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Re: the cheapest way to reduce GHG emissions
Reply #45 - Jun 30^th, 2024 at 1:26pm

FD has very little understanding of the carbon cycle

if animals dont eat the grass, it probably burns and releases all that carbon plus some

well grazed farmlands do not but we all saw what the "lock the gate" policies of the greenies achieved in 2019

Australia’s devastating bushfire season is likely to have released 830m tonnes of carbon dioxide, far more than the country’s annual greenhouse gas pollution, according to a government estimate.

If compared with international emissions, it suggests the Australian temperate forest bushfires between September and February would rank sixth on a list of polluting nations, behind only China, the US, India, Russia and Japan.

i doubt a few farting cows release as much as the 6 th biggest nation on the planet.
and if you pull those cattle off the land, i can assure you the bushfires will be catastrophic Cry

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Re: the cheapest way to reduce GHG emissions
Reply #46 - Jun 30^th, 2024 at 1:32pm

freediver wrote on Jun 30^th, 2024 at 8:05am:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 29^th, 2024 at 3:00pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 29^th, 2024 at 2:24pm:

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But apparently it is only animals we should cull.

Who told you we would be culling anything? The coalition?

You know they have to kill the cow to make a steak, right?

are you saying asking every , almost broke farmer , to pay heaps of cash per cow , will result in them having loads more?? Roll Eyes

now you are channelling joe biden

No. I am saying you lack common sense. And you lie habitually. In other words, you are a coalition supporter.

Oh what confused bunnies we all are; I agee with your critique of aquascoot, but I would critique you exactly as you have critiqued aquascoot ....and no doubt you would return the favour.....

Ouch.

It's time for the failing liberal democracies to step aside for benevolent authority, if we going to end the current political chaos including dealing with climate change.

Starmer is out there saying "we have to believe that change is possible - mimicking Obama's failed "yes we can"; but the Brits know change is not possible with adversarial parties arguing over taxation levels. (Starmer has already said he won't increase taxes - hence we already know he won't stop the decline in the UK's standard of living and public infrastructure, while the rich get richer).

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Re: the cheapest way to reduce GHG emissions
Reply #47 - Jun 30^th, 2024 at 1:40pm

aquascoot wrote on Jun 30^th, 2024 at 1:26pm:

FD has very little understanding of the carbon cycle

if animals dont eat the grass, it probably burns and releases all that carbon plus some

well grazed farmlands do not but we all saw what the "lock the gate" policies of the greenies achieved in 2019

Australia’s devastating bushfire season is likely to have released 830m tonnes of carbon dioxide, far more than the country’s annual greenhouse gas pollution, according to a government estimate.

If compared with international emissions, it suggests the Australian temperate forest bushfires between September and February would rank sixth on a list of polluting nations, behind only China, the US, India, Russia and Japan.

i doubt a few farting cows release as much as the 6 th biggest nation on the planet.
and if you pull those cattle off the land, i can assure you the bushfires will be catastrophic Cry

What makes you think animals wouldn't eat the grass? Or that the grass would even be there? Or that the GHG emissions would be just as bad?

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Re: the cheapest way to reduce GHG emissions
Reply #48 - Jul 1^st, 2024 at 10:07am

freediver wrote on Jun 30^th, 2024 at 12:04pm:

Gnads wrote on Jun 30^th, 2024 at 12:03pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 30^th, 2024 at 11:32am:

Gnads wrote on Jun 30^th, 2024 at 9:27am:

lee wrote on Jun 29^th, 2024 at 3:55pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 29^th, 2024 at 2:24pm:

Who told you we would be culling anything?

If you want to reduce methane, so the story goes, you need to reduce ruminants.

There is only so much steak you can eat. And a lot is not good enough for the urban elite. That is why it is also exported live. Roll Eyes

If you took out the domestic ruminant herds of sheep and cattle ....

and the great migratory herds that man hunted for food were returned ....

you would have the same problem ..

because they were & those that remain are all ruminants.

What great migratory herds were there in Australia?

Ahhh so green house gases and AGW isn't a global problem ... just Australia specific because there were no migratory ruminant herds here.

It has nothing to do with the global herd(cattle,sheep) that all you fear mongering AGW alarmists claim are farting the world into extinction?? Roll Eyes

What great herds were there in Europe?

Aurochs, Bison, reindeer/caribou, Moose/elk, red deer.

As well as non ruminant herds of wild horses.

