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Reply #90 - May 14th, 2025 at 5:56pm
 
Civil War Comes to the West



"Europe is a garden. We have built a garden. Everything works. It is the best combination of political freedom, economic prosperity and social cohesion that the humankind has been able to build—the three things together … Most of the rest of the world is a jungle…"

So said EU Foreign Affairs chief Josep Borrell in Bruges in October 2022. Future dictionaries will use it as an example of the definition of hubris.

That is because the major threat to the security and prosperity of the West today emanates from its own dire social instability, structural and economic decline, cultural desiccation and, in my view, elite pusillanimity.


To judge from President Biden’s September 2022 speech in which he declared ‘MAGA Republicans represent an extremism that threatens the very foundations of our republic’ governments are beginning to take heed, albeit cautiously and awkwardly.[iii]

The field of strategic studies, however, is largely silent on the issue, which is strange because it ought to be something of concern. Why is it correct to perceive the increasing danger of violent internal conflict erupting in the West? What are the strategies and tactics likely to be employed in the civil wars to come in the West and by whom? These are the questions which I shall address in this essay.
https://www.militarystrategymagazine.com/article/civil-war-comes-to-the-west/


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https://www.spectator.com.au/2025/04/the-coming-british-civil-war-with-david-bet...



David Betz is Professor of War in the Modern World in the Department of War Studies, King’s College London where he heads the MA War Studies programme. He is also a Senior Fellow of the Foreign Policy Research Institute.


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Reply #91 - May 14th, 2025 at 6:30pm
 
I Told You So!!
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Reply #92 - May 14th, 2025 at 6:54pm
 
Is it between the sunni's and the shia's.
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Reply #93 - May 15th, 2025 at 1:03pm
 
Ant Middleton is running for Mayor of London.... this'll be good...
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Reply #94 - May 15th, 2025 at 1:04pm
 
Leroy wrote on May 14th, 2025 at 6:54pm:
Is it between the sunni's and the shia's.


We can only hope - and may their martyrs rise to Heaven in numbers...
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Reply #95 - May 15th, 2025 at 4:25pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on May 15th, 2025 at 1:03pm:
Ant Middleton is running for Mayor of London.... this'll be good...


Will be interesting seeing as only 37% of inhabitants of London identify as white British - English, Scots, Irish and Welsh. 

That contrasts with 2001 when 71% identified as white British. 

Imagine what it will be like in another 20 years!    Angry
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Reply #96 - May 21st, 2025 at 11:13am
 
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Reply #97 - May 21st, 2025 at 4:09pm
 
Aquarius wrote on May 15th, 2025 at 4:25pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on May 15th, 2025 at 1:03pm:
Ant Middleton is running for Mayor of London.... this'll be good...


Will be interesting seeing as only 37% of inhabitants of London identify as white British - English, Scots, Irish and Welsh. 

That contrasts with 2001 when 71% identified as white British. 

Imagine what it will be like in another 20 years!    Angry



The state treats expressions of majority nationalism as an existential threat in a way it doesn’t any other worldview, including Irish republicanism or even Islamism, and this explains the extraordinarily harsh way it polices online discourse on the Right. Would I have the deep-seated fairness to care about free speech if it was mainly leftists being punished? I’d like to think so, but I couldn’t be sure. True liberalism goes against our instincts, and requires a ruling class who consciously cultivate such a generous spirit.

The obviously political nature of the sentencing was reiterated at the appeal, where the prosecution lawyer interrogated the childminder about her political views, opening with the words ‘Mrs Connolly, I have some questions about something you posted on social media platform X’.

‘Do you accept that you hold strong views on immigration?’ he asked: ‘You believe this country is being invaded by immigrants.’ It’s unchecked and it’s a national security issue, she replied. ‘Is it fair to say you do not want immigrants in this country? Do you feel threatened by immigrants? You do want mass deportations?’ All of these framings she denied, and argued her case coherently.

The court was reminded of other tweets brought up at the trial to show her views, where ‘further racist remarks’ were noted. She had been accused of having a ‘racist mindset’ and ‘extended hatred of immigrants’, and these tweets gave ‘further insight into her racist views’. Perhaps she holds racist views, or perhaps she’s the kindest British person an African immigrant could meet; perhaps both are true, and people are complex. Either way, being in possession of racist views is not a crime.

Belief in a ‘two-tier’ justice has stuck since last summer, and with good reason. While Connolly was denied bail, Labour councillor Ricky Jones, who was filmed telling a real-life crowd that ‘We need to cut their throats and get rid of them’, is still a free man, on bail awaiting trial. Many have noted the extraordinary sentences handed out for online speech by judges who show leniency elsewhere, but then judges are constrained by sentencing guidelines and the laws passed by politicians.

It is true, however, that the arrest, trial and sentencing of Connolly was carried out in a feverish atmosphere. As Laurie Wastell wrote in the Spectator, three days into the disorder ‘the Prime Minister told the country that the unrest we were seeing was the work of “gang[s] of thugs” who had travelled to “a community that is not their own” to smash it up.’ Stating that the violence was ‘clearly whipped up online’, Starmer was ‘whipping up the police, Crown Prosecution Service and courts to hysteria, demanding convictions. And none of it was true.’

