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Reply #90 - Jun 18^th, 2025 at 4:38pm

aquascoot wrote on Jun 18^th, 2025 at 4:21pm:

Poor old marsupial has been swallowing Hamas propaganda.

Israel doesn't target civilians.

But hamas want as many dead as possible.
How many civilians have been allowed to shelter in the underground tunnels ( like where Londoners went during the blitz)

Imagine Churchill saying " no civilians in the underground tunnels".

Now go away and have a think about it Roll Eyes

Are you saying the Germans weren't targeting civilians? Like, for real, what's your point?

All I'm doing is comparing their displayed capability in Iran to their strikes in Gaza and reading quotes that the IDF have made about Gaza and Gazans.

Deliberate or not, they have caused massive civilian casualties in Gaza, we can at least agree on that, right?

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Reply #92 - Jun 18^th, 2025 at 5:01pm

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 18^th, 2025 at 4:38pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 18^th, 2025 at 4:21pm:

Poor old marsupial has been swallowing Hamas propaganda.

Israel doesn't target civilians.

But hamas want as many dead as possible.
How many civilians have been allowed to shelter in the underground tunnels ( like where Londoners went during the blitz)

Imagine Churchill saying " no civilians in the underground tunnels".

Now go away and have a think about it Roll Eyes

Are you saying the Germans weren't targeting civilians? Like, for real, what's your point?

All I'm doing is comparing their displayed capability in Iran to their strikes in Gaza and reading quotes that the IDF have made about Gaza and Gazans.

Deliberate or not, they have caused massive civilian casualties in Gaza, we can at least agree on that, right?

In Iran over 80% of the population hate Islam and the Islamic regime they aren't going to be human shields.
They listen to IDF warnings and GTFO where they intend to bomb.
Iranians on X are telling the IDF what regime targets to hit like state run propaganda called the media
They mock muslims for believing Muhammad rode a flying Donkey.

Hamas have called for civilians to be human shields they agree because they will become martyrs and be rewarded in Islamic afterlife.
Big difference there.

You have IRGC out in open areas not hiding in tunnels which makes it easier.

Urban warfare is the toughest when you add tunnels where people can run into them and appear 500m away it becomes very difficult.

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Reply #94 - Jun 18^th, 2025 at 5:52pm

aquascoot wrote on Jun 18^th, 2025 at 4:39pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 18^th, 2025 at 4:22pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 18^th, 2025 at 4:21pm:

Poor old marsupial has been swallowing Hamas propaganda.

What have you been swallowing?

1 litre of winning

sorry to have to tell you but that was donkey piss you were drinking Roll Eyes

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Reply #95 - Jun 18^th, 2025 at 6:12pm

Just to clarify John, are you claiming that you know the Jews have "given up the pretense" as you put it, because of things the Jew did not say?

And you know the Jew has never said these things because it was not quoted exactly as you demand he say it in an article you stumbled across on the internet in which he said a bunch of other things?

Never mind that the exact quote you expect the Jew to say is so stupid that it only reveals your naiveté about how you think war is conducted, or at least, how you think the Jews should conduct war.

And the fact that the Jew said other things that are almost the exact opposite of what you concluded must be attributed to confusion on the part of the Jew, and not to your confusion, your hatred of Jews, and your eagerness to spread lies about Jews at every opportunity?

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Reply #96 - Jun 18^th, 2025 at 6:14pm

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 18^th, 2025 at 4:10pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 18^th, 2025 at 3:12pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 18^th, 2025 at 2:40pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 17^th, 2025 at 10:46am:

Are you trying to say something Kanga, or can you not figure out how to put it into a sentence?

It's remarkable, isn't it?

When Israel wants to strike a specific apartment nearly 2,000 kilometres away in Iran to take out a single military figure, it can land that missile with surgical precision. Yet when it comes to Gaza, just a few kilometres from its own border, suddenly, the precision evaporates and entire city blocks are levelled. Over and over again, the excuse is that "Hamas is hiding among civilians," as though that justifies flattening neighbourhoods.

