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Jul 6^th, 2024 at 3:18pm

….Jolian petrol 2024.

Daughter seems to be smitten by it after a test drive on Wednesday… I just test drove it today… very nice and smooth and quiet…
But everything digitised/electronic… no gear stick… it’s a dial!

I’ve read how earlier models had quite a few glitches and they’re supposed to have ironed out these bugs.

I just never trusted Chinese cars… alas…it has a whopping 7 year warranty and road side assist.

Just wanted some feedback/opinions here please.

The other car we looking at is a 2028 Jeep Trailhawk…

Both cars are about same price except jolian is brand new.

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Reply #1 - Jul 6^th, 2024 at 5:38pm

I test drove one a few years ago. Lots of bells and whistles. They seemed to have jumped a few steps compared to hyundai, which started out selling boxy looking cars. Haval look sleek. But everyone told me not to buy one because they do not last. Every time one of those gadgets breaks you will be up for a repair bill. Plus, you are supporting the Chinese Communist Party.

I would check the price of second hand ones. That should give you a good indication of how long they last.

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Reply #2 - Jul 6^th, 2024 at 6:31pm

I'ld be keeping well away from any jeep.
Haval are a bit unknown

for my money, Mazda are about the best car .
Toyota 2nd, Kia/Hyundai 3rd, Mitsubishi ASX very good.

Maxda CX 3 is MUCH better car, Toyota corolla cross or
Mitsi ASX will all be much more economic to own.

Disclosure - I have a Camry. It has 325,000 kms on it. Runs perfectly.

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Reply #5 - Jul 6^th, 2024 at 9:55pm

really good comments here

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......... The fact that you have a $30k budget I think you should go back to the drawing board and reassess if you actually need a small SUV. You can get a less than 1 year old Toyota Corolla or Hyundai I30 in budget. These will both have basically the same practicality as a small SUV, but are by far the better option in the long term. They are more efficient, better to drive, their reliability will be far better and the resale won’t tank like a Haval meaning it’s a better financial choice.

If you really want brand new & an SUV have you considered a Mitsubishi ASX. They are not my favourite car as they are based on an older platform but you can get them new sub $30k, with a 10 year warranty with capped price servicing. Mitsubishi are well known for their backup support and once again the resale will be far better than a Haval after you are done with it. (Haval Will basically go to the scrap yard in 10 years).

Friends & family who ask advice on what car they should buy (non car people) my go to is anything Toyota. Outside if that there is also a lot of good brands as we are spoilt for choice in Australia, but Haval is definitely not one of them. Yes it’s tempting because it’s all shiny & it has all extras for a lower price, but it’s cheaper for a reason (hint it’s not manufacturing efficiencies). ..........

https://www.reddit.com/r/CarsAustralia/comments/12a3wi0/haval_experiences/

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Reply #6 - Jul 6^th, 2024 at 9:59pm

Sophia wrote on Jul 6^th, 2024 at 3:18pm:

….Jolian petrol 2024.

Daughter seems to be smitten by it after a test drive on Wednesday… I just test drove it today… very nice and smooth and quiet…
But everything digitised/electronic… no gear stick… it’s a dial!

I’ve read how earlier models had quite a few glitches and they’re supposed to have ironed out these bugs.

I just never trusted Chinese cars… alas…it has a whopping 7 year warranty and road side assist.

Just wanted some feedback/opinions here please.

The other car we looking at is a 2028 Jeep Trailhawk…

Both cars are about same price except jolian is brand new.

One day Chinese cars will be OK, just not today.
They cram their car full of bling to attract people who like that stuff and overlook how it's made.

How much is the Jolin, $35? You could get a 3 or 4 year old RAV4 that will be a 100% safe bet.

The Haval will get hit so hard with depreciation compared to Toyota.
As for Jeep, they're nice, but with loads of issues.

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Reply #7 - Jul 7^th, 2024 at 11:48am

The Jolin mid range is about $30k

The Jeep looked good but daughter says it felt heavy to drive, she felt the road whereas Jolin was quieter.

I’m all for Toyota/Nissan etc so this coming week test drive a few more.
I just feel the Jolin hadn’t been around enough to know how the long haul will go. The 7 year warranty is quite amazing though… I will give it that much.
The gear knob is weird as I’m used to a handle and moving that into gear… but then again… when we did a tour of the Captain’s bridge on the cruise ship… it was all much the same, just little switches, knobs, and no big wheel or anything like that.

Can imagine how in the days of hand cranking the car engine to start at front of vehicle to just a keyless push button now.
We have an old lister that’s still going that way!
Hubby says if the sun causes electronics to fizzle… our old lister will keep going!
Grin

Anyway, daughter has had a 2004 Rav 4 for over 15 years now. There’s already some getting their drivers licence that want to buy it from us … apparently these rav4s are very popular amongst the younger new licence gen.
In 5 years it can go on club reg!

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Reply #8 - Jul 7^th, 2024 at 2:21pm

You're getting too excited over warranty.

Give me a 4 year old lowish km Toyota with 1 year warranty for the same price (or even more) than a Chinese car with 7 years.

In 7 years the Chinese car will be nearly worthless.
The Toyota will have value. Even if you get unlucky with the Toyota and have a few big out of warranty repairs, you'll way ahead.

Also, take a well maintained out of warranty Toyota with a major problem to a dealer, chances are you'll get it fixed under fit for purpose laws.

