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Reply #375 - Aug 15th, 2024 at 12:56pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 15th, 2024 at 12:45pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 15th, 2024 at 12:39pm:
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you merely asserted that what he said and what he believed are different things


Read it again grasshopper.


Read what again?

You mean - read this again (another of your inane questions)?:

"How do you know what he believed"?


Is that a question, or an assertion?
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Reply #376 - Aug 15th, 2024 at 6:06pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 15th, 2024 at 12:56pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 15th, 2024 at 12:45pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 15th, 2024 at 12:39pm:
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you merely asserted that what he said and what he believed are different things


Read it again grasshopper.


Read what again?

You mean - read this again (another of your inane questions)?:

"How do you know what he believed"?


Is that a question, or an assertion?


A question, obviously.

Will you amswer it?

Gawd, don't persist in showing what a fraud you are...

You said "read it again",  without specifying what I must read again. 

I offered my guess, which you deflected with another inane question; you really are identifying yourself as a fraud.

Anway, to cotinue your education (sorely needed):

1. Moses said - and believed - "God is a man of War" (Exodus), causing consternation among countless generations of Christians who tried to reconcile the NT with the OT, requiring  extraordinary mental gynastics from many Christian apologists (Marcion simply rejected the OT entirely).

2. Muhammud said - and believed  - (Koran)  the idea of god crucified is "blasphemous", and asserted Jesus was merely the last prophet before himself.

3. Both Moses and Muhammud were men of war, the former instrumental in the military conquest of "The Promised Land', the latter in establishing global Islam, also via military conquest.   

Do try to keep up... 



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Reply #377 - Aug 15th, 2024 at 6:53pm
 
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you merely asserted that what he said and what he believed are different things


Can you quote me?
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Reply #378 - Aug 15th, 2024 at 7:02pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 15th, 2024 at 6:06pm:
3. Both Moses and Muhammud were men of war, the former instrumental in the military conquest of "The Promised Land', the latter in establishing global Islam, also via military conquest.   


You know this never happened, it's a myth with no evidence. The other we are still having to live with.
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Reply #379 - Aug 18th, 2024 at 12:37pm
 
Moshe was turned back, remember... after all that work wandering for forty years (left toin at Albuquerque - what WAS in those tablets, man?) and as punishment for failing to control the golden calf lovers, he was banned from entering the holy land.... should've taken that left up the coast at the Red Sea .... another great 'What Were They Thinking' moment....

Moses arrives back in Cairo:-

"THREE lemonades, please..... THREE!"

"What have you been up to Moshelawrence?"

"I've just not taken Aqaba... we decided to go left instead and ended up in Judea by the sea ..... another lemonade for myself and my companions....."
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Reply #380 - Aug 19th, 2024 at 11:07pm
 

2024-Aug-19  Mon

I watched Australian Story, on the ABC tonight.

It featured the story, of Fatima Payman and her family.




MY COMMENTS ON WHAT I WATCHED......
In the program, Fatima Payman recounted how she was born in Afghanistan.

And it was stated, that her family were/had been 'political' actors in Afghanistan [i.e. they had been a family, with some political influence, in Afghanistan].

But then the Taliban came to power in Afghanistan, and her family had to flee from Afghanistan.
n.b.
the objective of Taliban in Afghanistan, is to institute 'pure' ISLAMIC Law.

Yet, her whole [followers of ISLAM] family decided, to flee to Pakistan.



[I pause now, and ask a few questions;
WHY DID THE FAMILY OF Fatima Payman NEED TO FLEE TO PAKISTAN ?

WEREN'T Fatima Payman AND HER FAMILY, GOOD MOSLEMS ?

COULDN'T HER FAMILY, LIVING IN AFGHANISTAN, HAVE SIMPLY CHANGED, AND ADAPTED THEMSELVES,
>> TO BLEND IN WITH <<   THE POLITICS >> AND WITH THE RELIGIOUS DICTATES << OF THE NEWLY DOMINANT GROUP IN AFGHANISTAN - THE TALIBAN ?
WOULDN'T ANY GOOD AND OBEDIENT MOSLEM FAMILY BE WILLING TO SUBMIT TO ALLAH'S LAW ?
AND IF NOT, I ASK WHY NOT ?
I ASK AGAIN, WHY DID THE FAMILY OF Fatima Payman NEED TO FLEE, TO PAKISTAN ?]



AND NOW.....IN THE TV PROGRAM.....WE COME TO THE ISSUE OF GAZA AND ISRAEL, AND OF HAMAS......
It was related, during the Australian Story program, on the ABC tonight,
that Fatima Payman and her family and her moslem community, were all expressing some agitation, and indignation, towards the genocide [their descriptor] that was occurring in Gaza,
at the hands of those dastardly Israelis.

dastardly = = wicked and cruel.



