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Reply #75 - Aug 13^th, 2024 at 1:55pm

aquascoot wrote on Aug 13^th, 2024 at 1:43pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 13^th, 2024 at 8:07am:

The Harris-Walz team has shifted from the heavy-duty burden of 'saving democracy' to 'Freedom and Joy'.

To cap it off, the Harris-Walz visual dynamic is one of 'coach and his black woman athlete protege' - a powerful visual in the American psyche.

Walz is now greeted with chants of 'COACH!' - a deeply admired honorific in the American psyche second only to 'CHAMP!' which, by implication, is being bestowed on Harris herself.

Their hope-laden message of 'freedom and joy' is inspiring and reinspiring Americans of all generations, but most particularly with Gen-Z and late Millennials who are turning up to events in their tens of thousands -which increasingly have the atmosphere more of rock co0ncerts than political rallies.

Senior Republican politicians, including senators, governors and mayors, sensing the mood of the people, are turning on their own party and urging traditional Republicans to cast a Harris-Walz vote and help destroy what remains of the now hopelessly corrupted Republican Party under Trump such that old-school Republicans can, over at least the next 4 years, rebuild it from the ashes of the old.

got a link for that

not saying it isnt true but that could be true or total fake news

try googling 'Republicans for Harris'. The hits get higher by the day.

2024 will likely not only be a landslide victory for Harris-Walz but herald the end of the current Republican Party, as FDR's and Truman's Democrat administrations did nearly 100 years ago - ultimately recovering only by Barry Goldwater's conservatism of the 60s.

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Re: American Freedom
Reply #76 - Aug 13^th, 2024 at 1:56pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 13^th, 2024 at 1:52pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 13^th, 2024 at 1:46pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 13^th, 2024 at 1:43pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 13^th, 2024 at 1:40pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 13^th, 2024 at 1:39pm:

American freedom?

When?

Fat chance?

Asians would not understand.

America won't allow freedom for Asians?

Asians don't allow freedom for Asians.

Theirs are traditionally collective societies ruled by autocrats.

Imposed by CIA coups?

Mohammad Reza Pahlavi?
Malcolm Fraser?

Imposed by thousands of years of collective societies ruled by autocrats.

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Reply #77 - Aug 13^th, 2024 at 2:00pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 13^th, 2024 at 1:56pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 13^th, 2024 at 1:52pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 13^th, 2024 at 1:46pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 13^th, 2024 at 1:43pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 13^th, 2024 at 1:40pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 13^th, 2024 at 1:39pm:

American freedom?

When?

Fat chance?

Asians would not understand.

America won't allow freedom for Asians?

Asians don't allow freedom for Asians.

Theirs are traditionally collective societies ruled by autocrats.

Imposed by CIA coups?

Mohammad Reza Pahlavi?
Malcolm Fraser?

Imposed by thousands of years of collective societies ruled by autocrats.

CIA is thousands of years old?

MeisterEckhart would benefit from treatment by Bobby's Phrenologist.

Please don't thank me. Effusive fawning and obeisance of disciples, mendicants, and foot-kissers embarrass me.

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Re: American Freedom
Reply #78 - Aug 13^th, 2024 at 2:02pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 13^th, 2024 at 2:00pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 13^th, 2024 at 1:56pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 13^th, 2024 at 1:52pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 13^th, 2024 at 1:46pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 13^th, 2024 at 1:43pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 13^th, 2024 at 1:40pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 13^th, 2024 at 1:39pm:

American freedom?

When?

Fat chance?

Asians would not understand.

America won't allow freedom for Asians?

Asians don't allow freedom for Asians.

Theirs are traditionally collective societies ruled by autocrats.

Imposed by CIA coups?

Mohammad Reza Pahlavi?
Malcolm Fraser?

Imposed by thousands of years of collective societies ruled by autocrats.

CIA is thousands of years old?

MeisterEckhart would benefit from treatment by Bobby's Phrenologist.

Asian collective societies ruled by autocrats are thousands of years old.

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Re: American Freedom
Reply #79 - Aug 13^th, 2024 at 2:16pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 13^th, 2024 at 2:02pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 13^th, 2024 at 2:00pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 13^th, 2024 at 1:56pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 13^th, 2024 at 1:52pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 13^th, 2024 at 1:46pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 13^th, 2024 at 1:43pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 13^th, 2024 at 1:40pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 13^th, 2024 at 1:39pm:

American freedom?

When?

Fat chance?

Asians would not understand.

America won't allow freedom for Asians?

