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Reply #75 - Jun 18th, 2025 at 9:33am
 
Even the isrealis have now given up the pretense that they are shooting at hamas, who is hiding behind civilians

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Israeli tanks kill 59 people at Khan Younis aid site in Gaza, local medics say
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In a statement, the Israeli military said: "Earlier today, a gathering was identified adjacent to an aid distribution truck that got stuck in the area of Khan Younis, and in proximity to IDF troops operating in the area.

"The IDF is aware of reports regarding a number of injured individuals from IDF fire following the crowd's approach. The details of the incident are under review.

"The IDF regrets any harm to uninvolved individuals and operates to minimise harm as much as possible to them while maintaining the safety of our troops."

Medics said at least 14 other people were also killed by Israeli gunfire and air strikes elsewhere in the densely populated enclave, taking Tuesday's overall death toll to at least 73.


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-06-18/brk-israeli-tank-fires-on-gaza-aid/105429...
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Reply #76 - Jun 18th, 2025 at 9:37am
 
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Even the isrealis have now given up the pretense that they are shooting at hamas, who is hiding behind civilians


You have given up any pretence of reading what you are quoting.
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Reply #77 - Jun 18th, 2025 at 9:50am
 
freediver wrote on Jun 18th, 2025 at 9:37am:
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Even the isrealis have now given up the pretense that they are shooting at hamas, who is hiding behind civilians


You have given up any pretence of reading what you are quoting.


Can you quote for me anywhere in that article where Israel is claiming it was shooting at Hamas?
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Reply #78 - Jun 18th, 2025 at 10:00am
 
No John, but they do make it clear that they do not deliberately target civilians. They would very rarely stop to identify whether or not the people they are shooting at belong to Hamas. That's not how war works, and only a moron (or someone eager to spread lies about Jews) would base their argument on the expectation that they do.
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Reply #79 - Jun 18th, 2025 at 10:06am
 
freediver wrote on Jun 18th, 2025 at 10:00am:
No John


So you agree with what I said

John Smith wrote on Jun 18th, 2025 at 9:33am:
Even the isrealis have now given up the pretense that they are shooting at hamas, who is hiding behind civilians



freediver wrote on Jun 18th, 2025 at 10:00am:
but they do make it clear that they do not deliberately target civilians


yes, like you they are in denial.
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Reply #80 - Jun 18th, 2025 at 10:11am
 
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So you agree with what I said


No John. I think what you said is entirely moronic. That you think the absence of a direct quote from the IDF in the article, saying exactly what you demand they say, proves anything shows that you are either very easily confused or eager to spread lies about Jews. I still can't figure out which. They made it clear enough that they are not deliberately targeting civilians, but your hatred of Jews is so strong that you managed to twist it around into almost the exact opposite of what they said.
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Reply #81 - Jun 18th, 2025 at 1:14pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 18th, 2025 at 10:11am:
No John


What part of what I said do you disagree with?

And please try to stick to what I said and not what the voices in your head said.
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Reply #82 - Jun 18th, 2025 at 1:15pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 18th, 2025 at 10:11am:
No John


What part of what I said do you disagree with?

And please try to stick to what I said and not what the voices in your head said.


freediver wrote on Jun 18th, 2025 at 10:11am:
That you think the absence of a direct quote from the IDF in the article, saying exactly what you demand they say, proves anything shows that you are either very easily confused or eager to spread lies about Jews.


I haven't said it proves anything Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Feeling guilty are you fd?
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Reply #83 - Jun 18th, 2025 at 1:59pm
 
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What part of what I said do you disagree with?


The entire sentence. As explained, it is entirely moronic. Your conclusion is pretty much the exact opposite of what the IDF actually said. To add to the idiocy, you blamed this on the Jews' confusion, not yours.
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Reply #84 - Jun 18th, 2025 at 2:40pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 17th, 2025 at 10:46am:
Are you trying to say something Kanga, or can you not figure out how to put it into a sentence?


It's remarkable, isn't it?

