Australian Politics Forum - Share market crash this morning.

freediver

Gold Member

Offline

www.ozpolitic.com

Posts: 51285
At my desk.

Re: Share market crash this morning.
Reply #300 - Aug 2^nd, 2025 at 3:06pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2025 at 1:55pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2025 at 1:12pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2025 at 12:50pm:

And all his talk about how he's forcing higher prices on the trading countries' citizens with tariffs?

Can you quote what he actually said?

"I am going to put tariffs on other countries coming into our country, and that has nothing to do with taxes to us. That is a tax on another country,”

“It’s not a tax on the middle class. It’s a tax on another country.”

“it’s not going to be a cost to you, it’s going to be a cost to another country.”

It's a simple question Meister. Can you tell the difference between what Trump actually said, and what you claimed he said?

Back to top

People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.

IP Logged

MeisterEckhart

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 16038
Gender: male

Re: Share market crash this morning.
Reply #301 - Aug 2^nd, 2025 at 3:09pm

freediver wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2025 at 2:45pm:

You have done a good job of convincing me that Stevensen is not as stupid as you make him out. It's just another of your delusions that everyone agrees with you.

So you've not read Stevenson's book or watched a few of his interviews, then.

Of course you haven't... As an autistic, you hadn't heard of him, so he didn't exist.

Back to top

IP Logged

MeisterEckhart

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 16038
Gender: male

Re: Share market crash this morning.
Reply #302 - Aug 2^nd, 2025 at 3:12pm

freediver wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2025 at 3:06pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2025 at 1:55pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2025 at 1:12pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2025 at 12:50pm:

And all his talk about how he's forcing higher prices on the trading countries' citizens with tariffs?

Can you quote what he actually said?

"I am going to put tariffs on other countries coming into our country, and that has nothing to do with taxes to us. That is a tax on another country,”

“It’s not a tax on the middle class. It’s a tax on another country.”

“it’s not going to be a cost to you, it’s going to be a cost to another country.”

It's a simple question Meister. Can you tell the difference between what Trump actually said, and what you claimed he said?

It's the same answer. Taxes are paid by the citizens and PRs of a country.

Did you not know that? Is this another 'I didn't know' thing? You seem to be using that a lot recently.

Back to top

IP Logged

freediver

Gold Member

Offline

www.ozpolitic.com

Posts: 51285
At my desk.

Re: Share market crash this morning.
Reply #303 - Aug 2^nd, 2025 at 3:13pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2025 at 3:09pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2025 at 2:45pm:

You have done a good job of convincing me that Stevensen is not as stupid as you make him out. It's just another of your delusions that everyone agrees with you.

So you've not read Stevenson's book or watched a few of his interviews, then.

Of course you haven't... As an autistic, you hadn't heard of him, so he didn't exist.

This is just another good example of you making things up again. Far easier to tell me what I think than address what I actually say, right Meister?

I do think it is more plausible that you mangled and misunderstood what he said, then replaced with with your own opinions, than that he said the wacky things you attributed to him. After all, I see you get it wrong pretty much every single time, even when it is right there in front of you, in writing. And you follow this up every single time by making something else up to justify yourself.

Back to top

People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.

IP Logged

freediver

Gold Member

Offline

www.ozpolitic.com

Posts: 51285
At my desk.

Re: Share market crash this morning.
Reply #304 - Aug 2^nd, 2025 at 3:15pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2025 at 3:12pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2025 at 3:06pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2025 at 1:55pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2025 at 1:12pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2025 at 12:50pm:

And all his talk about how he's forcing higher prices on the trading countries' citizens with tariffs?

Can you quote what he actually said?

"I am going to put tariffs on other countries coming into our country, and that has nothing to do with taxes to us. That is a tax on another country,”

“It’s not a tax on the middle class. It’s a tax on another country.”

“it’s not going to be a cost to you, it’s going to be a cost to another country.”

It's a simple question Meister. Can you tell the difference between what Trump actually said, and what you claimed he said?

It's the same answer. Taxes are paid by the citizens and PRs of a country.

Did you not know that? Is this another 'I didn't know' thing? You seem to be using that a lot recently.

So, not only can you not tell the difference between the two statements, even when it is brought to your attention, you now still think they are the same?

If it's the same answer, what do you think the question is? Or is this just you mangling your English again?

Back to top

People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.

IP Logged

MeisterEckhart

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 16038
Gender: male

Re: Share market crash this morning.
Reply #305 - Aug 2^nd, 2025 at 3:18pm

freediver wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2025 at 3:13pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2025 at 3:09pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2025 at 2:45pm:

You have done a good job of convincing me that Stevensen is not as stupid as you make him out. It's just another of your delusions that everyone agrees with you.

So you've not read Stevenson's book or watched a few of his interviews, then.

Of course you haven't... As an autistic, you hadn't heard of him, so he didn't exist.

This is just another good example of you making things up again. Far easier to tell me what I think than address what I actually say, right Meister?

I do think it is more plausible that you mangled and misunderstood what he said, then replaced with with your own opinions, than that he said the wacky things you attributed to him. After all, I see you get it wrong pretty much every single time, even when it is right there in front of you, in writing. And you follow this up every single time by making something else up to justify yourself.

Again, this is how your autism affects your capacity to learn.

Given you have shown amazing ignorance on politics, economics, and social issues, with your only drive being autistic rage, you argue the toss.

This tactic is common among autistics when careening towards a meltdown... you're not alone in that.