Are you claiming that in order to prove they are not deliberately targeting civilians, Israel should have brought as much destruction to Tehran in 3 days of conflict as it brought to the Gaza strip over more than half a century of conflict - with an enemy that was so close than any Muslim nutcase can, and frequently does, climb onto the roof of his parents apartment building to lob a cheap rocket over the border?

Am I missing something, or is your argument really that stupid?

I am sure Israel would be willing to level Tehran if that is what it takes to stop Iran nuking Israel.

Perhaps you should get your understanding of middle eastern conflict from a more reliable source than your gullible friends sharing idiotic memes on facebook.

Are you missing something? By choice, and with deliberate dishonesty, yes, absolutely.

You're distorting the conversation, pretending I'm comparing a sustained military offensive to a single isolated airstrike, just so you can dismiss the actual point. That's not intellectual debate, it's sleight-of-hand rhetoric.

There are multiple examples, documented, verified, of single Israeli airstrikes that have obliterated entire residential buildings, even multiple homes at once, killing scores of civilians in Gaza. These aren't multi-day campaigns or the cumulative damage of a year-long offensive.

They're individual strike events, and they're devastating.

Yet when targeting deep inside Iran, over a thousand kilometres away, Israel has demonstrated they can strike a single apartment, kill a specific target, and leave the rest of the building standing. Precision is not theoretical. It is real, and it is used, when politically or strategically necessary.

This reveals a disturbing truth, collateral damage is not always accidental. Sometimes, it is policy.

Here are some example of what I'm talking about in Gaza:

March 2025 – Five‑Storey Residential Collapse (Northwest Gaza City):
One strike. Building gone. Around 30 civilians inside, only 3 recovered alive.

March 2025 – Eleven Homes Flattened (Bani Suheila to Beit Lahia):
One sortie. Multiple family homes erased. Women, newborns, and sleeping children, dead.

March 2025 – "Mass-Strike" Campaign (404 Dead in 24 Hours):
One day. Hundreds killed. Entire city blocks targeted, structures collapsed. Women and children comprised the majority.

April 2025 – Shuja'iyya Strike:
One airstrike. Eight homes levelled. At least 35 dead, 70 injured. Dense residential neighbourhood.

May 2025 – European Hospital Bombing:
Coordinated single-strike drop: nine bunker-busters in 30 seconds. The hospital, Gaza's largest, critically damaged.

May 2025 – Residential Building by Tents (Gaza City):
One building flattened, surrounded by tents housing displaced families. "Dozens" reported killed.

When Israel wants to avoid killing civilians, it shows it can, even in dense urban environments, even in hostile sovereign nations like Iran.
But in Gaza? That restraint evaporates. The result isn't just tactical damage, it's mass civilian death, and it happens with disturbing frequency.

This isn't about capability. It's about calculus. It's about what lives are deemed expendable, and in which context.

So how about this, since you're happy to misrepresent what I've said and the point I'm making to suit your argument, can I instead ask you, what evidence would it take to change your mind?

I am not ignoring anything. I am pointing out the stupidity of your argument. Collecting a few other equally stupid comments does not make it any smarter, and I did not think it necessary to go through the tedium of explain why every single comment is stupid. Was I wrong?

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Re: Israel deliberately targeting civilians?
Reply #97 - Jun 18^th, 2025 at 9:18pm

freediver wrote on Jun 18^th, 2025 at 6:12pm:

Just to clarify John, are you claiming that you know the Jews have "given up the pretense" as you put it, because of things the Jew did not say?

I'm not sure how many times one needs to repeat it fd. I told you, stick to what i actually said, not what your imaginary voice tells you I've said. It'll make more sense that way. I'm claiming that they've given up the pretense of shooting at hamas who were hiding behind civilians.

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freediver wrote on Jun 18^th, 2025 at 6:12pm:

And you know the Jew has never said

what jew are you referring to now fd?

freediver wrote on Jun 18^th, 2025 at 6:12pm:

Never mind that the exact quote you expect the Jew to say is so stupid that it only reveals your naiveté about how you think war is conducted, or at least, how you think the Jews should conduct war.

