Forum

 
  Back to OzPolitic.com   Welcome, Guest. Please Login or Register
  Forum Home Album HelpSearch Recent Rules LoginRegister  
 

Pages: 1 ... 3 4 5 6 7 
Send Topic Print
American Freedom (Read 2614 times)
chimera
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 12961
Armidale
Gender: male
Re: American Freedom
Reply #60 - Aug 1st, 2024 at 6:49pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 31st, 2024 at 4:39pm:
The US could easily have remained out of the war but supplied Britain, France and Russia with arms to ensure Germany would be forced to return to its pre-war borders.

'Neither the US nor NATO has intervened in the Ukraine war nor has any European nation.'

So the US was in WWI by supplying materiel but not in Ukraine war where it is supplying materiel.

If US materiel forces Germany back, why does that prevent US and France demanding reparations?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Frank
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 49951
Gender: male
Re: American Freedom
Reply #61 - Aug 2nd, 2024 at 4:39pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 29th, 2024 at 10:47pm:
Despite the American obsession with freedom, the US ranks a lowly 15th on the 2024 world freedom index.

ChatGPT reports that the reasons for the relatively low ranking is due to:

1. Political polarization and partisanship, which can undermine democratic processes.

2. Press freedom concerns, including threats and hostility toward journalists.

3. Civil liberties issues, such as privacy concerns related to surveillance and law enforcement practices.

4. Disparities in criminal justice, including systemic racism and mass incarceration.

5. Voting rights issues, including voter suppression and gerrymandering.

6. Economic inequality, which can affect access to opportunities and influence in the political system.

Cheesy Cheesy


Lowly 15 - out of 210?

ChatGPT "reports", eh??  Shocked Shocked

Back to top
 

Estragon: I can’t go on like this.
Vladimir: That’s what you think.
 
IP Logged
 
thegreatdivide
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics<br
/>

Posts: 13721
Gender: male
Re: American Freedom
Reply #62 - Aug 3rd, 2024 at 12:34pm
 
"American freedom", with the highest prison population in the world.

??

(google):

With nearly two million people behind bars at any given time, the United States has the highest incarceration rate** of any country in the world. We spend about $182 billion every year — not to mention the significant social cost — to lock up nearly 1% of our adult population.

** the US rate/100,000 is actually a bit lower than  El Salvadore and Rwanda, all 3 countries are >500 per 100,000. 
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
MeisterEckhart
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 14279
Gender: male
Re: American Freedom
Reply #63 - Aug 3rd, 2024 at 1:10pm
 
The concept of freedom pervades every aspect of American public life.

From their pledge of allegiance, recited by schoolchildren from their earliest age to nearly every national and state political speech, from their songs, and national myths, to their core sense of self.

They are almost born with the notion that the US is the freest nation not only currently anywhere in the world but the freest nation that has ever existed.

When questioned about this notion they commonly refer to the 2nd amendment, comparing their constitutional right under that amendment with all other nations, none of which grant a similar right.

Unsurprisingly. it comes as a shock to many of them that the World Freedom Index rates them as low as 15th.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
thegreatdivide
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics<br
/>

Posts: 13721
Gender: male
Re: American Freedom
Reply #64 - Aug 3rd, 2024 at 4:27pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 3rd, 2024 at 1:10pm:
The concept of freedom pervades every aspect of American public life.

From their pledge of allegiance, recited by schoolchildren from their earliest age to nearly every national and state political speech, from their songs, and national myths, to their core sense of self.

They are almost born with the notion that the US is the freest nation not only currently anywhere in the world but the freest nation that has ever existed.

When questioned about this notion they commonly refer to the 2nd amendment, comparing their constitutional right under that amendment with all other nations, none of which grant a similar right.

Unsurprisingly. it comes as a shock to many of them that the World Freedom Index rates them as low as 15th.


The real problem is "they" - ie the American 'public' - fail to see the class divisions  tearing the community apart,  which the "freedom" narrative ignores.

(microsoft news)

TV icon declares Democrats have 'kind of lost' the working class vote
©YouTube

Mastromonaco, who worked for Obama from 2011 to 2014, defended the use of the label "wierd" (used by Harris to describe Trump and Vance), while Couric (a devout Liberal) , visibly unamused, suggested Democrats had more pressing matters at hand than pandering to social media users and Gen Z.

