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Re: Assange
Reply #150 - Jun 27^th, 2024 at 3:43pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 3:36pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 3:27pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 2:59pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 2:55pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 2:53pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 2:49pm:

Last night on TV. ABC 24 -

a spokesperson for him said that all names were redacted from the
100s of 1000s of documents released so no one's life was put in jeopardy.
The US Govt said the opposite.
Who do you believe?

The US Federal judge in Saipan accepted that no one was harmed in the making of this US fiasco.

But I heard once that US soldiers had to go in and rescue
people in Afghanistan before they were murdered by the Taliban.

Was there any evidence published, or was it just Pentagon propaganda?

Pompeo himself, mused aloud that it would be in US national interests for US agents to murder Assange.

QCs are not in the habit of lying to the UK's High Court.

Link.

Could they get into the habit of parroting "in good faith" what their masters demand of them, what the political situation demands or what serves in their opinion the 'greater good of the nation'?

While Lawyers do act in accordance with the instructions of their client, they will not parrot patent rubbish. On this sort of issue, I'd expect that QC would have made the US establish some basis for the assertion, and he would not have told the High Court anything he had misgivings about being false. It's a fine line. We don't expect proof positive but if someone told me that today was Monday and they wanted me to tell a Court that, I'd at least check the calendar.

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Reply #151 - Jun 27^th, 2024 at 3:47pm

I've found the smoking gun:

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2011/sep/02/wikileaks-publishes-cache-unredact...

WikiLeaks publishes full cache of unredacted cables

This article is more than 12 years old
Former media partners condemn WikiLeaks' decision
to make public documents identifying activists and whistleblowers.

WikiLeaks has published its full archive of 251,000 secret US diplomatic cables, without redactions, potentially exposing thousands of individuals named in the documents to detention, harm or putting their lives in danger.

The move has been strongly condemned by the five previous media partners – the Guardian, New York Times, El Pais, Der Spiegel and Le Monde – who have worked with WikiLeaks publishing carefully selected and redacted documents.

"We deplore the decision of WikiLeaks to publish the unredacted state department cables, which may put sources at risk," the organisations said in a joint statement.

"Our previous dealings with WikiLeaks were on the clear basis that we would only publish cables which had been subjected to a thorough joint editing and clearance process. We will continue to defend our previous collaborative publishing endeavour. We cannot defend the needless publication of the complete data – indeed, we are united in condemning it.

"The decision to publish by Julian Assange was his, and his alone."

Diplomats, governments, human rights charities and media organisations had urged WikiLeaks's founder, Assange, not to publish the full cache of cables without careful source protection.

The newly published archive contains more than 1,000 cables identifying individual activists; several thousand labelled with a tag used by the US to mark sources it believes could be placed in danger; and more than 150 specifically mentioning whistleblowers.

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Re: Assange
Reply #152 - Jun 27^th, 2024 at 3:48pm

Bobby. wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 3:41pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 3:37pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 2:49pm:

Last night on TV. ABC 24 -

a spokesperson for him said that all names were redacted from the
100s of 1000s of documents released so no one's life was put in jeopardy.
The US Govt said the opposite.
Who do you believe?

That's bullshit
I recall at the time he was interviewed about it and he said there was so much information going through wiki that he simply was unable to redact or even check it for names. It was that interview that first turned me against his cause. He's just a glory hound looking to get his name up in lights.

It sounds like Assange's spokesperson is a liar.

Why?

What evidence was published that any names were released to the public?

It's been a gotcha used by the Pentagon for years to say that they can't release information corroborating their 'in harm's way' assertion - not even to the DoJ, eh!! The DoJ conceded to various courts that no one was killed or harmed by the leaks and no evidence of moving people out of harm's way due to the leaks has ever been provided to them by the Pentagon or the CIA.

All we have is the word of the Pentagon and the CIA whose seniors were apparently considering murdering Assange.

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 39802 Gender:	Re: Assange Reply #153 - Jun 27^th, 2024 at 3:55pm Ooops...see the Post by Bobby, just above yours.
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 120140 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Assange Reply #154 - Jun 27^th, 2024 at 4:04pm Aussie wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 3:55pm: Ooops...see the Post by Bobby, just above yours. he did put 1000s of people in jeopardy.
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 120140 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Assange Reply #155 - Jun 27^th, 2024 at 4:30pm I watched ABC 24 news many months ago. Someone said that US soldiers had to go on rescue missions in Afghanistan to prevent people named by Assange from being murdered by the Taliban. They had to act quickly and it was only that swift action that saved their lives.
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Reply #156 - Jun 27^th, 2024 at 4:44pm

'In its latest issue published today, New Idea said it was sorry it was not "alert to the possible ramifications" of running the story about Harry's secret tour of duty, which appeared in the magazine and on its website in January'
https://www.smh.com.au/national/new-idea-says-sorry-for-running-harry-story-2008...

sorry about all that, said Assange.