But I haven't said i expect them to say anything fd ... have you been drinking again? Those voices keeping you awake at night are they? Cheesy

freediver wrote on Jun 18^th, 2025 at 6:12pm:

And the fact that the Jew said other things that are almost the exact opposite of what you concluded must be attributed to confusion on the part of the Jew, and not to your confusion, your hatred of Jews, and your eagerness to spread lies about Jews at every opportunity?

is that a statement? a question? or just more mindless gibberish from you? Even you don't know what the hell you are going on about with that incoherent rambling. Cheesy

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Reply #98 - Jun 19^th, 2025 at 6:31am

freediver wrote on Jun 18^th, 2025 at 6:14pm:

I am not ignoring anything. I am pointing out the stupidity of your argument. Collecting a few other equally stupid comments does not make it any smarter, and I did not think it necessary to go through the tedium of explain why every single comment is stupid. Was I wrong?

Ok, so since you'll ignore the comments from the IDF about Gaza and Gazans, you'll ignore the differences in the types of strikes they make in Gaza vs Iran and the difference in civilian casualties from single strikes in the same countries and just want to calle verything I say stupid, can you at least answer the questions as to what it would take to change your mind?

It's clear you're just going to dismiss everything I say or personally attack me, so lets work within your guardrails.

What would it take to change your mind?

And before we go any further, can you stop blurring the lines between the IDF and the Jewish people?

That's the other thing you're doing is pushing this bullshit narrative that anyone who wants to see the IDF not kill so many civilians in Iran and Gaza as somehow attacking Jews.

Which again, is smacking rich coming from you...

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Reply #99 - Jun 19^th, 2025 at 9:23am

John Smith wrote on Jun 18^th, 2025 at 9:18pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 18^th, 2025 at 6:12pm:

Just to clarify John, are you claiming that you know the Jews have "given up the pretense" as you put it, because of things the Jew did not say?

I'm not sure how many times one needs to repeat it fd. I told you, stick to what i actually said, not what your imaginary voice tells you I've said. It'll make more sense that way. I'm claiming that they've given up the pretense of shooting at hamas who were hiding behind civilians.

Cheesy

freediver wrote on Jun 18^th, 2025 at 6:12pm:

And you know the Jew has never said

what jew are you referring to now fd?

freediver wrote on Jun 18^th, 2025 at 6:12pm:

Never mind that the exact quote you expect the Jew to say is so stupid that it only reveals your naiveté about how you think war is conducted, or at least, how you think the Jews should conduct war.

But I haven't said i expect them to say anything fd ... have you been drinking again? Those voices keeping you awake at night are they? Cheesy

freediver wrote on Jun 18^th, 2025 at 6:12pm:

And the fact that the Jew said other things that are almost the exact opposite of what you concluded must be attributed to confusion on the part of the Jew, and not to your confusion, your hatred of Jews, and your eagerness to spread lies about Jews at every opportunity?

is that a statement? a question? or just more mindless gibberish from you? Even you don't know what the hell you are going on about with that incoherent rambling. Cheesy

The Jew (the one in the article you decided to quote) made it clear they do not deliberately target civilians. You insisted the Jew must have been confused when he said this, and based on the absence of some other, stupider version of the statement, concluded pretty much the opposite of what he said.

Is it only Jews that you apply your special logic to?

Do you hate them and spread lies about them at every opportunity because they are Jews, or because they are relatively wealthy and successful?

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Reply #100 - Jun 19^th, 2025 at 9:27am

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 19^th, 2025 at 6:31am:

freediver wrote on Jun 18^th, 2025 at 6:14pm:

I am not ignoring anything. I am pointing out the stupidity of your argument. Collecting a few other equally stupid comments does not make it any smarter, and I did not think it necessary to go through the tedium of explain why every single comment is stupid. Was I wrong?

Ok, so since you'll ignore the comments from the IDF about Gaza and Gazans, you'll ignore the differences in the types of strikes they make in Gaza vs Iran and the difference in civilian casualties from single strikes in the same countries and just want to calle verything I say stupid, can you at least answer the questions as to what it would take to change your mind?