'You can think their behavior and their rhetoric is weird,' Couric said, 'but you can also do a better job of reaching out to disaffected voters who are non-college educated White people, in particular who feel left out.' Back in April, Couric, 67, appeared on another podcast where she spoke about the election, this with fellow liberal Bill Maher. 'The socio-economic disparities...and class resentment...and anti-intellectualism and elitism is what is driving many of these anti-establishment [people] — which are Trump voters (from the working class)' she said at the time. 'I mean globalization and the transition from an industrial to a technological society — I don't know if you've ever been jealous of someone else or resentful — it is such a corroding and bitter, almost bile feeling'


......

Reminds me of Trump's statement in 2016 when he said "You are living in poverty, your neighborhoods are like war zones...." ( referring to inner-city black ghettos); Hillary merely said "The Dems are the party of the underdog".

Both Michael Moore and  I knew Trump would win after that, because the mainstream neiloberal Dems - like the mainstream neoliberal Repugs - were indeed as useless as an ashtray on a motorbike, as far as dealing with the 1st world rust-belt issues which had destroyed well-paying working-class jobs, were concerned. 
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
MeisterEckhart
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 14279
Gender: male
Re: American Freedom
Reply #65 - Aug 13th, 2024 at 8:07am
 
The Harris-Walz team has shifted from the heavy-duty burden of  'saving democracy' to 'Freedom and Joy'.

To cap it off, the Harris-Walz visual dynamic is one of 'coach and his black woman athlete protege' - a powerful visual in the American psyche.

Walz is now greeted with chants of 'COACH!' - a deeply admired honorific in the American psyche second only to 'CHAMP!' which, by implication, is being bestowed on Harris herself.

Their hope-laden message of 'freedom and joy' is inspiring and reinspiring Americans of all generations, but most particularly with Gen-Z and late Millennials who are turning up to events in their tens of thousands -which increasingly have the atmosphere more of rock co0ncerts than political rallies.

Senior Republican politicians, including senators, governors and mayors, sensing the mood of the people, are turning on their own party and urging traditional Republicans to cast a Harris-Walz vote and help destroy what remains of the now hopelessly corrupted Republican Party under Trump such that old-school Republicans can, over at least the next 4 years, rebuild it from the ashes of the old.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
thegreatdivide
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics<br
/>

Posts: 13721
Gender: male
Re: American Freedom
Reply #66 - Aug 13th, 2024 at 11:46am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 13th, 2024 at 8:07am:
The Harris-Walz team has shifted from the heavy-duty burden of  'saving democracy' to 'Freedom and Joy'.

To cap it off, the Harris-Walz visual dynamic is one of 'coach and his black woman athlete protege' - a powerful visual in the American psyche.

Walz is now greeted with chants of 'COACH!' - a deeply admired honorific in the American psyche second only to 'CHAMP!' which, by implication, is being bestowed on Harris herself.

Their hope-laden message of 'freedom and joy' is inspiring and reinspiring Americans of all generations, but most particularly with who are turning up to events in their tens of thousands -which increasingly have the atmosphere more of rock co0ncerts than political rallies.

Senior Republican politicians, including senators, governors and mayors, sensing the mood of the people, are turning on their own party and urging traditional Republicans to cast a Harris-Walz vote and help destroy what remains of the now hopelessly corrupted Republican Party under Trump such that old-school Republicans can, over at least the next 4 years, rebuild it from the ashes of the old.


Recapturing some of the young Left's enthusiasm for Bernie Sanders in 2016, when the mainstream Dems put forward Hillary instead.




Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
MeisterEckhart
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 14279
Gender: male
Re: American Freedom
Reply #67 - Aug 13th, 2024 at 1:36pm
 
Another theme of the Harris-Walz ticket's 'freedom and joy' is its apparent carrying forward of Obama's 'hope and change' torch.

These united aspirations, combined with the ticket's ethnicity and gender dynamics, are evoking the idealistic spirit of the '60s civil rights movement and Johnson's 'Great Society'.