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Reply #157 - Jun 27^th, 2024 at 5:26pm

While Washington has often called Assange's actions reckless and claimed they put its agents at risk, the judge noted that the United States could not identify any personal victim from them.

"There's another significant fact - the government has indicated there is no personal victim here. That tells me the dissemination of this information did not result in any known physical injury," the judge said.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us-state-department-says-julian-assanges-actions-p...

The so-called rescue missions were 100% successful, eh! And Vietnam was actually a great US victory, no doubt!

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 15426 Armidale Gender:	Re: Assange Reply #158 - Jun 27^th, 2024 at 5:32pm Prisoners of the Australian army didn't get off so well. There is great concern for their well-being.
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Re: Assange
Reply #159 - Jun 27^th, 2024 at 5:47pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 5:26pm:

While Washington has often called Assange's actions reckless and claimed they put its agents at risk, the judge noted that the United States could not identify any personal victim from them.

"There's another significant fact - the government has indicated there is no personal victim here. That tells me the dissemination of this information did not result in any known physical injury," the judge said.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us-state-department-says-julian-assanges-actions-p...

The so-called rescue missions were 100% successful, eh! And Vietnam was actually a great US victory, no doubt!

And on the Vietnam theme, how many Afghani allies did the US abandon to their fate during and after its Saigon-style exit from Afghanistan?

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Reply #160 - Jun 27^th, 2024 at 5:50pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 5:26pm:

While Washington has often called Assange's actions reckless and claimed they put its agents at risk, the judge noted that the United States could not identify any personal victim from them.

"There's another significant fact - the government has indicated there is no personal victim here. That tells me the dissemination of this information did not result in any known physical injury," the judge said.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us-state-department-says-julian-assanges-actions-p...

The so-called rescue missions were 100% successful, eh! And Vietnam was actually a great US victory, no doubt!

That the state department was able to pull them out REGARDLESS of Assange, is pure luck on his part. He was criminally reckless and had no qualms about endangering anyone else just to feed his own ego

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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Reply #161 - Jun 27^th, 2024 at 5:54pm

John Smith wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 5:50pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 5:26pm:

While Washington has often called Assange's actions reckless and claimed they put its agents at risk, the judge noted that the United States could not identify any personal victim from them.

"There's another significant fact - the government has indicated there is no personal victim here. That tells me the dissemination of this information did not result in any known physical injury," the judge said.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us-state-department-says-julian-assanges-actions-p...

The so-called rescue missions were 100% successful, eh! And Vietnam was actually a great US victory, no doubt!

That the state department was able to pull them out REGARDLESS of Assange, is pure luck on his part. He was criminally reckless and had no qualms about endangering anyone else just to feed his own ego

That the state department said it pulled them out...

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Reply #162 - Jun 27^th, 2024 at 7:36pm

As Robert Gates said of Wikileaks over a decade ago, 'None of what WikiLeaks published would be a surprise to any nation, nor would it be a deterrent from turning to the US. They turn to the US, and will continue to turn to the US, not because they trust us, but because they need us'.

Assange didn't recklessly expose the unbelievable, he revealed the obvious.

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Reply #163 - Jun 27^th, 2024 at 8:03pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 5:54pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 5:50pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 5:26pm:

While Washington has often called Assange's actions reckless and claimed they put its agents at risk, the judge noted that the United States could not identify any personal victim from them.

"There's another significant fact - the government has indicated there is no personal victim here. That tells me the dissemination of this information did not result in any known physical injury," the judge said.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us-state-department-says-julian-assanges-actions-p...

The so-called rescue missions were 100% successful, eh! And Vietnam was actually a great US victory, no doubt!

That the state department was able to pull them out REGARDLESS of Assange, is pure luck on his part. He was criminally reckless and had no qualms about endangering anyone else just to feed his own ego

That the state department said it pulled them out...

If they hadn't? Would Assange be willing to stand trial for manslaughter?

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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 15426 Armidale Gender:	Re: Assange Reply #164 - Jun 27^th, 2024 at 8:11pm yes, he'd be acquitted.
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