[I pause now, and ask;
DOES Fatima Payman AND HER FAMILY AND HER MOSLEM COMMUNITY KNOW,
THAT THE CIRCUMSTANCES WHICH SHE [AND HER FAMILY] FLED, IN AFGHANISTAN,
ARE THE EXACT SAME CIRCUMSTANCES WHICH ARE BEING REPLICATED BY HAMAS, IN GAZA ?

i.e.
IN GAZA, THERE IS NO OPPORTUNITY TO CHOOSE, OR TO DEBATE, ABOUT A RELIGIOUS DICTATE WHICH HAD BEEN ISSUED TO GAZANS, BY HAMAS.

SO I ASK.....HOW IS THE OPPRESSIVE AND MURDEROUS [political] SITUATION IN GAZA,
ANY DIFFERENT TO THE OPPRESSIVE AND MURDEROUS [political] SITUATION UNDER THE TALIBAN IN AFGHANISTAN ?]
n.b.
the objective of Hamas, in Gaza, is to institute 'pure' ISLAMIC Law.


MY COMMENTS ON WHAT I WATCHED......
The only difference i observe, is that the Israelis have [for many years] 'tasted' and experienced, the oppressive and murderous religious dictates of Fatah and Hamas,
and have decided 'to draw a line in the sand',
and to resist those >> murderous religious dictates << which local ISLAMISTS have assailed the Israelis with.



AND NOW......
All i can say, is that Fatima Payman's loyalty to ISLAM,
and to ISLAM's strict followers [in Gaza] is very commendable.
/sarc off


But a question.......Why, does Fatima Payman choose to remain in a secular nation [like Australia], where she is freely able to debate [with others] and to choose ?

And why does Fatima Payman instead, [if she believes that she is, indeed, a virtuous follower of ISLAM] not choose, to return to somewhere like Pakistan or to Gaza ?

And thereby [by HER CHOICE] surrender to the religious dictates of those who could murder her,
and her family, there,
if, and only if,
she refused to accept the religious dictates which the religious leaders [there] chose to rightly impose upon her ?


FURTHER......
And why, does Fatima Payman [and her moslem family, in Australia] condemn what Israelis are doing,
in fighting.....to be free to choose...
....which is the exact same freedom which Fatima Payman and her family have chosen FOR THEMSELVES,
BY CHOOSING TO COME TO LIVE IN AUSTRALIA ???

n.b.
HAMAS is an acronym for......"ISLAMIC Resistance Movement"


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I have got to tell you, Fatima Payman,
i do not understand your reasoning.

i.e.
What Fatima Payman is saying ........TO THE WHOLE WORLD, IS......

'ISLAMIC laws, FOR THEE.......but not for me.'



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Isaiah 5:20
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!



p.s.
bobby,
you should not have read this far !!!!

this post is way, way too long for you !!!!

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Re: Fatima Payman is a good moslem
Reply #381 - Aug 21st, 2024 at 1:02pm
 
Setanta wrote on Aug 15th, 2024 at 7:02pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 15th, 2024 at 6:06pm:
3. Both Moses and Muhammud were men of war, the former instrumental in the military conquest of "The Promised Land', the latter in establishing global Islam, also via military conquest.   


You know this never happened, it's a myth with no evidence. The other we are still having to live with.


The highlighted?

You appear to be ignoring the first 5 books of OT itself - written by Moses - as the evidence, just as FD is ignoring  the Koran as evidence for what Muhammud believed and said.  The  texts were written by  Moses and Muhammud respectively.

Moses was the first leader who stated the goal of conquering the  "Promised Land", which began with his leadership of the Jews out of Egypt (aka the Exodus). 

And he was the first to claim Jahweh authorized genocide against those nations who stood in the way of that conquest (Deuteronomy 7, 1-2).

Not mythology; Jews eventually conquered "The Promised Land" including its capital Jerusalem which they took (led by David) from a Canaanite tribe, the Jebusites.

[Note: (google)  "Genesis was written anonymously, but both Jewish and Christian religious tradition attributes the entire Pentateuch—Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy—to Moses. During the Enlightenment, the philosophers Benedict Spinoza and Thomas Hobbes questioned Mosaic authorship".

Regardless of that debate, the very first sentence of Deuteronomy is: "These are the words of Moses..."

And as for the world now "having to deal with Islam", "Islamic terrorism" exists today because the Judeo-Christian-based, Western-controlled UN voted to partition Palestine, to salve their own guilt for the Holocaust (ships with Jewish refugees fleeing Germany were turned  away from North American ports as late as 1938.)

Bin Laden himself said so, regarding the creation of Israel on Muslim land.    

