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"We don't want Aid. We want you to stop the war."
Jun 10^th, 2024 at 8:13am

"We don't want Aid.
We want you to stop the war."

- a very desperate Gazan man, on Al Jazeera this morning

The Gazan conflict can end tomorrow.

Hamas could end the war in Gaza tomorrow,
.....if its commanders wanted to spare ordinary Gazans.

THE ONLY THING...... Hamas must do to end the war, is to openly declare that Hamas will stop killing Israelis.

And stop the shooting, and the rockets into Israel.

But Hamas has not declared that it will stop killing Israelis,
AND HAMAS NEVER WILL DECLARE THAT.

"A war never ends by one side declaring victory, but by one side admitting defeat."

- Ahmad Shah Massoud

Respect.

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It is NOT about land.

The followers of ISLAM want you to believe, that it is about land.

That, is about ISLAMIC PR, for the world looking on.

It is NOT about land.

The conflict in Gaza is not about a small strip of land.

It is not about Gaza.

It is not about the 'West Bank'.

The conflict in Gaza is about THE RELIGION of the Jews.

THE RELIGION of the Jews is haram [i.e. forbidden].

The cause of all of the wars against Israel,
were because,
Jews are NOT followers of ISLAM.

THE KORAN......

"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him;...."
Koran 3.85

"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

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For the moslems in conflict with 'Israel', the conflict, is about religion.

It is not about land.

Hamas, means, ISLAMIC Resistance Movement

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Re: "We don't want Aid. We want you to stop the war."
Reply #1 - Jun 10^th, 2024 at 8:45am

This HAMAS fighter is declaring his hatred for the Zionists.

This guy is simply fulfilling his religious obligation to his faith, and to Allah,
to declare his hatred of the infidels [Zionists, at this time].

This MILITANT is a virtuous follower of ISLAM.

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Hamas are fighting Israelis .......because they can,
AND because it makes good PR.

Because for many groups around the world today, support for the 'Palestinians', is a 'popular cause'.

And Hamas is successfully concealing the truth from the world.

The truth that their conflict with Israel/Israelis, is motivated by their ISLAMIC hatred for this local sovereign state,
inhabited and governed by 'disbelievers'.

And that TRUTH, is why the Hamas conflict against the Israelis can never end.

Hamas, means, ISLAMIC Resistance Movement

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Reply #2 - Jun 10^th, 2024 at 11:34am

But note: the world except the US and Israel wants justice for Palestinians who were deprived of half their land by a UN vote in 1947.

Solution: create the Palestinian state NOW, and end the war, despite the howls from the 'Chosen People' and 'Promised Land' ideologues currently illegally occupying the WB.

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Reply #3 - Jun 10^th, 2024 at 11:35am

The war can stop today if Hamas gets in contact with the ICRC and says it wants to hand over all the hostages and requests the ICRC to facilitate the transfer.

They kidnapped these people on 7 October 2023. Prior to this kidnapping, Gaza was functioning. There was a free flow of 500+ trucks full of food, fuel and other goods. The supermarkets had food, the bakeries were operating. They even had cafes and restaurants.

7 October changed all of this.

Don't believe me? Take a walking tour of Gaza before the war.

WALKING TOUR OF GAZA (YouTube): youtu.be/PMcPrjc7YVM

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Reply #4 - Jun 10^th, 2024 at 11:59am

MattE wrote on Jun 10^th, 2024 at 11:35am:

The war can stop today if Hamas gets in contact with the ICRC and says it wants to hand over all the hostages and requests the ICRC to facilitate the transfer.

Wrong. The war can only stop if Israel accepts UN res 242, or rather, the US stops blocking the implementation of UN res 242.

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They kidnapped these people on 7 October 2023.

....part of the ongoing conflict which began when the UN voted to partition Palestine in 1947.

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Reply #5 - Jun 10^th, 2024 at 12:02pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 10^th, 2024 at 11:59am:

MattE wrote on Jun 10^th, 2024 at 11:35am:

The war can stop today if Hamas gets in contact with the ICRC and says it wants to hand over all the hostages and requests the ICRC to facilitate the transfer.

Wrong. The war can only stop if Israel accepts UN res 242, or rather, the US stops blocking its adoption.

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They kidnapped these people on 7 October 2023.

