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Reply #180 - Jun 29^th, 2024 at 12:04pm

chimera wrote on Jun 29^th, 2024 at 11:50am:

'White House National Security Communications advisor, John Kirby, who told journalists this week that "the White House was not involved in any way whatsoever in Julian Assange's case, and the decisions pursuant to that, to his sentencing and his repatriation back to [sic] Israel. That was a [Department of Justice] matter, and they're the only ones that can speak to it".

Why then did the Australan delegation only speak to Congress and not to a judge?

They spoke to the DoJ. Why would they speak to a judge?

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Reply #181 - Jun 29^th, 2024 at 1:27pm

Aussie wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 9:16pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 8:42pm:

Great interview by ABC's 7.30 Sarah Ferguson, of MAGA- darling MT Greene; Marjorie has supported Assange for years because he "exposed lies of government".

The interview went well until Sarah attempted to change the subject to Trump.... the two ladies began sparring like prize fighters...Greene was feisty and held up well.

O dear, what confused bunnies we all are.

I might head to China, hope the government knows what it is doing, and shut up about politics.....

Did it not also cross your mind that Green was espousing, lauding, championing the role of the media (Assange) in exposing stuff, yet when it came to her being asked questions about what she had been up to in the past and present, she sought to restrict the media?

Of course Green is an AF/MAGA ideologue who will laud the media when it aligns with her ideology, and condemn the media (in this case, Ferguson asking about Trump) when it doesn't.

Like I said - what confused bunnies we all are: John Smith (with whom I mostly agree on most things) hates Assange, whereas I love Assange because I hate war and the 'deep state's 'security'/secrecy apparatus; I'm definitely NOT 'AF/MAGA', yet I like Greene's support of Assange because we both hate the 'deep state' ...but for very, very different reasons.

Then you (Aussie) who claim to vote ALP, now critiicizes Albo for welcoming Asange back - as per the Oz majority opinion including Barnaby Joyce (!).

Now you can see why China with its one-party meritocracy is looking good: the "right" to vote in "free" democratic elections" amounts to a fraud visited upon electorates of confused, squabbling, self-interested bunnies (which we all are), with neither side capable of engendering common prosperity while the wealthy are laughing all the way to the bank.

I wonder if Assange is antiwar and pro a UNSC minus veto, to enforce rulings of an ICJ , thereby allowing for general disarmament other than permanent members of the UNSC)?

Neanderthals like chimera of course won't have a bar of it, hence his ancient "freedom or death" ideology, life be damned.

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Reply #182 - Jun 29^th, 2024 at 1:33pm

Speaking to a US judge would be interfering, but they didn't do that. It was all political:
'A cross-party delegation of Assange supporters travelled to the US to press the matter with Republican and Democratic lawmakers last year. Australian MPs signed an open letter that was published in the Washington Post.

Albanese raised the case directly with the US president, Joe
Biden, on an official visit to Washington in October 2023.'

That outreach was backed up three months later when Australia’s attorney general, Mark Dreyfus, visited Washington and raised it with his counterpart, Merrick Garland, who runs the Department of Justice.

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Reply #184 - Jun 30^th, 2024 at 10:54am

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 7:36pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 7:23pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 7:20pm:

Assange committed no crime.

Assange is not a US citizen.

No crime was committed in the USA.

The USA has no jurisdiction over Assange other than that which the UK and Sweden were coerced to impose on Assange.

What a cockhead he is then, ey? Pleaded guilty to a US crime. Oh dear......

Corruption in the Swedish and UK political and judicial systems was the cause of Assange's problems.

He could not be tried until he returned to the USA so UK politicians and judges obliged Uncle Sam with the unlawful detention of Assange on trumped up charges.

The USA does not have lawful jurisdiction over foreigners acting outside the USA so it applies unlawful jurisdiction by kidnapping and unlawful transport of victims into US territory.

That is why the USA uses secret military courts because the action of detention of foreigners and kidnapping would not be acceptable to the US judicial system.

Where were the US Military computer mainframes that were hacked into to gain the information that Wikileaks leaked????

If they were in the US then Assange committed the crime on US soil.

Is it not the same when foreign hackers breach govt, companies data bases here in Australia?

Doesn't the AFP/ASIO seek assistance from other countries police forces & intelligence agencies to bring those responsible to justice?

So the US had a right to seek Assanges extradition.

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Reply #186 - Jun 30^th, 2024 at 11:01am

Aussie wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 9:16pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 8:42pm:

Great interview by ABC's 7.30 Sarah Ferguson, of MAGA- darling MT Greene; Marjorie has supported Assange for years because he "exposed lies of government".

The interview went well until Sarah attempted to change the subject to Trump.... the two ladies began sparring like prize fighters...Greene was feisty and held up well.

O dear, what confused bunnies we all are.

I might head to China, hope the government knows what it is doing, and shut up about politics.....

If you think Ferguson had her on to talk sweet, warm and cuddly about Assange, you might like a big steel bridge I have for sale in Sydney.

Green is a sitting duck. Easy meat, you just have to offer her the right lure, as Ferguson did, and she came right in to the Interview, thinking Ferguson was a tame Aussie pussy. She must not have seen Ferguson rip the arse out of "The Kraken."

Did it not also cross your mind that Green was espousing, lauding, championing the role of the media (Assange) in exposing stuff, yet when it came to her being asked questions about what she had been up to in the past and present, she sought to restrict the media?

I'll be posting that Interview on the Yank Forum as soon as iView has it up.

FMD.