When Israel wants to strike a specific apartment nearly 2,000 kilometres away in Iran to take out a single military figure, it can land that missile with surgical precision. Yet when it comes to Gaza, just a few kilometres from its own border, suddenly, the precision evaporates and entire city blocks are levelled. Over and over again, the excuse is that "Hamas is hiding among civilians," as though that justifies flattening neighbourhoods.

But it feels like, even with that example, unless they can be quoted saying they've been deliberatly targeting civilians, you'll dismiss it huh FD?

Meanwhile, Israeli civilians are filmed in tears when Iranian rockets strike near homes or schools, sometimes near actual military targets like Iron Dome batteries or the Kirya itself, the IDF's central command embedded deep within Tel Aviv's civilian sprawl. Israel demands sympathy when its own military is embedded in populated areas, yet shows none when it accuses others of the same.

This is the hypocrisy: they bombed Iran, as Hamas bombed Israel. Then Iran fired back, as Israel did to Gaza. In every case, civilians were killed, and somehow, only some of those deaths are treated as morally outrageous.

And the online discourse? It's now teeming with voices condemning Iranian strikes as barbaric, some of the same people who were silent, or worse, cheering, when Gazan children were buried in rubble. Where was their outrage then? When the victims weren't Jewish or white? When they were Palestinian or Iranian?

You can't cherry-pick your humanity. If killing civilians is wrong when it happens in Tel Aviv, then it's wrong in Rafah and Tehran too. Selective empathy isn't just a moral failing, it exposes the racialised double standards that have polluted this entire conversation.

I'm sick of the civilian casualties that are happening in Gaza, Iran and Israel.

But I'm just some chump on the internet, I have no solution but I wish I could stop it.

And we can't even learn from it.  People will not accept the truth about why Iran restarted their nuclear program.

The whole situation is an absolute quagmire, so deeply politicised that having a rational, honest conversation about it feels like an exercise in futility.

And the worst part? Expressing any concern for innocent civilians or simply acknowledging the complex realities behind recent hostilities too often results in being branded antisemitic or accused of supporting terrorism.

This weaponisation of discourse shuts down nuance and stifles any meaningful dialogue, turning what should be a human tragedy into a toxic battleground of ideological posturing.

It's exactly this kind of toxic environment that makes progress and understanding virtually impossible.
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Reply #85 - Jun 18th, 2025 at 2:45pm
 
Well considering the Muslim women and children of Gaza declare themselves willing to die WITH Hamas in their hate agenda of Death to Israel.
I really can't see where you're heading with this Sad Kangaroo?

Did you know that when Israeli soldiers in Gaza try to Shepard and convince Terrorists (posing as Civilians) at least on 50+ accounts young boys have pulled out hidden AK-47s and shot at IDF soldiers trying their best to save their ORCISH lives.
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Reply #86 - Jun 18th, 2025 at 3:12pm
 
ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 18th, 2025 at 2:40pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 17th, 2025 at 10:46am:
Are you trying to say something Kanga, or can you not figure out how to put it into a sentence?


It's remarkable, isn't it?

When Israel wants to strike a specific apartment nearly 2,000 kilometres away in Iran to take out a single military figure, it can land that missile with surgical precision. Yet when it comes to Gaza, just a few kilometres from its own border, suddenly, the precision evaporates and entire city blocks are levelled. Over and over again, the excuse is that "Hamas is hiding among civilians," as though that justifies flattening neighbourhoods.


Are you claiming that in order to prove they are not deliberately targeting civilians, Israel should have brought as much destruction to Tehran in 3 days of conflict as it brought to the Gaza strip over more than half a century of conflict - with an enemy that was so close than any Muslim nutcase can, and frequently does, climb onto the roof of his parents apartment building to lob a cheap rocket over the border?

Am I missing something, or is your argument really that stupid?

I am sure Israel would be willing to level Tehran if that is what it takes to stop Iran nuking Israel.

Perhaps you should get your understanding of middle eastern conflict from a more reliable source than your gullible friends sharing idiotic memes on facebook.
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Reply #87 - Jun 18th, 2025 at 4:10pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 18th, 2025 at 3:12pm:
ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 18th, 2025 at 2:40pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 17th, 2025 at 10:46am:
Are you trying to say something Kanga, or can you not figure out how to put it into a sentence?