....part of the ongoing conflict which began when the UN voted to partition Palestine in 1947.

According to the CCP, war stems from incorrect paperwork. Paperwork is the answer to world peace.

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Reply #6 - Jun 10^th, 2024 at 12:08pm

freediver wrote on Jun 10^th, 2024 at 12:02pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 10^th, 2024 at 11:59am:

MattE wrote on Jun 10^th, 2024 at 11:35am:

The war can stop today if Hamas gets in contact with the ICRC and says it wants to hand over all the hostages and requests the ICRC to facilitate the transfer.

Wrong. The war can only stop if Israel accepts UN res 242, or rather, the US stops blocking its adoption.

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They kidnapped these people on 7 October 2023.

....part of the ongoing conflict which began when the UN voted to partition Palestine in 1947.

According to the CCP, war stems from incorrect paperwork. Paperwork is the answer to world peace.

No: war stems from opposing ideologies in the absence of an international rules based system. Do try to think clearly.
Unfortunately for you, Taiwan is part of China, under international (UN) law. The UN won't vote to partition China, unlike when the UN voted to partition Palestine, which is the cause of the present ongoing ME war.

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Reply #7 - Jun 10^th, 2024 at 12:16pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 10^th, 2024 at 12:08pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 10^th, 2024 at 12:02pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 10^th, 2024 at 11:59am:

MattE wrote on Jun 10^th, 2024 at 11:35am:

The war can stop today if Hamas gets in contact with the ICRC and says it wants to hand over all the hostages and requests the ICRC to facilitate the transfer.

Wrong. The war can only stop if Israel accepts UN res 242, or rather, the US stops blocking its adoption.

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They kidnapped these people on 7 October 2023.

....part of the ongoing conflict which began when the UN voted to partition Palestine in 1947.

According to the CCP, war stems from incorrect paperwork. Paperwork is the answer to world peace.

No: war stems from opposing ideologies in the absence of an international rules based system. Do try to think clearly.
Unfortunately for you, Taiwan is part of China, under international (UN) law. The UN won't vote to partition China, unlike when the UN voted to partition Palestine, which is the cause of the present ongoing ME war.

And when the government starves 50 million of it's own citizens to death by trying to feed them all equally, its just an administrative error. Mao ticked the wrong box. The CCP is a meritocracy. It only selects the most competent leaders.

Palestine cannot possibly establish itself as a country. Taiwan might get the wrong idea. It's all America's fault.

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Reply #8 - Jun 10^th, 2024 at 1:05pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 10^th, 2024 at 11:59am:

MattE wrote on Jun 10^th, 2024 at 11:35am:

The war can stop today if Hamas gets in contact with the ICRC and says it wants to hand over all the hostages and requests the ICRC to facilitate the transfer.

Wrong. The war can only stop if Israel accepts UN res 242, or rather, the US stops blocking the implementation of UN res 242.

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They kidnapped these people on 7 October 2023.

....part of the ongoing conflict which began when the UN voted to partition Palestine in 1947.

So the conflict is due to a UN resolution.
The solution to that is another UN resolution.

This calls for an immediate resolution, so I move that the UN resolve that ...

And so the long day wore on....

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Re: "We don't want Aid. We want you to stop the war."
Reply #9 - Jun 10^th, 2024 at 1:06pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 10^th, 2024 at 11:59am:

MattE wrote on Jun 10^th, 2024 at 11:35am:

The war can stop today if Hamas gets in contact with the ICRC and says it wants to hand over all the hostages and requests the ICRC to facilitate the transfer.

Wrong. The war can only stop if Israel accepts UN res 242, or rather, the US stops blocking the implementation of UN res 242.

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They kidnapped these people on 7 October 2023.

....part of the ongoing conflict which began when the UN voted to partition Palestine in 1947.

The war must continue then.

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Reply #10 - Jun 10^th, 2024 at 4:47pm

Dr. Eli David

Two decades ago Gaza was given full autonomy. With tens of billions in aid, they could have turned Gaza into Dubai.
Instead, they built terror tunnels. They celebrated and took part in massacre and kidnapping, and held hostages in their homes.