As her extraordinary sentence was handed down, Connolly’s judge had declared that ‘It is a strength of our society that it is both diverse and inclusive. There is always a very small minority of people who will seek an excuse to use violence and disorder causing injury, damage, loss and fear to wholly innocent members of the public and sentences for those who incite racial hatred and disharmony in our society are intended to both punish and deter ‘

That is certainly true, although one might wonder if a society can be strengthened by being diverse and inclusive if that entails incredibly draconian punishments to deter ‘hatred and disharmony’. That rather sounds like a weakness – it certainly is to the British citizens who find themselves sent to prison for words written in anger.



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https://www.edwest.co.uk/p/the-troubling-case-of-lucy-connolly
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Reply #98 - Jun 16th, 2025 at 10:48am
 

Civil War Comes to the West, Part II: Strategic Realities
David Betz - King’s College London, Department of War Studies


This is the second of two articles on the dawning of an uncomfortable new strategic reality for the West, which is that the primary threat to its security and well-being today is not external but internal—specifically, civil war.[i] In the first essay, I explained the reasons that this situation has arisen: a combination of culturally fractured societies, economic stagnation, elite overreach and a collapse of public confidence in the ability of normal politics to solve problems, and ultimately the realisation by anti-status quo groups of plausible strategies of attack based on systems disruption of vulnerable critical infrastructure. In this article I expound on the likely shape that civil war will take and the strategies that might be employed to minimise and mitigate the damage that will entail.

At the time of writing the countries that are most likely to experience the outbreak of violent civil conflict first are Britain and France—both of which have already experienced what may be described as precursor or exemplary incidents of the kind discussed further below. The conditions are similar, however, throughout Western Europe as well as, for slightly different reasons, the United States;[ii] moreover, it must be assumed that if civil war breaks out in one place it is likely to spread elsewhere.[iii]
https://www.militarystrategymagazine.com/article/civil-war-comes-to-the-west-par...
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Reply #99 - Jul 29th, 2025 at 1:44pm
 
The bad news is that, as Betz says, in Britain and much of Europe civil war is now inevitable.

The good news is that the class that consciously chose to destroy their "eminently civilised societies" will lose.





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Reply #100 - Jul 29th, 2025 at 2:28pm
 
Western nations have never been further from civil war than they are now. This is just communist propaganda, like the CCP telling it's citizens to feel sorry for the poor starving Americans.
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Reply #101 - Jul 30th, 2025 at 11:18am
 
Today marks the first anniversary of the slaughter at Southport - at one of those summer-resort activities you sign your kids up for, with nary a thought. In this case, it was a Taylor Swift dance-class, from which three little girls never came home: Alice da Silva Aguiar, nine years old; Elsie Dot Stancombe, seven; and Bebe King six. As Lucy Connolly could tell us if she weren't rotting in Starmer's Lubyanka, nothing is more traumatising than the death of a child. So we remember Alice, Elsie and Bebe even as Britain's "mainstream" media has chosen mostly to memory-hole them, their short lives being unhelpful to the official Ofcom-enforced narrative.

Yet, as Laura Perrins reminds us, in Southport there were many other victims, who will live with their wounds till the day they die:

One girl who a Police Officer thought was dead when he arrived at the scene, was stabbed 30 times.

At the time, I quoted this Tweeter's summation of the soi-disant United Kingdom:
#UK the British police wasted hours interrogating #TommyRobinson under the “terror act” while someone actually planned a terror attack and was able to carry it out ‼️🙄
#Southport
https://x.com/Lillyin_London/status/1817904462754627846

Terrorism? Oh, don't be such a drama queen. As the Merseyside Constabulary and their BBC stenographers assured us within moments, there was as usual no terrorism to see here:

The attack was not terror-related, police said.

Oh, thank goodness for that. Three months later, Starmer's police state graciously permitted the public to learn very belatedly that at the alleged perpetrator's home they had found enough ricin to kill thousands of people, as well as a copy of something bearing the title The Al-Qaeda Training Manual.

No doubt, under Ofcom impartiality guidance, that isn't "terror-related", either. But, alas for the official narrative, at Merseyside Constabulary the duplicitous Chief Constable, Serena Kennedy, was forced to add a couple of charges under "Section 58 of the Terrorism Act 2000".

But don't worry: as I'm sure the BBC would tell us, the Terrorism Act 2000 isn't terrorism-related either.

Today is the first anniversary of the Southport carnage - July 29th 2024. When do you think the Merseyside plods found the ricin and the al-Qaeda manual? That afternoon? Late afternoon/early evening? The following morning? July 31st tops?

Yet they did not see fit to inform the public until October 31st. Notwithstanding Sir Robert Peel's founding principle that "the police are the public and the public are the police", for three months the police knew that the Southport killer was an industrial-scale ricin-manufacturing jihadist who attends mosque in prison, while the public was expected to stick to the official bollocks that he's a Welsh Christian choir-boy - or else Two-Tier Kier would fast-track you to gaol and drive you to suicide, as he did to Peter Lynch, whose blood is all over Starmer's thong, or whatever he wears when he's relaxing with his Ukrainian twinks.