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Re: the cheapest way to reduce GHG emissions
Reply #49 - Jul 1^st, 2024 at 10:43am

Gnads wrote on Jul 1^st, 2024 at 10:07am:

freediver wrote on Jun 30^th, 2024 at 12:04pm:

Gnads wrote on Jun 30^th, 2024 at 12:03pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 30^th, 2024 at 11:32am:

Gnads wrote on Jun 30^th, 2024 at 9:27am:

lee wrote on Jun 29^th, 2024 at 3:55pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 29^th, 2024 at 2:24pm:

Who told you we would be culling anything?

If you want to reduce methane, so the story goes, you need to reduce ruminants.

There is only so much steak you can eat. And a lot is not good enough for the urban elite. That is why it is also exported live. Roll Eyes

If you took out the domestic ruminant herds of sheep and cattle ....

and the great migratory herds that man hunted for food were returned ....

you would have the same problem ..

because they were & those that remain are all ruminants.

What great migratory herds were there in Australia?

Ahhh so green house gases and AGW isn't a global problem ... just Australia specific because there were no migratory ruminant herds here.

It has nothing to do with the global herd(cattle,sheep) that all you fear mongering AGW alarmists claim are farting the world into extinction?? Roll Eyes

What great herds were there in Europe?

Aurochs, Bison, reindeer/caribou, Moose/elk, red deer.

As well as non ruminant herds of wild horses.

How big did the "great migratory herds" of European bison get?

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JC Denton Gold Member Offline Posts: 5517 Gender:	Re: the cheapest way to reduce GHG emissions Reply #50 - Jul 1^st, 2024 at 8:34pm no reply mothra? where'd you go?
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Re: the cheapest way to reduce GHG emissions
Reply #51 - Jul 2^nd, 2024 at 9:23am

aquascoot wrote on Jun 30^th, 2024 at 1:26pm:

FD has very little understanding of the carbon cycle

if animals dont eat the grass, it probably burns and releases all that carbon plus some

well grazed farmlands do not but we all saw what the "lock the gate" policies of the greenies achieved in 2019

Australia’s devastating bushfire season is likely to have released 830m tonnes of carbon dioxide, far more than the country’s annual greenhouse gas pollution, according to a government estimate.

If compared with international emissions, it suggests the Australian temperate forest bushfires between September and February would rank sixth on a list of polluting nations, behind only China, the US, India, Russia and Japan.

i doubt a few farting cows release as much as the 6 th biggest nation on the planet.
and if you pull those cattle off the land, i can assure you the bushfires will be catastrophic Cry

Your idea of Lock the Gate must be different to mine.

I was of the belief that it was for property owners who didn't want mining or hydraulic gas fracking operations on their properties?

I had no idea it meant Lock the Gate to having grazing animals eating the grass on said properties. Roll Eyes

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Re: the cheapest way to reduce GHG emissions
Reply #52 - Jul 2^nd, 2024 at 9:26am

freediver wrote on Jul 1^st, 2024 at 10:43am:

Gnads wrote on Jul 1^st, 2024 at 10:07am:

freediver wrote on Jun 30^th, 2024 at 12:04pm:

Gnads wrote on Jun 30^th, 2024 at 12:03pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 30^th, 2024 at 11:32am:

Gnads wrote on Jun 30^th, 2024 at 9:27am:

lee wrote on Jun 29^th, 2024 at 3:55pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 29^th, 2024 at 2:24pm:

Who told you we would be culling anything?

If you want to reduce methane, so the story goes, you need to reduce ruminants.

There is only so much steak you can eat. And a lot is not good enough for the urban elite. That is why it is also exported live. Roll Eyes

If you took out the domestic ruminant herds of sheep and cattle ....

and the great migratory herds that man hunted for food were returned ....

you would have the same problem ..

because they were & those that remain are all ruminants.

What great migratory herds were there in Australia?

Ahhh so green house gases and AGW isn't a global problem ... just Australia specific because there were no migratory ruminant herds here.

It has nothing to do with the global herd(cattle,sheep) that all you fear mongering AGW alarmists claim are farting the world into extinction?? Roll Eyes

What great herds were there in Europe?

Aurochs, Bison, reindeer/caribou, Moose/elk, red deer.

As well as non ruminant herds of wild horses.

How big did the "great migratory herds" of European bison get?

Look it up.