It's clear you're just going to dismiss everything I say or personally attack me, so lets work within your guardrails.

What would it take to change your mind?

And before we go any further, can you stop blurring the lines between the IDF and the Jewish people?

That's the other thing you're doing is pushing this bullshit narrative that anyone who wants to see the IDF not kill so many civilians in Iran and Gaza as somehow attacking Jews.

Which again, is smacking rich coming from you...

I am pretty sure I have responded to each issue you raised, in this very thread, as well as many others. Combining the dozen or so stupidest arguments in support of the terrorists into one post doesn't make you special Kanga, it just makes you shifty. I am even happy to discuss them again, but before we proceed to the next stupid argument, do you agree that your facebook meme trying to draw some conclusion from a photo of Gaza vs Tehran was stupid? I am not saying you are stupid. I am hoping you are intelligent enough to realise that the meme you posted was stupid and thoughtless, and that you shouldn't spread lies about the Israelis all the time, regardless of how you feel about the Jews.

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Reply #101 - Jun 19^th, 2025 at 9:56am

freediver wrote on Jun 19^th, 2025 at 9:27am:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 19^th, 2025 at 6:31am:

freediver wrote on Jun 18^th, 2025 at 6:14pm:

I am not ignoring anything. I am pointing out the stupidity of your argument. Collecting a few other equally stupid comments does not make it any smarter, and I did not think it necessary to go through the tedium of explain why every single comment is stupid. Was I wrong?

Ok, so since you'll ignore the comments from the IDF about Gaza and Gazans, you'll ignore the differences in the types of strikes they make in Gaza vs Iran and the difference in civilian casualties from single strikes in the same countries and just want to calle verything I say stupid, can you at least answer the questions as to what it would take to change your mind?

It's clear you're just going to dismiss everything I say or personally attack me, so lets work within your guardrails.

What would it take to change your mind?

And before we go any further, can you stop blurring the lines between the IDF and the Jewish people?

That's the other thing you're doing is pushing this bullshit narrative that anyone who wants to see the IDF not kill so many civilians in Iran and Gaza as somehow attacking Jews.

Which again, is smacking rich coming from you...

I am pretty sure I have responded to each issue you raised, in this very thread, as well as many others. Combining the dozen or so stupidest arguments in support of the terrorists into one post doesn't make you special Kanga, it just makes you shifty. I am even happy to discuss them again, but before we proceed to the next stupid argument, do you agree that your facebook meme trying to draw some conclusion from a photo of Gaza vs Tehran was stupid? I am not saying you are stupid. I am hoping you are intelligent enough to realise that the meme you posted was stupid and thoughtless, and that you shouldn't spread lies about the Israelis all the time, regardless of how you feel about the Jews.

You've responded by saying they're stupid, not by debunking them.

The two aren't the same.

But to avoid that, I've asked a simple question that you've dodged twice now.

What information would you need to convince you to change your mind on the subject?

What would it take?

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Reply #102 - Jun 19^th, 2025 at 10:32am

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You've responded by saying they're stupid, not by debunking them.

I explained why your meme was stupid. Very clearly. As soon as you found a way to put it into words rather than pictures. You ignored that bit and focussed on your butthurt, then added the dozen or so other stupid arguments that have also been done to death.

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Reply #103 - Jun 19^th, 2025 at 12:40pm

freediver wrote on Jun 19^th, 2025 at 10:32am:

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You've responded by saying they're stupid, not by debunking them.

I explained why your meme was stupid. Very clearly. As soon as you found a way to put it into words rather than pictures. You ignored that bit and focussed on your butthurt, then added the dozen or so other stupid arguments that have also been done to death.

3rd time you've dodged the question.

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 18^th, 2025 at 4:10pm:

So how about this, since you're happy to misrepresent what I've said and the point I'm making to suit your argument, can I instead ask you, what evidence would it take to change your mind?

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 19^th, 2025 at 6:31am:

What would it take to change your mind?

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 19^th, 2025 at 9:56am:

What information would you need to convince you to change your mind on the subject?

What would it take?

The good faith has almost evaporated.

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