chimera wrote on Jul 18^th, 2024 at 4:40pm:

Joe and Jill
Went up Capitol Hill
To call old Trump a rorter
Jill was spent,
And Joe's knees bent,
And his pants were brown with blorter ....

I'm waiting on history to support my views .... won't be long now - as mothra said once (foolishly about boomers - what a child) ... tick, tock.... tick, tock ... tick, tock... international order is steadily coming apart at an accelerating rate.... and half of the problem is the idiots who support all the wrong things these days.... DUH ....

Respect your elders, mothra said - but only if they're Black.  I know a few Aboriginal elders - some good ones, too ... and around here they do teach the young ones some good values... the kids are accepted at schools and such and have no trouble getting jobs ... we treat them same as anyone else... and you know what?  Too many of them still go off the rails and end up in prison... some tried to 'burn the place down' during the Summer of Bushfires and ended up rounded up slowly but surely ... I get the news from my hair cutter who is half Aboriginal.... he knows it all and sees a lot from his business front window.... points out the 'trade' of every bad-ass who goes past... that guy steals push bikes... that one earns his crust getting the girls preggers so they can get on single mother's ... splits the baby money ...

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jul 18^th, 2024 at 4:38pm:


An age-care worker's  (Crooks)  potential? What do you have in mind? But certainly the results of  Elser succeeding in taking out Hitler are unfathomable.

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Hey, I said the bosses are as much bastards as criminal unionists.

As for your mentally incompetent equating the people with individuals within the people, that's the source of of your 'individual sovereignty'  delusion. 

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Correct - again (you manage it now and again...); you, me, chimera and everyone else with our sometimes self-interest, sometimes kindness, and much more.

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Interesting theory: the "general trend" of most individuals is "upward". 

I won't disagree, except to note life is so chaotic it requires good government from the UN down to manage the chaos of intersecting ambitions and abilities. That's why I am attracted to 'benevolent authority' as a basis for good governance.   

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You know that's not correct; I'm the one arguing for a universal job guarntee, NOT 'Black Power'. Do try to keep up.

Even now I am arguing for a post individual-culture/ individual-ideology world; see the UN UDHR. 

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To those specifics:

1. The US and Canada rejected fleeing Jews in 1938; I'm saying Palestine should have been recognizwed when Israel was recognized in 1947.

2. Tibet was conquered by the Qing empire at a time when 'might is right'; and Britain was subjugating peoples all around the world.

3. Taiwan is inhabited by Chinese who until recently claimed THEY (the ROC) were the legitimate government of China....your argument is weak.

4. Addressed previously.

Unlike Albo, I'm aware unionists and all workers are oppressed by governments who are  forced to practice 'austerity' by private money lenders (see Keen's posts re money creation in banks, in the MMT thread). 

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jul 18^th, 2024 at 4:48pm:


Where's the empty rhetoric in:  - logically - the individuals who speak with their separate voices are NOT "the people" as represented by their  government empowered by majority vote (or consensus)  of the separate individuals?   

Now - I know you don't do logic, but still this has been an interesting exchange, given pollies in the US are now shouting democracy is supposed to be a non-violent exchange of ideas without resort to the gun...

Difficult, when people don't do logic and resort to hating the oppostion. or government itself.

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Ladies and gentemen  - witness graps in full flight.. good governance in our democracies depends on his vote.....

'The name "People's Liberation Army" was chosen to reflect the PLA's stated goal of liberating the Chinese people from the control of the nationalist Kuomintang government.'

liberation means 'act of setting free'. Freedom.
death means no more marching, cleaning boots, parades, orders, inspections and Kuomintang elections.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 18^th, 2024 at 6:20pm:



Poor buggars - then they'll have to learn the rules regarding foreign nations, won't they?  National (gasps) sovereignty, innit....

Now then - I think it's time we set China on the right path, don't you?  (heh, heh, heh)...

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jul 19^th, 2024 at 3:38pm:


China already knows the rules re "democray"; moreover, has no intention of intervening in other nations' governments (don't interfere when your adversaries are f**cking up all by themselves). 

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Let's see what comes out the third plenum; they are aware something's  not right with the market economies; how can the West  charge China with "overcapacity" when the developing world is still under-consuming.