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Reply #180 - Jun 18^th, 2024 at 9:52am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 17^th, 2024 at 1:51pm:

'NEW YORK, Jun 13 (IPS) - A United Nations commission tasked with conducting an in-depth investigation of Israeli military actions in the occupied Palestinian territories has concluded that Israel's government is responsible for multiple war crimes and crimes against humanity in the Gaza Strip, including "extermination," torture, forcible transfer, and the use of starvation as a weapon of warfare.'

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12. Hamas military wing, other Palestinian armed groups and civilians attacked distinct civilian targets in at least 24 localities, as well as public spaces and outdoor festivals. In these sites militants systematically moved from house to house setting homes on fire, shooting into private and public shelters, and removing people from hiding places, killing, injuring and abducting civilians to Gaza. The Commission investigated six distinct attacks in Be’eri and eight attacks in Nir Oz, each involving multiple victims, largely from the same families.
13. In Be’eri, 105 civilians were killed (63 men and 42 women) by members of the military wings of Hamas and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) as well as by civilians from Gaza. In addition, 31 civilians (13 men and 18 women) were abducted to the Gaza Strip. Attackers entered the kibbutz and shot at residents, cars, pets and houses, killing and injuring, setting houses on fire and abducting people to Gaza. In one case, a nine-month-old baby girl, was shot and killed while hiding with her mother in their safe room in Be’eri. In another case, at least four people were taken out of their homes and killed at the perimeter of the Be’eri, likely while being transferred to Gaza.
14. In Nir Oz, 46 civilians were killed (33 men and 13 women) by members of the military wings of Hamas and the PIJ, the Al-Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades, the armed wing of the Palestinian Mujahideen Movement and the armed wing of the Popular Resistance Committees. Palestinian civilians also participated in these killings. Seventy-two residents of the kibbutz (37 men and 35 women) were abducted to Gaza. In one case, a 79-year-old woman and her 12-year-old autistic granddaughter from Nir Oz were killed close to the perimeter fence with Gaza, allegedly because they were slowing down the retreat of their captors. In another case, a 70-year-old woman and her 73-year-old husband were attacked while out for a walk in the kibbutz. The woman was killed, while her partner was abducted to Gaza where he died in captivity.
15. Many Israeli families suffered a multigenerational impact with several members either killed or abducted to Gaza. In one case in Be’eri, a 48-year-old woman and her two teenage daughters were killed, while the father was abducted to Gaza. In Nir Oz, a family of five was hiding in their safe room when militants broke into the room, shot and killed both parents, and set fire to their home, which resulted in the killing of their three children from smoke suffocation. The children’s grandmother was shot dead in a different safe room in the kibbutz. In another case from Nir Oz, an entire family was abducted to Gaza, including both parents, a four-year-old boy and a 9-month-old baby. Two of the children’s grandparents were also killed in the attack and their bodies were found near the Gaza border.
16. Of 3,000 young people at the Nova music festival in Re'im, 364 attendees (including 215 men and 136 women) were killed by members of the military wing of Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups, while around 40 others were abducted to Gaza. Victims were killed at the site of the main festival while attempting to hide under the festival stage, in portable public toilets, inside parked cars and in garbage containers. In one case, a man hid by a parked silver car, when Hamas militants shot him to death. Many of those killed were shot while running through a field east of the Nova site, trying to escape. Others were killed while hiding in stationary cars and in public shelters along road 232 where they sought refuge. Survivors in shelters reported lying for hours under piles of bodies waiting for first responders to arrive.
17. The Commission investigated the killing of civilians in four public shelters (near Re’im, Be’eri and Alumim). In all four locations, militants attacked the shelters using grenades and machine gun fire, shooting at any person attempting to escape. In a shelter near Re’im, the Commission found that militants also used a rocket propelled grenade. Militants abducted civilians to Gaza from the Re’im shelter, all of whom were suffering from serious injuries. The similar pattern of attack against these and other public shelters suggests that the attackers planned the modalities of the attacks in advance.