Back to top

IP Logged

MeisterEckhart

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 16038
Gender: male

Re: Share market crash this morning.
Reply #306 - Aug 2^nd, 2025 at 3:20pm

freediver wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2025 at 3:15pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2025 at 3:12pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2025 at 3:06pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2025 at 1:55pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2025 at 1:12pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2025 at 12:50pm:

And all his talk about how he's forcing higher prices on the trading countries' citizens with tariffs?

Can you quote what he actually said?

"I am going to put tariffs on other countries coming into our country, and that has nothing to do with taxes to us. That is a tax on another country,”

“It’s not a tax on the middle class. It’s a tax on another country.”

“it’s not going to be a cost to you, it’s going to be a cost to another country.”

It's a simple question Meister. Can you tell the difference between what Trump actually said, and what you claimed he said?

It's the same answer. Taxes are paid by the citizens and PRs of a country.

Did you not know that? Is this another 'I didn't know' thing? You seem to be using that a lot recently.

So, not only can you not tell the difference between the two statements, even when it is brought to your attention, you now still think they are the same?

If it's the same answer, what do you think the question is? Or is this just you mangling your English again?

Again, an autistic deflection.

Back to top

IP Logged

freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 51285 At my desk.	Re: Share market crash this morning. Reply #307 - Aug 2^nd, 2025 at 3:23pm Just to be clear Meister, you think that putting a tax on the importation of certain goods from a foreign country is the same as forcing the citizens of that foreign country to pay more for those goods?
Back to top	People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words. IP Logged

MeisterEckhart

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 16038
Gender: male

Re: Share market crash this morning.
Reply #308 - Aug 2^nd, 2025 at 3:30pm

freediver wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2025 at 3:23pm:

Just to be clear Meister, you think that putting a tax on the importation of certain goods from a foreign country is the same as forcing the citizens of that foreign country to pay more for those goods?

To be clear, freediver, that is what Trump has claimed in that he claimed the other countries are paying the tariff.

He has since pivoted closer to the point of tariffs, as evidenced by his rant that American kids have too many dolls and pencils.

Back to top

IP Logged

freediver

Gold Member

Offline

www.ozpolitic.com

Posts: 51285
At my desk.

Re: Share market crash this morning.
Reply #309 - Aug 2^nd, 2025 at 3:33pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2025 at 3:30pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2025 at 3:23pm:

Just to be clear Meister, you think that putting a tax on the importation of certain goods from a foreign country is the same as forcing the citizens of that foreign country to pay more for those goods?

To be clear, freediver, that is what Trump has claimed in that he claimed the other countries are paying the tariff.

He has since pivoted closer to the point of tariffs, as evidenced by his rant that American kids have too many dolls and pencils.

Does it only mean the same thing when you are talking about what Trump said?

If for example, I asked you whether you think that putting a tax on the importation of certain goods from a foreign country is the same as forcing the citizens of that foreign country to pay more for those goods, would you still say yes?

Back to top

People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.

IP Logged

MeisterEckhart

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 16038
Gender: male

Re: Share market crash this morning.
Reply #310 - Aug 2^nd, 2025 at 3:36pm

freediver wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2025 at 3:33pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2025 at 3:30pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2025 at 3:23pm:

Just to be clear Meister, you think that putting a tax on the importation of certain goods from a foreign country is the same as forcing the citizens of that foreign country to pay more for those goods?

To be clear, freediver, that is what Trump has claimed in that he claimed the other countries are paying the tariff.

He has since pivoted closer to the point of tariffs, as evidenced by his rant that American kids have too many dolls and pencils.

Does it only mean the same thing when you are talking about what Trump said?

If for example, I asked you whether you think that putting a tax on the importation of certain goods from a foreign country is the same as forcing the citizens of that foreign country to pay more for those goods, would you still say yes?

Autism again.

That is what Trump once claimed.

Do you know the difference between quoting a third party and making a personal statement?

Back to top

IP Logged

freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 51285 At my desk.	Re: Share market crash this morning. Reply #311 - Aug 2^nd, 2025 at 3:41pm Yes Meister. That is why I asked you to quote what Trump actually said. Do you think that putting a tax on the importation of certain goods from a foreign country is the same as forcing the citizens of that foreign country to pay more for those goods?
Back to top	People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words. IP Logged

MeisterEckhart

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 16038
Gender: male

Re: Share market crash this morning.
Reply #312 - Aug 2^nd, 2025 at 3:46pm

freediver wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2025 at 3:41pm:

Yes Meister. That is why I asked you to quote what Trump actually said.

Do you think that putting a tax on the importation of certain goods from a foreign country is the same as forcing the citizens of that foreign country to pay more for those goods?

No, I don't.

Tariffs are paid for, in this case, ultimately by the American consumer.

Trump, himself, has pivoted away from his original claim since first announcing tariffs.

Back to top

IP Logged

freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 51285 At my desk.	Re: Share market crash this morning. Reply #313 - Aug 2^nd, 2025 at 3:57pm Quote: Trump, himself, has pivoted away from his original claim which was?
Back to top	People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words. IP Logged

MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16038 Gender:	Re: Share market crash this morning. Reply #314 - Aug 2^nd, 2025 at 4:00pm freediver wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2025 at 3:57pm: Quote: Trump, himself, has pivoted away from his original claim which was? That American kids have too many dolls and pencils.
Back to top	IP Logged