Funnily I saw a clip of that ... Greene was having none of it ... & Ferguson got her arse ripped.

If you think Ferguson could dish up the same off topic shyte like Peccar does here bringing Trump into every post then you were mistaken.

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Reply #187 - Jun 30^th, 2024 at 11:05am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 10:02am:

Aussie wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 6:53pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 6:43pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jun 25^th, 2024 at 2:28pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 25^th, 2024 at 2:22pm:

Dunno what restrictions the Government can bung on him...he will be a free man having done his time.

Given he has now admitted to espionage, let's see if he's now considered a terrorist by the Australian government.

He was forced to admit espionage, to assuage the guilt of those exposed for conducting US war crimes, and to have any chance of ever returning home.

Why is he landing in Canberra?

I guess because it's our capital city, and half a dozen politicians - from Canberra - helped to get him home.

Would be weird if he landed in Adelaide Undecided

They may attend Parliament in Canberra but they are not necessarily "from" Canberra.

Albo is not from Canberra.

Rudd certainly isn't. Nor is he a politician.

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Reply #188 - Jun 30^th, 2024 at 11:07am

tickleandrose wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 12:11pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 7:39am:

Ironic that, while Yankists rant about freedom as if they invented the idea, now, through the Assange fiasco, their governance system is lumbered with having jeopardised press freedom and smearing the presumed sanctity and protections of their Constitution's 1st Amendment.

In this, Yankists acted no differently than China's CCP with its security laws.

Its the same everywhere. In Australia, we jailed David McBride for exposing war crimes in Afghanistan. And Witness K was convicted for exposing spying against the East Timor, in order to gain financial advantage for private companies like Woodside.

You're not referring to that mincing twat Alexander Downer? Grin

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Reply #190 - Jun 30^th, 2024 at 11:09am

Aussie wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 1:10pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 12:42pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 12:01pm:

Why would Albanese ring Assange, and more stupidly, make it public that he did?

For the huge political capital it would earn him.

Why else?

I think he has mis-read the room.

Again .... it seems to be his forte ever since he got the job.

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Reply #191 - Jun 30^th, 2024 at 11:18am

Aussie wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 3:36pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 3:32pm:

Ummm would’t they be KCs now? Betty is gone after all and Chuck is on the throne, not?

He was QC at the time. Many Barristers who were QCs kept the tag after she died. Others went on to the KC thing.

Did they also form a band?

Assange really has been the USs Boogie Man. Grin

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Reply #192 - Jun 30^th, 2024 at 12:18pm

Gnads wrote on Jun 30^th, 2024 at 11:05am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 10:02am:

Aussie wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 6:53pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 6:43pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jun 25^th, 2024 at 2:28pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 25^th, 2024 at 2:22pm:

Dunno what restrictions the Government can bung on him...he will be a free man having done his time.

Given he has now admitted to espionage, let's see if he's now considered a terrorist by the Australian government.

He was forced to admit espionage, to assuage the guilt of those exposed for conducting US war crimes, and to have any chance of ever returning home.

Why is he landing in Canberra?

I guess because it's our capital city, and half a dozen politicians - from Canberra - helped to get him home.

Would be weird if he landed in Adelaide Undecided

They may attend Parliament in Canberra ...

Yep, and they were there at the time.

Makes perfect sense for him to land in Canberra.

Where would you suggest: Alice Springs?

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Reply #193 - Jun 30^th, 2024 at 12:20pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30^th, 2024 at 12:18pm:

Gnads wrote on Jun 30^th, 2024 at 11:05am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 10:02am:

Aussie wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 6:53pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 6:43pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jun 25^th, 2024 at 2:28pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 25^th, 2024 at 2:22pm:

Dunno what restrictions the Government can bung on him...he will be a free man having done his time.

Given he has now admitted to espionage, let's see if he's now considered a terrorist by the Australian government.

He was forced to admit espionage, to assuage the guilt of those exposed for conducting US war crimes, and to have any chance of ever returning home.

Why is he landing in Canberra?

I guess because it's our capital city, and half a dozen politicians - from Canberra - helped to get him home.

Would be weird if he landed in Adelaide Undecided

They may attend Parliament in Canberra ...

Yep, and they were there at the time.

Makes perfect sense for him to land in Canberra.

Where would you suggest: Alice Springs?

Close to where he intends to reside?

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Reply #194 - Jun 30^th, 2024 at 12:25pm

Gnads wrote on Jun 30^th, 2024 at 12:20pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30^th, 2024 at 12:18pm:

Gnads wrote on Jun 30^th, 2024 at 11:05am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 10:02am:

Aussie wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 6:53pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 6:43pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jun 25^th, 2024 at 2:28pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 25^th, 2024 at 2:22pm:

Dunno what restrictions the Government can bung on him...he will be a free man having done his time.

Given he has now admitted to espionage, let's see if he's now considered a terrorist by the Australian government.

He was forced to admit espionage, to assuage the guilt of those exposed for conducting US war crimes, and to have any chance of ever returning home.

Why is he landing in Canberra?

I guess because it's our capital city, and half a dozen politicians - from Canberra - helped to get him home.

Would be weird if he landed in Adelaide Undecided

They may attend Parliament in Canberra ...

Yep, and they were there at the time.

Makes perfect sense for him to land in Canberra.

Where would you suggest: Alice Springs?

Close to where he intends to reside?

He would want to thank the 6 politicians in Canberra first.

Of all the things to argue about in regards to Assange, where his plane landed seems to be the least important of all.

In fact, it's just not important. A non-issue.

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