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Reply #135 - Jun 16^th, 2024 at 9:18pm

freediver wrote on Jun 16^th, 2024 at 9:10pm:

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The warming bit of the idiotic slogan was replaced some years ago already by 'climate change'.

Because the internet became full of morons saying things like frost this morning, therefor no global warming.

BTW, it is still global warming.

It's sly propaganda. The work of public relations spivs. Certainly not scientific.

Just look at ANY challenge to the narrative- it's medieval, hell and brimstone 'how very dare you'. That's not reasoning, that is not dispassionate science.
That's religious, righteous fervour. Mad *&^*ing monks in latter day lab coats - with the hoof is still showing.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 19803 Gender:	Re: Coalition To Dump Australia's Climate Target Reply #136 - Jun 16^th, 2024 at 9:41pm freediver wrote on Jun 16^th, 2024 at 8:50pm: Do you have a point, or are you just yet again demonstrating your ability to copy and paste things you do not understand? The point is that you don't understand AGW at all.
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Re: Coalition To Dump Australia's Climate Target
Reply #137 - Jun 17^th, 2024 at 8:55am

The latest Resolve political survey revealed Mr Dutton held a narrow lead with 36 per cent of voters support, slightly ahead of Mr Albanese’s 35 per cent.

It comes after the Liberal leader sharply rejected Labor’s climate policy last week, vowing to abandon its interim legislated carbon emissions target to focus on the economy.

The results of the poll, conducted for the Sydney Morning Herald and the Age, surveyed over 1,600 eligible voters last week.

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Re: Coalition To Dump Australia's Climate Target
Reply #138 - Jun 17^th, 2024 at 10:28am

Frank wrote on Jun 16^th, 2024 at 9:07pm:

The warming bit of the idiotic slogan was replaced some years ago already by 'climate change'. So If this year is not like the last - climate change!!

The messaging has to be changed for the lowest common denominator, like the "warning hot" on coffee cups.

Those like you need the short bus treatment.

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Re: Coalition To Dump Australia's Climate Target
Reply #139 - Jun 17^th, 2024 at 10:51am

Frank wrote on Jun 16^th, 2024 at 9:18pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 16^th, 2024 at 9:10pm:

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The warming bit of the idiotic slogan was replaced some years ago already by 'climate change'.

Because the internet became full of morons saying things like frost this morning, therefor no global warming.

BTW, it is still global warming.

It's sly propaganda. The work of public relations spivs. Certainly not scientific.

Just look at ANY challenge to the narrative- it's medieval, hell and brimstone 'how very dare you'. That's not reasoning, that is not dispassionate science.
That's religious, righteous fervour. Mad *&^*ing monks in latter day lab coats - with the hoof is still showing.

How is it "sly propaganda" to call it climate change rather than global warming? Both terms are correct.

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Re: Coalition To Dump Australia's Climate Target
Reply #140 - Jun 17^th, 2024 at 12:37pm

Frank wrote on Jun 17^th, 2024 at 8:55am:

The latest Resolve political survey revealed Mr Dutton held a narrow lead with 36 per cent of voters support, slightly ahead of Mr Albanese’s 35 per cent.

It comes after the Liberal leader sharply rejected Labor’s climate policy last week, vowing to abandon its interim legislated carbon emissions target to focus on the economy.

The results of the poll, conducted for the Sydney Morning Herald and the Age, surveyed over 1,600 eligible voters last week.

The things you can achieve with the almost full media landscape on your side.

Dutton's climate policy, if you can even call it that, is not being questioned, only parroted.

It would not last the day if exposed to 1% of what is being asked of Labor.

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Re: Coalition To Dump Australia's Climate Target
Reply #141 - Jun 17^th, 2024 at 12:43pm

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 17^th, 2024 at 12:37pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 17^th, 2024 at 8:55am:

The latest Resolve political survey revealed Mr Dutton held a narrow lead with 36 per cent of voters support, slightly ahead of Mr Albanese’s 35 per cent.

It comes after the Liberal leader sharply rejected Labor’s climate policy last week, vowing to abandon its interim legislated carbon emissions target to focus on the economy.

The results of the poll, conducted for the Sydney Morning Herald and the Age, surveyed over 1,600 eligible voters last week.

The things you can achieve with the almost full media landscape on your side.

Dutton's climate policy, if you can even call it that, is not being questioned, only parroted.

It would not last the day if exposed to 1% of what is being asked of Labor.

And yes, I realise they're in opposition, but they're not even facing the same level of scrutiny Labor did in opposition.

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Re: Coalition To Dump Australia's Climate Target
Reply #142 - Jun 17^th, 2024 at 1:00pm

lee wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 2:11pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 2:09pm:

Labor and the Greens introduced the cheapest, most economically rational way to reduce GHG emissions.

As opposed to the cheapest most economically rational way to provide reliable electricity. Wink

Given the universal acceptance (the entire UN membership) of the AGW science - yes.

