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Re: Fatima Payman is a good moslem
Reply #270 - Jul 21^st, 2024 at 5:51pm

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What we do know for a fact is that Muhammad slaughtered Jews as soon as he had enough power to do so, and put plenty of anti Jewish propaganda in the Quran to justify it.

Only those Jews who rejected Islam....

I suppose this seems totally legitimate to you. Just like communism. Convert or die.

Of course not; but as I have patiently explained, the "jeaous god" of the Jews AND the Moslems (the same bronze-age "god" worshipped by both, who demanded exclusive fealty) is the cause of this eternal conflict between Jews and Moslems.

Even so, the Koran says (somewhat contradicting itself): "let there be no compulsion in religion", hence:

..in either 637 or in 638, Jerusalem was officially surrendered to the caliph.[24]

For the Jewish community this marked the end of nearly 500 years of Roman rule and oppression. Umar permitted the Jews to once again reside within the city of Jerusalem itself.

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A wise caliph, seeking aquiesence among his new subjects (including Christians) in lands from which Jews had been expelled 500 years earlier by Hadrian....

And just to put your mind at rest: the CCP has NO interest in exporting "communism" to the West, though it does object to the Chinese DDP "freedom values" ideologues on Taiwan arming themselves against the mainland with US connivance.

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Re: Fatima Payman is a good moslem
Reply #271 - Jul 21^st, 2024 at 7:49pm

freediver wrote on Jul 21^st, 2024 at 1:40pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 21^st, 2024 at 12:15pm:

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What we do know for a fact is that Muhammad slaughtered Jews as soon as he had enough power to do so, and put plenty of anti Jewish propaganda in the Quran to justify it.

Only those Jews who rejected Islam....

I suppose this seems totally legitimate to you. Just like communism. Convert or die.

Oh - so it's OK with those who reject assimilation ................................. to just .... you know......

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Reply #272 - Jul 21^st, 2024 at 8:01pm

Greens senator Mehreen Faruqi has threatened to sue The Australian for defamation and demanded an apology over a Johannes Leak cartoon that portrayed her wearing a Hamas headband and whitewashing a wall bearing the words ‘October 7’, claiming the depiction was “racist” and would cost her votes at the next election.

The Australian has told Senator Faruqi it will not accede to any of her “grossly hypocritical” demands, and that the cartoon – which it argues is clearly protected by truth and honest opinion defences – will remain online.

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Re: Fatima Payman is a good moslem
Reply #276 - Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 1:30pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 21^st, 2024 at 5:51pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 21^st, 2024 at 1:40pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 21^st, 2024 at 12:15pm:

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What we do know for a fact is that Muhammad slaughtered Jews as soon as he had enough power to do so, and put plenty of anti Jewish propaganda in the Quran to justify it.

Only those Jews who rejected Islam....

I suppose this seems totally legitimate to you. Just like communism. Convert or die.

Of course not; but as I have patiently explained, the "jeaous god" of the Jews AND the Moslems (the same bronze-age "god" worshipped by both, who demanded exclusive fealty) is the cause of this eternal conflict between Jews and Moslems.

There is eternal conflict between Muslims and everyone else.

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Re: Fatima Payman is a good moslem
Reply #277 - Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 3:46pm

Frank wrote on Jul 21^st, 2024 at 8:01pm:

Greens senator Mehreen Faruqi has threatened to sue The Australian for defamation and demanded an apology over a Johannes Leak cartoon that portrayed her wearing a Hamas headband and whitewashing a wall bearing the words ‘October 7’, claiming the depiction was “racist” and would cost her votes at the next election.

The Australian has told Senator Faruqi it will not accede to any of her “grossly hypocritical” demands, and that the cartoon – which it argues is clearly protected by truth and honest opinion defences – will remain online.

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Absolutely - and it proved deadly in France. Mussos don't muck around, they'll kill you if you say the wrong thing and mock the Prophet.

Whereas here in Sydney they just went on their usual rampage pouring into the city on masse and taking over the Pitt Street Mall in a horrifyingly violent display of musso aggression, intolerance and hatred. My younger son got his first up close and personal encounter with the rioting mussos when police herded them towards Hyde Park. Unlike his older brother who as a TAG officer was seconded to the Middle Eastern Organised Crime Squad and was well acquainted with the musso criminal community, he was new to policing and didn't come across mussos in his "white flight" LAC.

What shocked him most was a muslim mother who gave her toddler a sign to hold up - Behead all those who insult the Prophet! They're more careful these days what they say in public .... but down in the mosques it's an entirely different matter.

Johannes Leake is my favourite cartoonist but it looks like mussos such as Mehreen Faruqui believe they are above being satirised. They cannot take criticism in any way or form - the Australian referred to her as glass jawed. She has an agenda, just like Fatima Payman, and that is to stifle any criticism of Islam by crying racism and Islamophobia whenever anyone points out the intolerance and violent behaviour of muslims and their refusal to assimilate into the wider community.

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Reply #278 - Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 3:59pm

freediver wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 1:30pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 21^st, 2024 at 5:51pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 21^st, 2024 at 1:40pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 21^st, 2024 at 12:15pm:

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What we do know for a fact is that Muhammad slaughtered Jews as soon as he had enough power to do so, and put plenty of anti Jewish propaganda in the Quran to justify it.

Only those Jews who rejected Islam....

I suppose this seems totally legitimate to you. Just like communism. Convert or die.

Of course not; but as I have patiently explained, the "jeaous god" of the Jews AND the Moslems (the same bronze-age "god" worshipped by both, who demanded exclusive fealty) is the cause of this eternal conflict between Jews and Moslems.

