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Sir Eoin O Fada

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Re: Australians back war crimes probe,Q+A/YouGov poll
Reply #15 - Jun 4^th, 2024 at 9:55am

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 9:06pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 6:27pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 2:09pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 1:58pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 1:40pm:

Australians back war crimes probe, waver on Ukraine and worry for US, according to Q+A/YouGov poll Cool

So a survey of 1,500 people out of a voting age base of 21,500,000 tells us that a majority is of Australians support something; I dare to differ.

Then you do not understand Statistics and how people's opinions are measured, Eugene. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

But I do,Brian, and having been involved with the ABC and their methods I understand only to well.
Opinion polls often get it so wrong as to be hilarious.

I well remember a filmed feature that they did and I instructed the participants to never answer yes to any questions but to insist on giving an answer, result it never went to air as the answers couldn’t be twisted to suit the agenda.

I did the statistical programming for a public opinion poll run as part of the ANU for five years. I used to handle terabytes of data from thousands of respondents contacted through the electoral rolls and via mail. We did not "weigh" our results, we did not use paid various respondents, they did it all out of the goodness of their hearts. I understand more than most people how to "fix" results and why academics do things that they do. So, please, don't treat me as a fool, Eugene. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

I’m not treating you as a fool, Brian, but as you say above results can be fixed, so we agree.

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Laugh till you cry Gold Member Offline Posts: 16619 In your happy place Gender:	Re: Australians back war crimes probe,Q+A/YouGov poll Reply #16 - Jun 4^th, 2024 at 9:59am Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 9:55am: I’m not treating you as a fool, Brian, but as you say above results can be fixed, so we agree. The strategy of a scoundrel, feigning bogus agreement.
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Re: Australians back war crimes probe,Q+A/YouGov poll
Reply #17 - Jun 4^th, 2024 at 10:01am

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 12:49am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 1:58pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 1:40pm:

Australians back war crimes probe, waver on Ukraine and worry for US, according to Q+A/YouGov poll Cool

So a survey of 1,500 people out of a voting age base of 21,500,000 tells us that a majority is of Australians support something; I dare to differ.

In Brian's defence, he did say "Australians back war crimes probe...". Not "the majority of all Australians back war crimes probe". Looking at the pie chart, the question seems reasonable about the idea of arresting Hamas leader and/or the Israeli PM if there was enough evidence of war crimes. A sample of 1500 voters gives a small idea of which way Australians might lean on those issues.

Brian didn’t say that, it ways the headline in the reference and clearly implied the majority.

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Re: Australians back war crimes probe,Q+A/YouGov poll
Reply #18 - Jun 4^th, 2024 at 12:10pm

Frank wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 8:19pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 8:12pm:

All Australian Jews who served in IDF and operated war machines, weapons, and munitions against Palestinians should be arrested and charged with mass murder and genocide on their return to Australia.

Mohammed "gollywog" Throbbo does international law.

Still, good to see Wong resisting neanderthal Dutton's call to pull out of the ICC.

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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 33412 Gender:	Re: Australians back war crimes probe,Q+A/YouGov poll Reply #19 - Jun 4^th, 2024 at 7:32pm Brian Ross wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 1:40pm: Australians back war crimes probe, waver on Ukraine and worry for US, according to Q+A/YouGov poll No ... like the Voice BS ..the majority of Australians do not.
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Re: Australians back war crimes probe,Q+A/YouGov poll
Reply #20 - Jun 4^th, 2024 at 7:33pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 2:05pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 1:58pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 1:40pm:

Australians back war crimes probe, waver on Ukraine and worry for US, according to Q+A/YouGov poll Cool

So a survey of 1,500 people out of a voting age base of 21,500,000 tells us that a majority is of Australians support something; I dare to differ.

Sir Eoin O Fada is a professional, practiced, habitual liar. I can't prove he is paid to lie because his work appears worthless, not even qualifying for useful idiot class.

"voting age base of 21,500,000" is so evidently and starkly wrong it cannot be anything but a deliberate lie.

https://www.aec.gov.au/Enrolling_to_vote/Enrolment_stats/national/2022.htm

You're the biggest lair & terrorist supporting Jew hater here. piss off

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Re: Australians back war crimes probe,Q+A/YouGov poll
Reply #21 - Jun 4^th, 2024 at 7:37pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 8:12pm:

All Australian Jews who served in IDF and operated war machines, weapons, and munitions against Palestinians should be arrested and charged with mass murder and genocide on their return to Australia.

You should be arrested for anti Semitic hate speech and sedition.

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Re: Australians back war crimes probe,Q+A/YouGov poll
Reply #22 - Jun 4^th, 2024 at 7:59pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 12:10pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 8:19pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 8:12pm:

All Australian Jews who served in IDF and operated war machines, weapons, and munitions against Palestinians should be arrested and charged with mass murder and genocide on their return to Australia.

Mohammed "gollywog" Throbbo does international law.

Still, good to see Wong resisting neanderthal Dutton's call to pull out of the ICC.

The ICC, like you, is a farce.

To equate a democratic country under attack with a proscribed terrorist outfitthat attacked it is ludicrous and/or wilfully evil. Also like you and throbbo gollywog.

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 58597 Gender:	Re: Australians back war crimes probe,Q+A/YouGov poll Reply #24 - Jun 4^th, 2024 at 10:10pm Brian Ross wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 10:03pm: https://i.gifer.com/Xuw0.gif Oh, here's moron not yawning for a change but impersonating a ****ING cat. Can you do balloon dogs, bozo the clown?
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Re: Australians back war crimes probe,Q+A/YouGov poll
Reply #25 - Jun 4^th, 2024 at 10:10pm

Frank wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 7:59pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 12:10pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 8:19pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 8:12pm:

All Australian Jews who served in IDF and operated war machines, weapons, and munitions against Palestinians should be arrested and charged with mass murder and genocide on their return to Australia.

Mohammed "gollywog" Throbbo does international law.

Still, good to see Wong resisting neanderthal Dutton's call to pull out of the ICC.

The ICC, like you, is a farce.

To equate a democratic country under attack with a proscribed terrorist outfitthat attacked it is ludicrous and/or wilfully evil. Also like you and throbbo gollywog.

Israel is a terrorist state that murders children and women and commits genocide.

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Re: Australians back war crimes probe,Q+A/YouGov poll
Reply #26 - Jun 4^th, 2024 at 10:33pm

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 10:01am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 12:49am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 1:58pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 1:40pm:

Australians back war crimes probe, waver on Ukraine and worry for US, according to Q+A/YouGov poll Cool

So a survey of 1,500 people out of a voting age base of 21,500,000 tells us that a majority is of Australians support something; I dare to differ.

In Brian's defence, he did say "Australians back war crimes probe...". Not "the majority of all Australians back war crimes probe". Looking at the pie chart, the question seems reasonable about the idea of arresting Hamas leader and/or the Israeli PM if there was enough evidence of war crimes. A sample of 1500 voters gives a small idea of which way Australians might lean on those issues.

Brian didn’t say that, it ways the headline in the reference and clearly implied the majority.

He did not imply the majority. Brian can rest upon the fact that he typed in "Australians back war crime probe" in the subject heading. You know, if 25% of the respondents said that they backed a war time probe, the subject heading would still be valid.

That said, it is a sample of 1500+ respondents that we are relying upon for an idea of how the Australian community feel. If it was 10,000 respondents taken from people of all walks of life, of all age groups, city regional and rural, we would have a much higher degree of confidence about the accuracy.

If the poll conducted was at some university by some 1500 students in Sydney, yeah, I would be very skeptical to the results. It would be considered a waste of a poll.

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