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Reply #143 - Jun 17^th, 2024 at 1:15pm

Frank wrote on Jun 17^th, 2024 at 8:55am:

The latest Resolve political survey revealed Mr Dutton held a narrow lead with 36 per cent of voters support, slightly ahead of Mr Albanese’s 35 per cent.

It comes after the Liberal leader sharply rejected Labor’s climate policy last week, vowing to abandon its interim legislated carbon emissions target to focus on the economy.

The results of the poll, conducted for the Sydney Morning Herald and the Age, surveyed over 1,600 eligible voters last week.

Labor is making a lot of mistakes in the cost of living crisis; re this thread's subject, Labor should defuse Dutton's nuclear push by saying 'alright, let the private sector fund it, without government subsidies', while the government gets on with funding - as fast as possible - the green transition with government-created money (as opposed to debt-bearing, private bank-created money).

Won't be too many nuclear investors in that scenario....

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 19803 Gender:	Re: Coalition To Dump Australia's Climate Target Reply #144 - Jun 17^th, 2024 at 1:37pm thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 17^th, 2024 at 1:00pm: Given the universal acceptance (the entire UN membership) of the AGW science - yes. You do realise the UN are not scientists? Remember Guterres "Ocean boiling" at 100ºF? The UN is full of unelected plutocrats.
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Reply #145 - Jun 17^th, 2024 at 4:21pm

lee wrote on Jun 17^th, 2024 at 1:37pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 17^th, 2024 at 1:00pm:

Given the universal acceptance (the entire UN membership) of the AGW science - yes.

You do realise the UN are not scientists?

Your crippled conservative brain... AGAIN?

The UN accept the findings and policy recommendations of AGW scientists - reinforced as the climate indeed appears to be turning VERY nasty, all around the world.

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Remember Guterres "Ocean boiling" at 100ºF? Grin

The UN is full of unelected plutocrats.

People chosen by individual nations to represent those nations in the UN.

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Re: Coalition To Dump Australia's Climate Target
Reply #146 - Jun 17^th, 2024 at 4:27pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 17^th, 2024 at 4:21pm:

The UN accept the findings and policy recommendations of AGW scientists - reinforced as the climate indeed appears to be turning VERY nasty, all around the world.

And yet you never cite what these nasties are. Why is that? The IPCC, a UN organisation disagrees with you. So crippled brain, you tell us. Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 17^th, 2024 at 4:21pm:

People chosen by individual nations to represent those nations in the UN.

So unelected as I said. Wink

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Reply #147 - Jun 18^th, 2024 at 1:50pm

lee wrote on Jun 17^th, 2024 at 4:27pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 17^th, 2024 at 4:21pm:

The UN accept the findings and policy recommendations of AGW scientists - reinforced as the climate indeed appears to be turning VERY nasty, all around the world.

And yet you never cite what these nasties are.

Another question from a crippled conservative brain.

The nasties are the increasing climate AGW catastrophes noted previously.

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The IPCC, a UN organisation disagrees with you. So crippled brain, you tell us. Grin

Yes, your crippled conservative brain again:

https://www.un.org/en/climatechange/reports?gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwvb-zBhCmA...

UNFCCC | NDC Synthesis Report
National climate action plans remain insufficient to limit global temperature rise to 1.5 degrees Celsius and meet the goals of the Paris Agreement.
Read the report

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So unelected as I said. Wink

Ah.... the crippled conservative brain thinks only people who are elected by the non-scientific electorate are legitimate, when a nation's representatives chosen by consensus are more likely to be better qualified for the job.

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Re: Coalition To Dump Australia's Climate Target
Reply #148 - Jun 18^th, 2024 at 3:10pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 18^th, 2024 at 1:50pm:

The nasties are the increasing climate AGW catastrophes noted previously.

Which ones? Stop hiding. You haven't proclaimed any that I have not shot down using the IPCC AR6 Physical Science Basis. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 18^th, 2024 at 1:50pm:

UNFCCC | NDC Synthesis Report
National climate action plans remain insufficient to limit global temperature rise to 1.5 degrees Celsius and meet the goals of the Paris Agreement.
Read the report

Oh Nationally Determined Contributions? You mean the ones all the climate states are failing?

And Simon Stiell? a Grenadier Politician. NO AGW science at all. He is a Telecommunications Engineer. I thought you were talking about AGW scientists. Grin

He has also said we have TWO years to save the planet. Talk about unreachable goals. Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 18^th, 2024 at 1:50pm:

Ah.... the crippled conservative brain thinks only people who are elected by the non-scientific electorate are legitimate, when a nation's representatives chosen by consensus are more likely to be better qualified for the job.

So tell us more about those elected by "consensus". Who was elected for Australia, for example? Kristin Tilley is a Public Service wonk, with no discernible education in science. Wink

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Daves2017 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2913 Gender:	Re: Coalition To Dump Australia's Climate Target Reply #149 - Jun 18^th, 2024 at 3:33pm Thank you Lee for taking the time to point out the inconsistency
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