Asians don't allow freedom for Asians.

Theirs are traditionally collective societies ruled by autocrats.

Imposed by CIA coups?

Mohammad Reza Pahlavi?
Malcolm Fraser?

Imposed by thousands of years of collective societies ruled by autocrats.

CIA is thousands of years old?

MeisterEckhart would benefit from treatment by Bobby's Phrenologist.

Asian collective societies ruled by autocrats are thousands of years old.

No they are not.

India and China cover >50% of Asian population. Many Asian countries ar democracies.

Please don't thank me. Effusive fawning and obeisance of disciples, mendicants, and foot-kissers embarrass me.

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Re: American Freedom
Reply #80 - Aug 13^th, 2024 at 2:26pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 13^th, 2024 at 2:16pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 13^th, 2024 at 2:02pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 13^th, 2024 at 2:00pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 13^th, 2024 at 1:56pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 13^th, 2024 at 1:52pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 13^th, 2024 at 1:46pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 13^th, 2024 at 1:43pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 13^th, 2024 at 1:40pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 13^th, 2024 at 1:39pm:

American freedom?

When?

Fat chance?

Asians would not understand.

America won't allow freedom for Asians?

Asians don't allow freedom for Asians.

Theirs are traditionally collective societies ruled by autocrats.

Imposed by CIA coups?

Mohammad Reza Pahlavi?
Malcolm Fraser?

Imposed by thousands of years of collective societies ruled by autocrats.

CIA is thousands of years old?

MeisterEckhart would benefit from treatment by Bobby's Phrenologist.

Asian collective societies ruled by autocrats are thousands of years old.

No they are not.

India and China cover >50% of Asian population. Many Asian countries ar democracies.

All only within the last 80 years or so, some only within the last 30-40 - and most of them precarious democracies at best.

Modi is moving India towards a nationalist-religious authoritarian state.

Singapore has always been democracy's bastard child living in the basement.

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Re: American Freedom
Reply #81 - Aug 14^th, 2024 at 12:34pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 13^th, 2024 at 1:36pm:

Another theme of the Harris-Walz ticket's 'freedom and joy' is its apparent carrying forward of Obama's 'hope and change' torch.

These united aspirations, combined with the ticket's ethnicity and gender dynamics, are evoking the idealistic spirit of the '60s civil rights movement and Johnson's 'Great Society'.

Americans, being fundamentally optimistic idealists - at least in terms of collective national aspirations - appear to see Harris-Walz as a furtherance of the most fundamental American ideals - 'opportunity, liberty and justice for all'.

Yet close to 50% of them are passionate MAGA Trump supporters.

They don't believe in your postulated 'fundamental American ideals'?

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Reply #82 - Aug 14^th, 2024 at 6:00pm

One of the misunderstandings of The US two-party system is that it is, well... a two-party system.

It is, in fact, broad coalitions of left-leaning/right-leaning groups that align themselves roughly between being liberal (Democrat) and conservative (Republican) during an election cycle.

The MAGA movement is only one group of the conservative groups whose chief defining characteristic is loyalty to Donald Trump - his so-called 'base'. They do not represent 100% of Republican voters.

During the 30s, FDR inspired many black voters to switch from Republican-leaning to Democrat-leaning.

Barry Goldwater did the reverse among white voters in the southern US states in the 60s.

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Reply #83 - Aug 15^th, 2024 at 12:12pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 14^th, 2024 at 6:00pm:

One of the misunderstandings of The US two-party system is that it is, well... a two-party system.

It is, in fact, broad coalitions of left-leaning/right-leaning groups that align themselves roughly between being liberal (Democrat) and conservative (Republican) during an election cycle.

You said: "Americans, being fundamentally optimistic idealists - at least in terms of collective national aspirations -...."

Latest polls shows the race between the total of left-leaning groups (whether socialist or not), and the total of right-leaning groups (whether MAGA or not) to be neck and neck, with the Harris ticket slightly ahead of Trump.

You claimed ALL Americans are "fundamentally optimistic", yet they are also divided c.50-50, which means they must also be fundamentally confused....

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Reply #84 - Aug 15^th, 2024 at 3:30pm

It seems some people conflate American optimistic idealism with leftist progressivism.

Reagan, a dyed-in-the-wool conservative, used the campaign slogan 'Morning in America' and... 'Let's Make America Great Again'.

In 2004 George W Bush's was 'Yes America Can'.

In 2016, Trump channelled Reagan with MAGA.