There is eternal conflict between Muslims and everyone else.

But not modern enlightened Moslems like Payman (to get back to the thread's topic).

You ready to support a 2-state solution yet - unlike the "Promised Land" ideologues in Netanyahu's and the US administrations?

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Re: Fatima Payman is a good moslem
Reply #279 - Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 4:08pm

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But not modern enlightened Moslems like Payman (to get back to the thread's topic).

The one sprouting the militant rhetoric about Palestine, that her supporters are afraid to have an opinion on?

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You ready to support a 2-state solution yet - unlike the "Promised Land" ideologues in Netanyahu's and the US administrations?

Everyone, including them, supports a two state solution. The only difference is that you think the Muslim state should be magically conjured into existence with some clever paperwork, whereas realists acknowledge that the Palestinians themselves will have to create it, and take responsibility for its actions. They essentially already have it. There is a power vacuum there that, almost uniquely in history, no other nation wants to swoop in and fill. The only problem is the "functioning" state part. That would require the Palestinians to support themselves rather than begging for handouts and using any spare energy and resources they have on trying to slaughter Jews.

If they were as dedicated to liberal democracy as the Israelis are, they would have one, and be just as well off. But in their own words, the choose death over freedom and democracy.

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Re: Fatima Payman is a good moslem
Reply #280 - Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 4:33pm

freediver wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 4:08pm:

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But not modern enlightened Moslems like Payman (to get back to the thread's topic).

The one sprouting the militant rhetoric about Palestine, that her supporters are afraid to have an opinion on?

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You ready to support a 2-state solution yet - unlike the "Promised Land" ideologues in Netanyahu's and the US administrations?

Everyone, including them, supports a two state solution.

Your first error in fact: Netanyahu has expressly rejected it, after the ICJ ruling last week.

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The only difference is that you think the Muslim state should be magically conjured into existence with some clever paperwork, whereas realists acknowledge that the Palestinians themselves will have to create it, and take responsibility for its actions.

No; I think justice demands that a people who had half their land confiscated should at least have ownership of the other half guaranteed by the confiscating authority (the UN).

How difficult is that to comprehend?

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They essentially already have it.

Too 'funny'. The IDF is standing by while illegal settlers are committing acts of violence against Palestinians in their own prospective state, as identified in UN res 181 and 242.

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Reply #281 - Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 4:37pm

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Your first error in fact: Netanyahu has expressly rejected it, after the ICJ ruling last week.

He disagrees on where the borders should be. That is not a rejection of a two state solution.

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No; I think justice demands that a people who had half their land confiscated should at least have ownership of the other half guaranteed by the confiscating authority (the UN).
How difficult is that to comprehend?

Yes it is. What "other half"? Is this another of your "justice through magical paperwork" ideas?

BTW, I noticed you ran away from "getting back on topic" quick enough. How "enlightened" do you think Fati really is?

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Re: Fatima Payman is a good moslem
Reply #282 - Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 4:58pm

freediver wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 4:37pm:

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Your first error in fact: Netanyahu has expressly rejected it, after the ICJ ruling last week.

He disagrees on where the borders should be. That is not a rejection of a two state solution.

Wrong again:

https://www.crikey.com.au/2024/07/22/israel-gaza-palestine-two-state-solution-im...

A two-state solution now seems impossible. How will Australia respond?
'Whatever the two-state solution was prior to these developments, it is now most certainly a mirage thanks to the Knesset. The ICJ’s move makes it all the more plain.'

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Yes it is.

Oh dear - proving blind "freedom values" ideology makes simple logic difficult to understand.

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What "other half"? Is this another of your "justice through magical paperwork" ideas?

The Palestinian state as defined by the confiscating authority, in UN res 181 and 242. Justice as defined by the UN and the ICJ.

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BTW, I noticed you ran away from "getting back on topic" quick enough. How "enlightened" do you think Fati really is?

I'm pretty certain she doesn't want to kill anyone for their beliefs...

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Re: Fatima Payman is a good moslem
Reply #283 - Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 5:17pm

Israel has repeatedly offered a Two State Solution... kind of a Middle Eastern Aborassic Park, you understand, but without a Gondwanamo Bay ....do your own thing but don't impinge on others as you do when allowed to free range ... (sounds familiar - now who is trying to boot others out of national parks and such? Hmmmm... somethng wrong about that official line there...)......... the Gazans (not Palestinians) have remained Ayeless in Gaza about that idea...

Now - all she has to do as a good Australian is say that Hamas needs to be banned...... forever. Not too hard, eh? Unless she is now too 'invested' in it all...

Here, Fatima - just say this on national teev:-

"I made a simple error when I said that Hamas was indeed a terrorist group; of course, I didn't realise that people would take everything so literally and pick the eyes out of it.... I was of the opinion that calling a group a terrorist group was sufficient.... so just to settle the whole thing down - I will say that ALL terrorist groups must be banned - and I make special mention here of Hamas needing to be banned. Thank you!" **wipes tears and wins hearts and minds**

Easy-peasy!!

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Re: Fatima Payman is a good moslem
Reply #284 - Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 6:08pm

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I'm pretty certain she doesn't want to kill anyone for their beliefs

So what do you think she meant by what she said?

And other than some bare snippets of what she has said, how do you know what her beliefs are? Are you just parroting what you have been told to parrot? Have you ever heard her reject those parts of the Quran and Hadiths that call for people to be killed for their beliefs? Have you ever seen her reject Muhammad's killing of people for not converting to Islam?

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