 



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Reply #382 - Aug 21st, 2024 at 1:22pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 18th, 2024 at 12:37pm:
Moshe was turned back, remember... after all that work wandering for forty years ...


Wrong as usual ( you have a dismal record for one professing engagement with facts...).

Moses was never turned back, and he died leading the Jews on the way to the 'Promised Land'

Deut. 31, 2: "I am 120 years old, and can no longer lead you" (Joshua will take command, etc).

Quote:
"THREE lemonades, please..... THREE!"


Your invented mythology won't assist in fixing the world.

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Reply #383 - Nov 15th, 2024 at 8:45pm
 


My position on the Communications Legislation Amendment (Combatting Misinformation and Disinformation) Bill 2024. #auspol #democracy #freedom


https://x.com/SenatorPayman/status/1857284271175774661
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Reply #384 - Nov 15th, 2024 at 8:57pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 21st, 2024 at 1:22pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 18th, 2024 at 12:37pm:
Moshe was turned back, remember... after all that work wandering for forty years ...


Wrong as usual ( you have a dismal record for one professing engagement with facts...).

Moses was never turned back, and he died leading the Jews on the way to the 'Promised Land'

Deut. 31, 2: "I am 120 years old, and can no longer lead you" (Joshua will take command, etc).

Quote:
"THREE lemonades, please..... THREE!"


Your invented mythology won't assist in fixing the world.



Idiot!  God turned Moshe away.... sorry, mate - private party - Egyptian royalty not permitted entry .....  wake up....

Your invented ideology sure won't fix anything.
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Reply #385 - Nov 16th, 2024 at 11:17am
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Nov 15th, 2024 at 8:57pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 21st, 2024 at 1:22pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 18th, 2024 at 12:37pm:
Moshe was turned back, remember... after all that work wandering for forty years ...


Wrong as usual ( you have a dismal record for one professing engagement with facts...).

Moses was never turned back, and he died leading the Jews on the way to the 'Promised Land'

Deut. 31, 2: "I am 120 years old, and can no longer lead you" (Joshua will take command, etc).

Quote:
"THREE lemonades, please..... THREE!"


Your invented mythology won't assist in fixing the world.



Idiot!  God turned Moshe away...


I assume you are talking about Moses and the Exodus?

Quote:
Your invented ideology sure won't fix anything.


Where is the "invented ideology" in the scripture I quoted?:

Deut. 31, 2: "I am 120 years old, and can no longer lead you" (to the Promised Land; Joshua will take command, etc).

Do try to ackowledge facts - they are  "stubborn things"...Adams.....




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Reply #386 - Nov 29th, 2024 at 9:04am
 
PETITION

The Albanese Labor Government has refused to investigate Senator Payman’s eligibility, despite her failure to provide any public evidence that she has taken the steps required by the High Court to renounce her dual citizenship.

Demand that Albanese stop trampling on our Constitution and undermining the integrity of our Parliament by signing our petition today:

https://onenation.org.au/get-payman-out
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Reply #387 - Nov 29th, 2024 at 9:06am
 
Frank wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 9:04am:
PETITION

The Albanese Labor Government has refused to investigate Senator Payman’s eligibility, despite her failure to provide any public evidence that she has taken the steps required by the High Court to renounce her dual citizenship.

Demand that Albanese stop trampling on our Constitution and undermining the integrity of our Parliament by signing our petition today:

https://onenation.org.au/get-payman-out



LOL!

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Reply #388 - Nov 29th, 2024 at 9:12am
 
mothra wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 9:06am:
Frank wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 9:04am:
PETITION

The Albanese Labor Government has refused to investigate Senator Payman’s eligibility, despite her failure to provide any public evidence that she has taken the steps required by the High Court to renounce her dual citizenship.

Demand that Albanese stop trampling on our Constitution and undermining the integrity of our Parliament by signing our petition today:

https://onenation.org.au/get-payman-out



LOL!

Butthurt writ large.



Sign the petition to make sure the Constitution is adhered to.

Fatty Payman is not the first whose dual citizenship is in question.
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Reply #389 - Nov 29th, 2024 at 9:18am
 
Frank wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 9:12am:
mothra wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 9:06am:
Frank wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 9:04am:
PETITION

The Albanese Labor Government has refused to investigate Senator Payman’s eligibility, despite her failure to provide any public evidence that she has taken the steps required by the High Court to renounce her dual citizenship.

Demand that Albanese stop trampling on our Constitution and undermining the integrity of our Parliament by signing our petition today:

https://onenation.org.au/get-payman-out



LOL!

Butthurt writ large.



Sign the petition to make sure the Constitution is adhered to.

Fatty Payman is not the first whose dual citizenship is in question.



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