
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Reply #19 - Aug 11th, 2024 at 10:43am
 
Does anyone have a idea why they have attack this particular area of Russia?
answer : It must be a shock to Moscow to suddenly have thousands of refugees arrive by train to escape Ukraine.
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Reply #20 - Aug 11th, 2024 at 12:12pm
 
Daves2017 wrote on Aug 11th, 2024 at 10:32am:
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5y87gk729do
Does anyone have a idea why they have attack this particular area of Russia?


There was a gap in the defense line in that part of border manned by only border guards unit (national service conscripts).
It  was either f#ck up in Russian general defense strategy or bait to get the fish into the barrel.



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It obviously cannot be held. Is it just a bold warning or perhaps a attempt to destabilize Russia.


The only rational in military sense is an attempt to draw Russian resources from other directions where Ukraine steadily loosing ground.
Also the attack coincided with reported F16 arrival to  Ukraine. So again it  can be attempt to draw Russian air  reconnaissance and assault resources away to get time for hiding and preparing F16s. 
Also media effect for creating "all is well" narrative by Kiev regime.
 

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It must be a shock to Moscow to suddenly have thousands of refugees arrive by train to escape Ukraine.


There  were over 1.2 million refugees from Ukraine  recorded in Russia in 2023 and more then 4 millions after illegal overthrow of democratically elected government in 2014 so "thousands" hardly would make a difference.
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Reply #21 - Aug 11th, 2024 at 12:22pm
 
tallowood wrote on Aug 11th, 2024 at 12:12pm:
Daves2017 wrote on Aug 11th, 2024 at 10:32am:
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5y87gk729do
Does anyone have a idea why they have attack this particular area of Russia?


There was a gap in the defense line in that part of border manned by only border guards unit (national service conscripts).
It  was either f#ck up in Russian general defense strategy or bait to get the fish into the barrel.



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It obviously cannot be held. Is it just a bold warning or perhaps a attempt to destabilize Russia.


The only rational in military sense is an attempt to draw Russian resources from other directions where Ukraine steadily loosing ground.
Also the attack coincided with reported F16 arrival to  Ukraine. So again it  can be attempt to draw Russian air  reconnaissance and assault resources away to get time for hiding and preparing F16s. 
Also media effect for creating "all is well" narrative by Kiev regime.
 

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It must be a shock to Moscow to suddenly have thousands of refugees arrive by train to escape Ukraine.


There  were over 1.2 million refugees from Ukraine  recorded in Russia in 2023 and more then 4 millions after illegal overthrow of democratically elected government in 2014 so "thousands" hardly would make a difference.


Thankyou, all that makes sense, particularly buying time for f16 to become operational.

It seems a awful lot of resources Ukraine to waste just on a pr exercise.

It's day five now I believe and they are still advancing so who knows how it will end.
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Reply #22 - Aug 11th, 2024 at 1:09pm
 
Here is the map of general situation on 10/08/2024 to put things into perspective.
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The more detailed map of the Kursk region affected by theUkrainian offensive.
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Reply #23 - Aug 11th, 2024 at 1:32pm
 
tallowood wrote on Aug 11th, 2024 at 12:12pm:
There  were over 1.2 million refugees from Ukraine  recorded in Russia in 2023 and more then 4 millions after illegal overthrow of democratically elected government in 2014 so "thousands" hardly would make a difference.

However, those weren't Russians from inside Russia. Big daddy Putin has left the building.
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Reply #24 - Aug 12th, 2024 at 12:05am
 
Daves2017 wrote on Aug 11th, 2024 at 10:32am:
Does anyone have a idea why they have attack this particular area of Russia?


First, we need to ask another question. Are there many regions of Russia bordering Ukraine now?

The answer is that if we do not consider the areas through which the front passes, then there are only three of them: Bryansk, Kursk and Belgorod.

There is a Nuclear Power Plant in the Kursk region, 60 km from the border with Ukraine.



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Reply #25 - Aug 12th, 2024 at 4:33am
 
Kursk only exports to countries like Uzbekistan and Moldova. It should be annexed by Ukraine to develop Kyiv's security aspiration and F16 base.
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Reply #26 - Aug 12th, 2024 at 7:26am
 
tallowood wrote on Aug 11th, 2024 at 12:12pm:
The only rational in military sense is an attempt to draw Russian resources from other directions where Ukraine steadily loosing ground.
Also the attack coincided with reported F16 arrival to  Ukraine. So again it  can be attempt to draw Russian air  reconnaissance and assault resources away to get time for hiding and preparing F16s. 


Updated map in connection with the events in the zone of the SVO from August 7 to 10, 2024.
General territorial changes +13.6 km² to AFRu
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Doesn't look like AFU actions in Kursk region changed Russian progress on main directions.
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Reply #27 - Aug 12th, 2024 at 7:33am
 
Zelensky is invading because he wants to become the King of Russia.

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Reply #28 - Aug 13th, 2024 at 3:08pm
 
I have a different view.  I believe this invasion actually showed that perhaps Ukraine and Russia is not that far away from negotiations.   For Ukraine, the main priority is to get as many bargaining chips onto the table as possible, so that the final condition / agreement would be more favourable.   Ukraine is using 1000 troops - which is relatively small in number, to attempt to gain more negotiation power.  I mean, with just 1000 troops, it is impossible for such a small force to invade, and then hold on to any territory permanently.   And on the other hand, even if every thing goes pear shaped, it is still ‘only’ 1000 troops in grand scheme of things, and good for optics - as it is the first time Ukraine able to penetrate Russian territory.
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Reply #29 - Aug 13th, 2024 at 3:46pm
 
tickleandrose wrote on Aug 13th, 2024 at 3:08pm:
I have a different view.  I believe this invasion actually showed that perhaps Ukraine and Russia is not that far away from negotiations.   For Ukraine, the main priority is to get as many bargaining chips onto the table as possible, so that the final condition / agreement would be more favourable. 

It is a part of the packet. They also have to show military results to get more money from sponsors but will they be able to hold on the ground till negotiations start and at what price?

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Ukraine is using 1000 troops - which is relatively small in number, to attempt to gain more negotiation power.  I mean, with just 1000 troops, it is impossible for such a small force to invade, and then hold on to any territory permanently.   And on the other hand, even if every thing goes pear shaped, it is still ‘only’ 1000 troops in grand scheme of things, and good for optics - as it is the first time Ukraine able to penetrate Russian territory. 


Now AFU moved in more troops so it is 5 brigades with maybe 10000 personnel all up. However they seem to use lots of armour.
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