It's remarkable, isn't it?

When Israel wants to strike a specific apartment nearly 2,000 kilometres away in Iran to take out a single military figure, it can land that missile with surgical precision. Yet when it comes to Gaza, just a few kilometres from its own border, suddenly, the precision evaporates and entire city blocks are levelled. Over and over again, the excuse is that "Hamas is hiding among civilians," as though that justifies flattening neighbourhoods.


Are you claiming that in order to prove they are not deliberately targeting civilians, Israel should have brought as much destruction to Tehran in 3 days of conflict as it brought to the Gaza strip over more than half a century of conflict - with an enemy that was so close than any Muslim nutcase can, and frequently does, climb onto the roof of his parents apartment building to lob a cheap rocket over the border?

Am I missing something, or is your argument really that stupid?

I am sure Israel would be willing to level Tehran if that is what it takes to stop Iran nuking Israel.

Perhaps you should get your understanding of middle eastern conflict from a more reliable source than your gullible friends sharing idiotic memes on facebook.


Are you missing something? By choice, and with deliberate dishonesty, yes, absolutely.

You're distorting the conversation, pretending I'm comparing a sustained military offensive to a single isolated airstrike, just so you can dismiss the actual point. That's not intellectual debate, it's sleight-of-hand rhetoric.

There are multiple examples, documented, verified, of single Israeli airstrikes that have obliterated entire residential buildings, even multiple homes at once, killing scores of civilians in Gaza. These aren't multi-day campaigns or the cumulative damage of a year-long offensive.

They're individual strike events, and they're devastating.

Yet when targeting deep inside Iran, over a thousand kilometres away, Israel has demonstrated they can strike a single apartment, kill a specific target, and leave the rest of the building standing. Precision is not theoretical. It is real, and it is used, when politically or strategically necessary.

This reveals a disturbing truth, collateral damage is not always accidental. Sometimes, it is policy.

Here are some example of what I'm talking about in Gaza:

March 2025 – Five‑Storey Residential Collapse (Northwest Gaza City):
One strike. Building gone. Around 30 civilians inside, only 3 recovered alive.

March 2025 – Eleven Homes Flattened (Bani Suheila to Beit Lahia):
One sortie. Multiple family homes erased. Women, newborns, and sleeping children, dead.

March 2025 – "Mass-Strike" Campaign (404 Dead in 24 Hours):
One day. Hundreds killed. Entire city blocks targeted, structures collapsed. Women and children comprised the majority.

April 2025 – Shuja'iyya Strike:
One airstrike. Eight homes levelled. At least 35 dead, 70 injured. Dense residential neighbourhood.

May 2025 – European Hospital Bombing:
Coordinated single-strike drop: nine bunker-busters in 30 seconds. The hospital, Gaza's largest, critically damaged.

May 2025 – Residential Building by Tents (Gaza City):
One building flattened, surrounded by tents housing displaced families. "Dozens" reported killed.

When Israel wants to avoid killing civilians, it shows it can, even in dense urban environments, even in hostile sovereign nations like Iran.
But in Gaza? That restraint evaporates. The result isn't just tactical damage, it's mass civilian death, and it happens with disturbing frequency.

This isn't about capability. It's about calculus. It's about what lives are deemed expendable, and in which context.

So how about this, since you're happy to misrepresent what I've said and the point I'm making to suit your argument, can I instead ask you, what evidence would it take to change your mind?
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Reply #88 - Jun 18th, 2025 at 4:21pm
 
Poor old marsupial has been swallowing Hamas propaganda.

Israel doesn't target civilians.

But hamas want as many dead as possible.
How many civilians have been allowed to shelter in the underground tunnels ( like where Londoners went during the blitz)

Imagine Churchill saying " no civilians in the underground tunnels".

Now go away and have a think about it  Roll Eyes
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Reply #89 - Jun 18th, 2025 at 4:22pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Jun 18th, 2025 at 4:21pm:
Poor old marsupial has been swallowing Hamas propaganda.


What have you been swallowing?

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