Stop whining. Palestinians can blame only themselves.

https://x.com/DrEliDavid/status/1799794009608683539

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UnSubRocky Gold Member Offline Crocodile Hunter: Origins Posts: 25393 Rockhampton Gender:	Re: "We don't want Aid. We want you to stop the war." Reply #11 - Jun 10^th, 2024 at 6:15pm Someone said that if Hamas stopped fighting, the war would be over. If the Israelis stopped fighting, there would be no more Israel. I don't like either side, but I would be on the side of the Israelis much more so than the Hamas.
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Reply #12 - Jun 10^th, 2024 at 10:57pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 10^th, 2024 at 11:34am:

But note: the world except the US and Israel wants justice for Palestinians who were deprived of half their land by a UN vote in 1947.

Solution: create the Palestinian state NOW, and end the war, despite the howls from the 'Chosen People' and 'Promised Land' ideologues currently illegally occupying the WB.

QUESTION;
What is the 'ummah' ?

Do you know what it is ???

The ummah, IS, the worldwide nation of ISLAM.

Dictionary definition;
umma = = the whole community of Muslims bound together by ties of religion.

QUESTION;
And if they could [if they ARE actually able to] why wouldn't the ummah
[the worldwide community of moslems, 'bound together by ties of religion'],
give the 'homeless' 'Palestinians' refuge within the boundaries of all of the moslem majority nations, in the Middle East ?

CONSIDER;
Other moslem majority nations, in the Middle East >> could [easily] << give the 'homeless' 'Palestinians' 'refuge',
AND then absorb them into their own moslem population.

But they will not.

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Q.
"Oh my brother, why won't our moslem brothers give us refuge within their rich countries ??"

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"Because my brother, we are Jihadists and warriors of ISLAM.

And our convenient 'homelessness' is a 'Jihadi' stick....with which we can repeatedly beat the Israelis,
again and again,
in front of the whole world."

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Yadda said.......
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1708926080/14#14
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At the end of hostilities, at the end of WWII, there were perhaps hundreds of thousands of what were termed, 'displaced persons' in Europe, because of the upheaval which WWII caused,
were unable to return to their homes lands.

Today, we see no remnant of those WWII 'displaced persons'.

QUESTION;
Were did all of those hundreds of thousands of displaced persons, go ?

ANSWER;
They were >> all << absorbed, ....all of them, ....by nations who were willing to give them sanctuary.

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Reply #13 - Jun 10^th, 2024 at 11:11pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 10^th, 2024 at 11:34am:

But note: the world except the US and Israel wants justice for Palestinians who were deprived of half their land by a UN vote in 1947.

Solution: create the Palestinian state NOW, and end the war, despite the howls from the 'Chosen People' and 'Promised Land' ideologues currently illegally occupying the WB.

CONSIDER;
The ummah,
the worldwide community of moslems, 'bound together by ties of religion',
at this point of time,
possess DOZENS of moslem majority nations, in the Middle East.

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Q.
Aside from,
the state of Israel,
how many Jewish homeland nations in the world are there ?

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Jeremiah 16:14
Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that it shall no more be said, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;
15 But, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north, and from all the lands whither he had driven them: and I will bring them again into their land that I gave unto their fathers.

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Reply #14 - Jun 10^th, 2024 at 11:33pm

MattE wrote on Jun 10^th, 2024 at 11:35am:

The war can stop today if Hamas gets in contact with the ICRC and says it wants to hand over all the hostages and requests the ICRC to facilitate the transfer.

They kidnapped these people on 7 October 2023. Prior to this kidnapping, Gaza was functioning. There was a free flow of 500+ trucks full of food, fuel and other goods. The supermarkets had food, the bakeries were operating. They even had cafes and restaurants.

7 October changed all of this.

Don't believe me? Take a walking tour of Gaza before the war.

WALKING TOUR OF GAZA (YouTube): youtu.be/PMcPrjc7YVM

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By their actions, Hamas and Hezbollah DEMONSTRATE DAILY,
that they,
DO NOT DESIRE A CESSATION OF HOSTILITIES WITH ISRAEL.

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Since 'Oct 7', Hamas and Hezbollah have fired > 17,500 missiles into Israel.

Source, below @02.20

It’s time for moral clarity:
Netanyahu spokeswoman

06 min
June 10th, 2024

https://www.bitchute.com/video/cW6jOoergnU/

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