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Reply #9 - Jul 7^th, 2024 at 3:07pm

Re: warranty. In the old days cars lasted a long time on average, but 'started' failing very early on, due to variability in manufacture. They were intended to last indefinitely, but in practice fell way short of that, for a huge number of reasons. These days they have it down to a fine art. What they are aiming for is a car with a 7 year warranty that lasts 7 years and falls apart to become worthless at 8. Obviously not there yet, but you get the idea. I had an old excel for example where all the plastic things like door handles started breaking at about 10 years. Plus a lot of 'minor' things in the engine that added up to a big expense in labour to replace. I ended up doing a lot of it myself. Probably not so bad in Asia if your mechanic will work for 50c a day and get the parts cheap. These days even software bugs can cause you a major headache. When power windows first came out a lot of people ended up screwed when they failed because the window was inoperable and it was expensive to fix.

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Reply #10 - Jul 10^th, 2024 at 5:34pm

Sophia wrote on Jul 7^th, 2024 at 11:48am:

The Jolin mid range is about $30k

The Jeep looked good but daughter says it felt heavy to drive, she felt the road whereas Jolin was quieter.

I’m all for Toyota/Nissan etc so this coming week test drive a few more.
I just feel the Jolin hadn’t been around enough to know how the long haul will go. The 7 year warranty is quite amazing though… I will give it that much.
The gear knob is weird as I’m used to a handle and moving that into gear… but then again… when we did a tour of the Captain’s bridge on the cruise ship… it was all much the same, just little switches, knobs, and no big wheel or anything like that.

Can imagine how in the days of hand cranking the car engine to start at front of vehicle to just a keyless push button now.
We have an old lister that’s still going that way!
Hubby says if the sun causes electronics to fizzle… our old lister will keep going!
Grin

Anyway, daughter has had a 2004 Rav 4 for over 15 years now. There’s already some getting their drivers licence that want to buy it from us … apparently these rav4s are very popular amongst the younger new licence gen.
In 5 years it can go on club reg!

Wow, that is impressive. However you dice it.

Used cars sell on how many klms are left in them, moreso than how many they have done.
The old plain Jane RAV 4, the customer say there is plenty of life left in it.
A 5 year old smaller turbo charged petrol on a CVT auto and loaded down with 'connected' high tech devices, HUD winscreeen etc - you can expect big bills from it.

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Reply #11 - Jul 10^th, 2024 at 6:07pm

Sophia wrote on Jul 7^th, 2024 at 11:48am:

The Jolin mid range is about $30k

The Jeep looked good but daughter says it felt heavy to drive, she felt the road whereas Jolin was quieter.

I’m all for Toyota/Nissan etc so this coming week test drive a few more.
I just feel the Jolin hadn’t been around enough to know how the long haul will go. The 7 year warranty is quite amazing though… I will give it that much.
The gear knob is weird as I’m used to a handle and moving that into gear… but then again… when we did a tour of the Captain’s bridge on the cruise ship… it was all much the same, just little switches, knobs, and no big wheel or anything like that.

Can imagine how in the days of hand cranking the car engine to start at front of vehicle to just a keyless push button now.
We have an old lister that’s still going that way!
Hubby says if the sun causes electronics to fizzle… our old lister will keep going!
Grin

Anyway, daughter has had a 2004 Rav 4 for over 15 years now. There’s already some getting their drivers licence that want to buy it from us … apparently these rav4s are very popular amongst the younger new licence gen.
In 5 years it can go on club reg!

Jeep is probably the worst American car brand for reliability i wouldn't buy one.

I wouldn't buy the Haval or any other Chinese car. There is no long term data on these cars the shorter term data isn''t very good.

7 year warranty is nothing to be happy about Mitsubishi have had 10 year warranties for the last decade and a half.

Mitsubishi ASX would be something to consider over Haval longer warranty they have been around for a while with no problems.

Club rego limits you to 60 days a year outside of club events you need to keep a log book. Do they have clubs for vintage Rav4s? Shocked

Keyless entry is really good for unlocking and starting car nice to leave key in pocket safer for women so they don't have to fumble around getting into and starting car.

As for boating even smaller sailing yachts have autopilots where you change course on a screen with touch or dials.

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Reply #12 - Jul 10^th, 2024 at 6:18pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 5:34pm:

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Used cars sell on how many klms are left in them, moreso than how many they have done.
The old plain Jane RAV 4, the customer say there is plenty of life left in it.
A 5 year old smaller turbo charged petrol on a CVT auto and loaded down with 'connected' high tech devices, HUD winscreeen etc - you can expect big bills from it.

High Kms should be looked at in context of where car is and type of driving. Country area not so bad inner city from lots of shorter trips with more cold starts really bad.

Avoid turbos they require high octane fuel when it comes time to rebuild the turbo that can be expensive.
If people thrash them then shut down then life is even shorter.
Turbos should be driven gently or even idled for a minute or 2 before turning off to reduce heat and extend life.

CVT are alright weakness is fast takeoffs from standing starts. Toyota have proper first gear in later models to address this weakness.
Oil must be changed at required service intervals CVT oil can be expensive..

Some of the newer electronics which aren't really needed for a car to drive can be very expensive to fix. Automatic emergency braking system failures can be an expensive hassle.

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Reply #14 - Jul 10^th, 2024 at 6:53pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 6:07pm:

Club rego limits you to 60 days a year outside of club events you need to keep a log book. Do they have clubs for vintage Rav4s?

An acquaintance of mine has a 1950s MG and my understanding of Historic Vehicle registration is that you have to be a member of an RMS approved club (not difficult, apparently there are quite a lot of clubs on their list) and you have to also have another car on full rego to be eligible.

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