Americans, being fundamentally optimistic idealists - at least in terms of collective national aspirations - appear to see Harris-Walz as a furtherance of the most fundamental American ideals - 'opportunity, liberty and justice for all'.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Laugh till you cry
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 16619
In your happy place
Gender: male
Re: American Freedom
Reply #68 - Aug 13th, 2024 at 1:39pm
 
American freedom?

When?

Fat chance?
Back to top
 

Please don't thank me. Effusive fawning and obeisance of disciples, mendicants, and foot-kissers embarrass me.
 
IP Logged
 
MeisterEckhart
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 14279
Gender: male
Re: American Freedom
Reply #69 - Aug 13th, 2024 at 1:40pm
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 13th, 2024 at 1:39pm:
American freedom?

When?

Fat chance?

Asians would not understand.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
aquascoot
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 35744
Gender: male
Re: American Freedom
Reply #70 - Aug 13th, 2024 at 1:43pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 13th, 2024 at 8:07am:
The Harris-Walz team has shifted from the heavy-duty burden of  'saving democracy' to 'Freedom and Joy'.

To cap it off, the Harris-Walz visual dynamic is one of 'coach and his black woman athlete protege' - a powerful visual in the American psyche.

Walz is now greeted with chants of 'COACH!' - a deeply admired honorific in the American psyche second only to 'CHAMP!' which, by implication, is being bestowed on Harris herself.

Their hope-laden message of 'freedom and joy' is inspiring and reinspiring Americans of all generations, but most particularly with Gen-Z and late Millennials who are turning up to events in their tens of thousands -which increasingly have the atmosphere more of rock co0ncerts than political rallies.

Senior Republican politicians, including senators, governors and mayors, sensing the mood of the people, are turning on their own party and urging traditional Republicans to cast a Harris-Walz vote and help destroy what remains of the now hopelessly corrupted Republican Party under Trump such that old-school Republicans can, over at least the next 4 years, rebuild it from the ashes of the old.


got a link for that

not saying it isnt true but that could be true or total fake news
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Laugh till you cry
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 16619
In your happy place
Gender: male
Re: American Freedom
Reply #71 - Aug 13th, 2024 at 1:43pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 13th, 2024 at 1:40pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 13th, 2024 at 1:39pm:
American freedom?

When?

Fat chance?


Asians would not understand.


America won't allow freedom for Asians?
Back to top
 

Please don't thank me. Effusive fawning and obeisance of disciples, mendicants, and foot-kissers embarrass me.
 
IP Logged
 
MeisterEckhart
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 14279
Gender: male
Re: American Freedom
Reply #72 - Aug 13th, 2024 at 1:46pm
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 13th, 2024 at 1:43pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 13th, 2024 at 1:40pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 13th, 2024 at 1:39pm:
American freedom?

When?

Fat chance?


Asians would not understand.


America won't allow freedom for Asians?

Asians don't allow freedom for Asians.

Theirs are traditionally collective societies ruled by autocrats.

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
aquascoot
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 35744
Gender: male
Re: American Freedom
Reply #73 - Aug 13th, 2024 at 1:47pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 13th, 2024 at 1:40pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 13th, 2024 at 1:39pm:
American freedom?

When?

Fat chance?

Asians would not understand.



chinese are free to serve chinese interests as defined by Xi

Jack ma  was free to be a billionaire but when he questioned banking regulations, he had a 1 yr rehab imposed on him

it , does, however , make people mindful of bigger goals


the west , by giving people (everyone) a good standard of living , has created  a system where business has to market to consumers and pander to them

and people who are pandered to, will always regress to being entitled little bitches
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Laugh till you cry
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 16619
In your happy place
Gender: male
Re: American Freedom
Reply #74 - Aug 13th, 2024 at 1:52pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 13th, 2024 at 1:46pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 13th, 2024 at 1:43pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 13th, 2024 at 1:40pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 13th, 2024 at 1:39pm:
American freedom?

When?

Fat chance?


Asians would not understand.


America won't allow freedom for Asians?

Asians don't allow freedom for Asians.

Theirs are traditionally collective societies ruled by autocrats.



Imposed by CIA coups?

Mohammad Reza Pahlavi?
Malcolm Fraser?
Back to top
 

Please don't thank me. Effusive fawning and obeisance of disciples, mendicants, and foot-kissers embarrass me.
 
IP Logged
 
Pages: 1 ... 3 4 5 6 7 
Send Topic Print