On the Democratic side, there was Obama with 'Yes We Can' and 'Hope and Change'.

In 2024 Harris is using 'Freedom and Joy' and, 'We're not going back' - a swipe at MAGA nostalgia for 1950s America, but referring directly to the chaos and low optimism of the Trump years.

The American sense of optimistic idealism is a latter-day echo of Virgil's quote, “Possunt quia posse videntur” - "They can because they think they can", but neither side of American politics has a mortgage on the sentiment. It is fundamental to the American psyche.

Whichever side triggers that sensibility the most will win a US election in a landslide (mindful, of course, of Lichtman's keys).

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Reply #85 - Aug 15^th, 2024 at 6:43pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 15^th, 2024 at 3:30pm:

It seems some people conflate American optimistic idealism with leftist progressivism.

No, your proposition re American optimism is mere political rhetoric about "freedom" - the result of your own delusions about "freedom".

Quote:

Reagan, a dyed-in-the-wool conservative, used the campaign slogan 'Morning in America' and... 'Let's Make America Great Again'.

In 2004 George W Bush's was 'Yes America Can'.

In 2016, Trump channelled Reagan with MAGA.

On the Democratic side, there was Obama with 'Yes We Can' and 'Hope and Change'.

In 2024 Harris is using 'Freedom and Joy' and, 'We're not going back' - a swipe at MAGA nostalgia for 1950s America, but referring directly to the chaos and low optimism of the Trump years.

The American sense of optimistic idealism is a latter-day echo of Virgil's quote, “Possunt quia posse videntur” - "They can because they think they can", but neither side of American politics has a mortgage on the sentiment. It is fundamental to the American psyche.

Whichever side triggers that sensibility the most will win a US election in a landslide (mindful, of course, of Lichtman's keys).

"The American sense of optimistic idealism"...is mere delusion, which is why they insist on the "right" to bear arms for self-defence against their own countrymen...

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Reply #86 - Aug 16^th, 2024 at 6:10am

The American predisposition towards optimistic idealism is often hair-trigger evocable, such that even three-word optimistic campaign slogans can ignite a national movement.

To outsiders, those slogans are simplistic and ridiculous, and yet...

No people as disparate in ethnicity, circumstance, history and outlook can be as easily and sustainably united by a shared sense of empowered self-agency.

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Reply #87 - Aug 17^th, 2024 at 6:56am

Nothing confirms and affirms the societal value of American optimistic idealism more than how the concept captivates and fascinates so many other cultures, to the point where very divergent cultures feel compelled to imitate, or at least mimic, the sense of vitality it evokes by adopting or appearing to adopt the same sensibility.

Its ideology is very clearly recognisable and understandable in Anglospheric, particularly Australian, cultures – given the shared cultural/societal values - but most laughable is when it is mimicked by the likes of Asian cultures under totalitarian rule.

The viewing of Chinese state media propaganda pieces extolling the virtues and sophistication of Chinese modern culture betray the obvious and risible attempts to portray contemporary Chinese society as free, open and optimistic… y’know… ‘just like America… with Chinese characteristics’.

Of course, any independent media creators who reveal the dark side of Chinese totalitarianism quickly find themselves chased out of the country at best… At worst: arrested, imprisoned and/or disappeared.

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Reply #88 - Aug 19^th, 2024 at 12:50pm

Well, 'Freedom and Joy' is the 'slogan du jour'.

You're hearing it repeated everywhere, from podcasters to mainstream media, it's all about the 'joy' the Harris campaign has brought to US politics, 'in just 4 short weeks'.

The 'freedom' component of the slogan is currently targeted at 'the freedom to make your own health choices without government interference'.

With its second theme of 'we're not going back', the Haris campaign is beginning to echo one of Reagan's 1984 campaign slogans - “It’s Morning Again in America” with its ending tag line 'Why would we want to return to where we were, less than four short years ago?'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUMqic2IcWA

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Reply #89 - Aug 19^th, 2024 at 9:21pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 16^th, 2024 at 6:10am:

The American predisposition towards optimistic idealism is often hair-trigger evocable, such that even three-word optimistic campaign slogans can ignite a national movement.

To outsiders, those slogans are simplistic and ridiculous, and yet...

No people as disparate in ethnicity, circumstance, history and outlook can be as easily and sustainably united by a shared sense of empowered self-agency.

The main American predisposition is towards violence in order to get whatever you want.
The extrinsic culture has driven america down in living standards.
The selfish, immature, artificial superficial desires of america is rapidly destroying a country that had some of the worlds best resources.

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