Starmer lied. Serena Kennedy lied. To the court eunuchs of the media, Rudakubana is, laughably, "the Amazon killer". Nothing any Tweeter or Facebooker said about the motivations or origins of the mass murderer was as "misleading" as the official narrative. Unlike Sir Keir, his contemptible constabulary and his eunuch media, the killer is at least admirably honest:

It's a good thing those children are dead... I am so glad... I am so happy.

Lots of things have gotten worse in Britain this last year, not least for what remains of the nation's freedom of speech. The Online Safety Act came into force only on Friday, yet on its very first day it was being used to block video of English mums protesting sex-predators at migrant hotels. The British police are marking the first anniversary of Southport by seeking yet another investigation into Tommy Robinson. I sincerely hope the only reason Mr Robinson was at St Pancras was to board the next Eurostar and get the hell outta there.

And yet twelve months on, unlike the crackdowns after J6 and the Canadian truckers, the state did not succeed in cowing the masses. His Majesty and his evil prime minister may be willing to sacrifice your daughters to stabbers and sex-fiends, but signifcant numbers of the British people are not willing to go along with it. And resistance works: last week's protests in Epping have resulted in both the council and the Tory leader calling for the closure of the "migrant hotel"; last month's protests in Ballymena have resulted in two-thirds of the rapey community (in this case, the Roma) abandoning the town. Two-Tier can do his worst, but pushing back works.
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Reply #102 - Aug 17th, 2025 at 3:14pm
 
Retired British Army Colonel Richard Kemp has said the primary risk the UK faces is from an
alliance “of the hard left and Islamist extremists”
and that he fears civil war because politicians are too myopic to take action.

Colonel Richard Kemp, a high-profile Infantry officer who fought counter insurgency on home ground in Northern Ireland in the 1980s, served in the Gulf war and Bosnia, commanded an Afghanistan operation, and who had political-facing senior roles in Westminster including the powerful Joint Intelligence Committee and the Cabinet Office crisis centre COBRA, has expressed concern about unrest and even civil war potentially breaking out in Britain.

The Colonel’s comments in many regards echo those by top academic David Betz, professor of war in the modern world at King’s College London’s prestigious War Studies department, who says his research has led him to believe the classic preconditions for civil war are already present in many Western nations, and particularly the UK.

Yet Kemp’s interviewer, podcaster Conor Tomlinson, related after it was taped at the MCC Feszt conference in Hungary earlier this month that Colonel Kemp had never heard of Professor Betz or his predictions, and had arrived at his views independently, which he suggested “makes his well-informed warnings all the more alarming”.





The British government said that it is urgently important to restore the “social fabric” of the country amid warnings that anti-mass migration sentiment could see another summer of riots break out in the country.

Downing Street said that Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer held a cabinet meeting on Tuesday in the lead-up to the one-year anniversary of the Southport attack, in which a second-generation African migrant teen stabbed three young girls to death and left ten others injured.

Anger over the horrific attack and the government’s open borders agenda saw thousands take to the streets in protests and riots from both native British communities and mostly-Muslim ethnic minority groups.

In addition to the billions being spent to house the more than 32,000 migrants, a major concern among locals has been the danger posed to their communities by the young, foreign men being placed within their midst. This concern is likely warranted, with a recent report examining just 70 of the hotels in use, migrants have been accused of committing over 700 crimes during the past three years, including alleged rapes and sexual assaults.

This was at the heart of the recent protests and violence witnessed in the Essex town of Epping, with enraged locals taking to the streets and sometimes clashing with police after a hotel migrant from Ethiopia was charged with sexually assaulting a 14-year-old local girl just days after entering the country illegally.


“I don’t think anybody in London even understands just how close we are to civil disobedience on a vast scale in this country”, Nigel Farage said on Monday as he responded to weeks of protests — sometimes violent — in the Essex town of Epping
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Reply #103 - Aug 18th, 2025 at 12:35am
 
freediver wrote on Jul 29th, 2025 at 2:28pm:
Western nations have never been further from civil war than they are now. This is just communist propaganda, like the CCP telling it's citizens to feel sorry for the poor starving Americans.



Oh, freed - get out more... the only reason Australia isn't in civil war is because we are - at the one time - both a timid lot in many ways when it comes to 'authority' (look at how Albo and his cohorts romp over us all), and a fair-minded lot who basically need to be punched in the snout to respond.

Why do you think all the 'land deals' take place behind closed doors and attack minority groups of Australians?  why do you think the Abos behave outside the law as a matter of 'right'?  Because they are at war with us while we think it's just a parlour game ands she'll be right as long as we don;t cross the 'authorities' and try to rectify anything ourselves - convict colonies and serfs are like that ... and every time one of them receives 'two tier justice' in any way or many ways - our Rights are being eroded and we are losing our country while we sleep.

You're better than that....
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Reply #104 - Aug 21st, 2025 at 10:27am
 
Good to see British people standing up to their repressive government. This in London a few days ago when told to disperse under section 14 of the Public Order Act.  Smiley

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