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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 33418 Gender:	Re: the cheapest way to reduce GHG emissions Reply #53 - Jul 2^nd, 2024 at 10:34am How long before this happens to one of the massive solar farm projects here in Australia. 2 years ago there was one on the Sunshine Coast that the idiot Council allowed to be built on a flood plain went underwater.... this clip is on a 4,000 acre solar farm in Damon Texas US that was destroyed by hail.
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Re: the cheapest way to reduce GHG emissions
Reply #54 - Jul 2^nd, 2024 at 10:40am

Gnads wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2024 at 9:26am:

freediver wrote on Jul 1^st, 2024 at 10:43am:

Gnads wrote on Jul 1^st, 2024 at 10:07am:

freediver wrote on Jun 30^th, 2024 at 12:04pm:

Gnads wrote on Jun 30^th, 2024 at 12:03pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 30^th, 2024 at 11:32am:

Gnads wrote on Jun 30^th, 2024 at 9:27am:

lee wrote on Jun 29^th, 2024 at 3:55pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 29^th, 2024 at 2:24pm:

Who told you we would be culling anything?

If you want to reduce methane, so the story goes, you need to reduce ruminants.

There is only so much steak you can eat. And a lot is not good enough for the urban elite. That is why it is also exported live. Roll Eyes

If you took out the domestic ruminant herds of sheep and cattle ....

and the great migratory herds that man hunted for food were returned ....

you would have the same problem ..

because they were & those that remain are all ruminants.

What great migratory herds were there in Australia?

Ahhh so green house gases and AGW isn't a global problem ... just Australia specific because there were no migratory ruminant herds here.

It has nothing to do with the global herd(cattle,sheep) that all you fear mongering AGW alarmists claim are farting the world into extinction?? Roll Eyes

What great herds were there in Europe?

Aurochs, Bison, reindeer/caribou, Moose/elk, red deer.

As well as non ruminant herds of wild horses.

How big did the "great migratory herds" of European bison get?

Look it up.

I did. They formed herds of about 10.

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Re: the cheapest way to reduce GHG emissions
Reply #55 - Jul 8^th, 2024 at 11:44am

I notice FD started this topic in General not Environment.

Environment is a wasteland where the environment is never discussed.

Time for FD to boot Booby as Mod there. I suggest he appoint Sad Kangaroo as new Mod of Environment. Even part time Sad will do a 1000% better job.

That and a crackdown on racism, abuse etc—actually applying the rules—will give OzPol a chance to recover.

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OzPolitic needs a >real< Environment MRB now!
OzPolitic needs a >real< Food MRB now!
OzPolitic needs a >real< Health MRB now!
OzPolitic needs a >real< Economics MRB now!

Topics in the right MRB!

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Re: the cheapest way to reduce GHG emissions
Reply #56 - Jul 8^th, 2024 at 12:18pm

freediver wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2024 at 10:40am:

Gnads wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2024 at 9:26am:

freediver wrote on Jul 1^st, 2024 at 10:43am:

Gnads wrote on Jul 1^st, 2024 at 10:07am:

freediver wrote on Jun 30^th, 2024 at 12:04pm:

Gnads wrote on Jun 30^th, 2024 at 12:03pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 30^th, 2024 at 11:32am:

Gnads wrote on Jun 30^th, 2024 at 9:27am:

lee wrote on Jun 29^th, 2024 at 3:55pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 29^th, 2024 at 2:24pm:

Who told you we would be culling anything?

If you want to reduce methane, so the story goes, you need to reduce ruminants.

There is only so much steak you can eat. And a lot is not good enough for the urban elite. That is why it is also exported live. Roll Eyes

If you took out the domestic ruminant herds of sheep and cattle ....

and the great migratory herds that man hunted for food were returned ....

you would have the same problem ..

because they were & those that remain are all ruminants.

What great migratory herds were there in Australia?

Ahhh so green house gases and AGW isn't a global problem ... just Australia specific because there were no migratory ruminant herds here.

It has nothing to do with the global herd(cattle,sheep) that all you fear mongering AGW alarmists claim are farting the world into extinction?? Roll Eyes

What great herds were there in Europe?

Aurochs, Bison, reindeer/caribou, Moose/elk, red deer.

As well as non ruminant herds of wild horses.

How big did the "great migratory herds" of European bison get?

Look it up.

I did. They formed herds of about 10.

Who is they?

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MattE Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 507 Gender:	Re: the cheapest way to reduce GHG emissions Reply #58 - Jul 8^th, 2024 at 2:25pm The real question should be what is the most RELIABLE way to reduce GHG emissions. Because intermittent power sources add a lot of cost to the economy.
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Re: the cheapest way to reduce GHG emissions
Reply #59 - Jul 8^th, 2024 at 3:49pm

MattE wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 2:25pm:

The real question should be what is the most RELIABLE way to reduce GHG emissions. Because intermittent power sources add a lot of cost to the economy.

So you don't care about the cost?

Whether a mechanism is reliable or not depends entirely on the political will behind it. Building a wind turbine or nuclear power station by itself guarantees nothing.

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