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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: the cheapest way to reduce GHG emissions Reply #90 - Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 5:17pm Does anyone here have any idea about how much plastic flows to the oceans from rivers every year? How much longer can we use the oceans as toilet and rubbish dump before fish stocks take a huge hit?
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: the cheapest way to reduce GHG emissions Reply #91 - Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 5:19pm You will look in vain to the Environment MRB for answers. The little puke ruining that MRB has no idea, no interest. YouTubes of cute cats and dogs is his only interest.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20947 Gender:	Re: the cheapest way to reduce GHG emissions Reply #92 - Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 5:37pm Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 5:17pm: Does anyone here have any idea about how much plastic flows to the oceans from rivers every year? Still worried about a plastic micro penile insert?
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Reply #93 - Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 5:54pm

lee wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 5:37pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 5:17pm:

Does anyone here have any idea about how much plastic flows to the oceans from rivers every year?

Still worried about a plastic micro penile insert? Wink

The above is what passes for “intellectual discussion” in the Environment toilet of a board.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20947 Gender:	Re: the cheapest way to reduce GHG emissions Reply #94 - Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 7:11pm Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 5:54pm: The above is what passes for “intellectual discussion” in the Environment toilet of a board. And yet it wasn't posted there. So tell us more about the CO2 emissions are lessening to space, as per your lovely graphic. And yet OLR is increasing.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: the cheapest way to reduce GHG emissions Reply #95 - Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 7:37pm What frequencies?
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20947 Gender:	Re: the cheapest way to reduce GHG emissions Reply #96 - Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 8:34pm Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 7:37pm: What frequencies? Whichever frequencies float your boat.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: the cheapest way to reduce GHG emissions Reply #97 - Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 8:42pm OK, you don’t know what frequencies (or wavelength) of IR are reaching space. Do you know HM IR/heat remains in the atmosphere/surface/oceans?
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Re: the cheapest way to reduce GHG emissions
Reply #98 - Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 8:58pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 8:42pm:

OK, you don’t know what frequencies (or wavelength) of IR are reaching space.

I know. But you wanted to prove yourself. Don't forget most is covered by both water and methane. Wink

Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 8:42pm:

Do you know HM IR/heat remains in the atmosphere/surface/oceans?

The same as you. That's why they have satellites to determine that that exits the atmosphere. Then they guess what remains, with wide eror bars. Wink

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: the cheapest way to reduce GHG emissions Reply #99 - Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 9:14pm So you don’t know that either. Is the globe warming, lee? Do you at least know that?
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20947 Gender:	Re: the cheapest way to reduce GHG emissions Reply #100 - Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 9:43pm It has probably warmed. The bad siting of weather stations doesn't make it a certainty. But tell us how much net CO2 is either sequestered of emitted from the ocean. You claim to know these things.
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Reply #101 - Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 9:54pm

“Probably warmed” wow talk of having the courage of your convictions!

So what has the increase in far IR emitted to space mean?

And FYI satellite as well as terrestrial measurements of global temperature both show an increase in temperature with indications of an increase in the rate of warming starting 9 years ago. That the three La Ninas in a row didn’t show any great cooling is probably confirmation of this increase.

The oceans do not emit net CO2 despite their warming a tiny amount because the 50% increase in the partial pressure of CO2 prevents that.

Tell me lee, a body that increases in temperature would it emit less IR, the same amount of IR or more IR?

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Reply #102 - Jul 23^rd, 2024 at 12:39pm

lee wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 9:43pm:

But tell us how much net CO2 is either sequestered of emitted from the ocean. You claim to know these things.

So you can't tell us. Thanks for that. Grin

Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 9:54pm:

And FYI satellite as well as terrestrial measurements of global temperature both show an increase in temperature with indications of an increase in the rate of warming starting 9 years ago.

Satellite measurements, like tree rings, are proxies. Do you have the error bars for that? What are the error bars for the terrestrial measurements? And I will give you a hint - it is not 0.2C as stated by HadCrut currently and not 0.34C way back in 1850. Wink

Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 9:54pm:

The oceans do not emit net CO2 despite their warming a tiny amount because the 50% increase in the partial pressure of CO2 prevents that.

So give us the figures instead of propagandising.

We even get outgassing in the polar regions.

"Storms drive outgassing of CO2 in the subpolar Southern Ocean"

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-021-27780-w

BTW - You do realise you haven't posted on how "cheap" renewables are. Wink

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Reply #103 - Jul 23^rd, 2024 at 1:16pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 5:17pm:

Does anyone here have any idea about how much plastic flows to the oceans from rivers every year? How much longer can we use the oceans as toilet and rubbish dump before fish stocks take a huge hit?

Yes.... Asia, the Indian sub-continent & SE Asia throw/dump everything thing into their streams, creeks & rivers.

In some countries the rivers are like giant slow moving glaciers of plastic.

The evidence of this washes up on all our remote islands & coasts.

This(aka micro plastics) is a far more serious issue than GHGs & AGW.

Stopping this pollution would be far better than worrying about fossil fuel emissions(especially ours) & wasting billions/trillions on renewable projects that are not & never will be green, clean & the energy from them "free".

You can thank that idiot Fred Hilmer for convincing govts that they can't have a monopoly & to place electricity generation in the market environment.

That's one big reason why our power prices are so high.

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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 33412 Gender:	Re: the cheapest way to reduce GHG emissions Reply #104 - Jul 23^rd, 2024 at 1:16pm Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 5:19pm: You will look in vain to the Environment MRB for answers. The little puke ruining that MRB has no idea, no interest. YouTubes of cute cats and dogs is his only interest. You & he have a lot in common then?
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