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Reply #181 - Jun 18^th, 2024 at 10:00am

90. In relation to the attack of 7 October in Israel, the Commission concludes on reasonable grounds that members of the military wings of Hamas and of other Palestinian armed groups, as well as Palestinian civilians who were directly participating in the hostilities, deliberately killed, injured, mistreated, took hostages and committed SGBV against: civilians, including Israeli citizens and foreign nationals; and members of the ISF, including soldiers considered hors de combat, in many locations in southern Israel. These actions constitute war crimes and violations and abuses of IHL and IHRL. J

91. The Commission concludes that civilians were intentionally targeted, that the attack was premeditated and planned over a significant period, reflecting a high degree of organisation and coordination, and implemented in several locations at or about the same time. The attacks were led and coordinated by Hamas and implemented by the military wings of Hamas and six other Palestinian factions, with the participation of some Palestinian civilians.

92. Members of the military wing of Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups abducted primarily Israeli people as hostages to Gaza, without regard for age or gender, to use them in negotiations with the Israeli authorities. Some abductees were shot at and in some cases killed. Many abductions were carried out with significant physical, mental and sexual violence and degrading and humiliating treatment, including in some cases parading the abductees.
93. Israeli children were subjected to physical and emotional mistreatment on 7 October. In addition to those who were killed and injured, many children lost one or both parents. Many children witnessed the killings of their parents and siblings and were also filmed for propaganda purposes by Palestinian armed groups who published videos depicting young Israeli children in vulnerable positions. The Commission finds it particularly egregious that children were targeted for abduction, several of them taken alone.
94. The Commission concludes that members of the military wing of Hamas and Palestinian armed groups targeted women, including by wilful killings, abductions, and physical, mental and sexual abuse. These crimes were deliberate and, in several cases, enforced with violence, intentionally causing great suffering and serious injury to the victims. The Commission particularly notes that women were subjected to GBV during the course of their execution or abduction. Women and women’s bodies were used as victory trophies by male perpetrators and the abduction, violence and humiliation of women, were put on public display, either on the streets of the Gaza Strip or online.
95. The Commission identified patterns indicative of sexual violence in several locations and concludes that Israeli women were disproportionally subjected to these crimes. The attack on 7 October enabled perpetrators to commit SGBV and this violence was not isolated but perpetrated in similar ways in several locations and by multiple Palestinian perpetrators. The Commission did not find credible evidence, however, that militants received orders to commit sexual violence and so it was unable to make conclusions on this issue. However, inflammatory language and disbelief around sexual violence, observed with both parties, risks silencing and discrediting survivors, further exacerbating trauma and stigmatization.

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Reply #182 - Jun 18^th, 2024 at 10:07am

Frank wrote on Jun 18^th, 2024 at 9:52am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 17^th, 2024 at 1:51pm:

'NEW YORK, Jun 13 (IPS) - A United Nations commission tasked with conducting an in-depth investigation of Israeli military actions in the occupied Palestinian territories has concluded that Israel's government is responsible for multiple war crimes and crimes against humanity in the Gaza Strip, including "extermination," torture, forcible transfer, and the use of starvation as a weapon of warfare.'

The commission report also says:

12. Hamas military wing, other Palestinian armed groups and civilians attacked distinct civilian targets in at least 24 localities, as well as public spaces and outdoor festivals. In these sites militants systematically moved from house to house setting homes on fire, shooting into private and public shelters, and removing people from hiding places, killing, injuring and abducting civilians to Gaza. The Commission investigated six distinct attacks in Be’eri and eight attacks in Nir Oz, each involving multiple victims, largely from the same families.
13. In Be’eri, 105 civilians were killed (63 men and 42 women) by members of the military wings of Hamas and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) as well as by civilians from Gaza. In addition, 31 civilians (13 men and 18 women) were abducted to the Gaza Strip. Attackers entered the kibbutz and shot at residents, cars, pets and houses, killing and injuring, setting houses on fire and abducting people to Gaza. In one case, a nine-month-old baby girl, was shot and killed while hiding with her mother in their safe room in Be’eri. In another case, at least four people were taken out of their homes and killed at the perimeter of the Be’eri, likely while being transferred to Gaza.
14. In Nir Oz, 46 civilians were killed (33 men and 13 women) by members of the military wings of Hamas and the PIJ, the Al-Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades, the armed wing of the Palestinian Mujahideen Movement and the armed wing of the Popular Resistance Committees. Palestinian civilians also participated in these killings. Seventy-two residents of the kibbutz (37 men and 35 women) were abducted to Gaza. In one case, a 79-year-old woman and her 12-year-old autistic granddaughter from Nir Oz were killed close to the perimeter fence with Gaza, allegedly because they were slowing down the retreat of their captors. In another case, a 70-year-old woman and her 73-year-old husband were attacked while out for a walk in the kibbutz. The woman was killed, while her partner was abducted to Gaza where he died in captivity.
15. Many Israeli families suffered a multigenerational impact with several members either killed or abducted to Gaza. In one case in Be’eri, a 48-year-old woman and her two teenage daughters were killed, while the father was abducted to Gaza. In Nir Oz, a family of five was hiding in their safe room when militants broke into the room, shot and killed both parents, and set fire to their home, which resulted in the killing of their three children from smoke suffocation. The children’s grandmother was shot dead in a different safe room in the kibbutz. In another case from Nir Oz, an entire family was abducted to Gaza, including both parents, a four-year-old boy and a 9-month-old baby. Two of the children’s grandparents were also killed in the attack and their bodies were found near the Gaza border.
16. Of 3,000 young people at the Nova music festival in Re'im, 364 attendees (including 215 men and 136 women) were killed by members of the military wing of Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups, while around 40 others were abducted to Gaza. Victims were killed at the site of the main festival while attempting to hide under the festival stage, in portable public toilets, inside parked cars and in garbage containers. In one case, a man hid by a parked silver car, when Hamas militants shot him to death. Many of those killed were shot while running through a field east of the Nova site, trying to escape. Others were killed while hiding in stationary cars and in public shelters along road 232 where they sought refuge. Survivors in shelters reported lying for hours under piles of bodies waiting for first responders to arrive.
17. The Commission investigated the killing of civilians in four public shelters (near Re’im, Be’eri and Alumim). In all four locations, militants attacked the shelters using grenades and machine gun fire, shooting at any person attempting to escape. In a shelter near Re’im, the Commission found that militants also used a rocket propelled grenade. Militants abducted civilians to Gaza from the Re’im shelter, all of whom were suffering from serious injuries. The similar pattern of attack against these and other public shelters suggests that the attackers planned the modalities of the attacks in advance.

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Hamas military wing, other Palestinian armed groups and civilians attacked distinct civilian targets in at least 24 localities

Yes 100% correct which is the reason that sane people are critical of the atrocities committed by both Hamas and Israel.

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Reply #184 - Jun 18^th, 2024 at 10:12am

Dnarever wrote on Jun 18^th, 2024 at 10:07am:

Frank wrote on Jun 18^th, 2024 at 9:52am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 17^th, 2024 at 1:51pm:

'NEW YORK, Jun 13 (IPS) - A United Nations commission tasked with conducting an in-depth investigation of Israeli military actions in the occupied Palestinian territories has concluded that Israel's government is responsible for multiple war crimes and crimes against humanity in the Gaza Strip, including "extermination," torture, forcible transfer, and the use of starvation as a weapon of warfare.'

The commission report also says:

12. Hamas military wing, other Palestinian armed groups and civilians attacked distinct civilian targets in at least 24 localities, as well as public spaces and outdoor festivals. In these sites militants systematically moved from house to house setting homes on fire, shooting into private and public shelters, and removing people from hiding places, killing, injuring and abducting civilians to Gaza. The Commission investigated six distinct attacks in Be’eri and eight attacks in Nir Oz, each involving multiple victims, largely from the same families.
13. In Be’eri, 105 civilians were killed (63 men and 42 women) by members of the military wings of Hamas and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) as well as by civilians from Gaza. In addition, 31 civilians (13 men and 18 women) were abducted to the Gaza Strip. Attackers entered the kibbutz and shot at residents, cars, pets and houses, killing and injuring, setting houses on fire and abducting people to Gaza. In one case, a nine-month-old baby girl, was shot and killed while hiding with her mother in their safe room in Be’eri. In another case, at least four people were taken out of their homes and killed at the perimeter of the Be’eri, likely while being transferred to Gaza.
14. In Nir Oz, 46 civilians were killed (33 men and 13 women) by members of the military wings of Hamas and the PIJ, the Al-Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades, the armed wing of the Palestinian Mujahideen Movement and the armed wing of the Popular Resistance Committees. Palestinian civilians also participated in these killings. Seventy-two residents of the kibbutz (37 men and 35 women) were abducted to Gaza. In one case, a 79-year-old woman and her 12-year-old autistic granddaughter from Nir Oz were killed close to the perimeter fence with Gaza, allegedly because they were slowing down the retreat of their captors. In another case, a 70-year-old woman and her 73-year-old husband were attacked while out for a walk in the kibbutz. The woman was killed, while her partner was abducted to Gaza where he died in captivity.
15. Many Israeli families suffered a multigenerational impact with several members either killed or abducted to Gaza. In one case in Be’eri, a 48-year-old woman and her two teenage daughters were killed, while the father was abducted to Gaza. In Nir Oz, a family of five was hiding in their safe room when militants broke into the room, shot and killed both parents, and set fire to their home, which resulted in the killing of their three children from smoke suffocation. The children’s grandmother was shot dead in a different safe room in the kibbutz. In another case from Nir Oz, an entire family was abducted to Gaza, including both parents, a four-year-old boy and a 9-month-old baby. Two of the children’s grandparents were also killed in the attack and their bodies were found near the Gaza border.
16. Of 3,000 young people at the Nova music festival in Re'im, 364 attendees (including 215 men and 136 women) were killed by members of the military wing of Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups, while around 40 others were abducted to Gaza. Victims were killed at the site of the main festival while attempting to hide under the festival stage, in portable public toilets, inside parked cars and in garbage containers. In one case, a man hid by a parked silver car, when Hamas militants shot him to death. Many of those killed were shot while running through a field east of the Nova site, trying to escape. Others were killed while hiding in stationary cars and in public shelters along road 232 where they sought refuge. Survivors in shelters reported lying for hours under piles of bodies waiting for first responders to arrive.
17. The Commission investigated the killing of civilians in four public shelters (near Re’im, Be’eri and Alumim). In all four locations, militants attacked the shelters using grenades and machine gun fire, shooting at any person attempting to escape. In a shelter near Re’im, the Commission found that militants also used a rocket propelled grenade. Militants abducted civilians to Gaza from the Re’im shelter, all of whom were suffering from serious injuries. The similar pattern of attack against these and other public shelters suggests that the attackers planned the modalities of the attacks in advance.

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Hamas military wing, other Palestinian armed groups and civilians attacked distinct civilian targets in at least 24 localities

Yes 100% correct which is the reason that sane people are critical of the atrocities committed by both Hamas and Israel.

Well, throbbo here, and thousands around Aust r alia stand with Hamarse. Diversity is our strength, innit. What would life be like without vibrants?

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 153642 Gender:	Re: "Mishap", my arse! Reply #185 - Jun 18^th, 2024 at 12:56pm Dnarever wrote on Jun 18^th, 2024 at 10:07am: Yes 100% correct which is the reason that sane people are critical of the atrocities committed by both Hamas and Israel. Correct. Both groups should be condemned for their war crimes and terrorist activity.
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: "Mishap", my arse! Reply #186 - Jun 18^th, 2024 at 1:20pm Frank somehow thinks his terrorists are better than hamas' terrorists
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 153642 Gender:	Re: "Mishap", my arse! Reply #187 - Jun 18^th, 2024 at 1:27pm John Smith wrote on Jun 18^th, 2024 at 1:20pm: Frank somehow thinks his terrorists are better than hamas' terrorists Indeed. Frank subscribes to the quote from a Gerald Seymour novel: "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter". But sometimes a terrorist is just a terrorist.
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Reply #188 - Jun 18^th, 2024 at 3:13pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 18^th, 2024 at 12:56pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 18^th, 2024 at 10:07am:

Yes 100% correct which is the reason that sane people are critical of the atrocities committed by both Hamas and Israel.

Correct.

Both groups should be condemned for their war crimes and terrorist activity.

And THEN what??

Move on to Trump?

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Reply #189 - Jun 18^th, 2024 at 3:44pm

Frank wrote on Jun 18^th, 2024 at 3:13pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 18^th, 2024 at 12:56pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 18^th, 2024 at 10:07am:

Yes 100% correct which is the reason that sane people are critical of the atrocities committed by both Hamas and Israel.

Correct.

Both groups should be condemned for their war crimes and terrorist activity.

And THEN what??

Move on to Trump?

He'll be sentenced soon.

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Reply #190 - Jun 18^th, 2024 at 4:52pm

Frank wrote on Jun 18^th, 2024 at 3:13pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 18^th, 2024 at 12:56pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 18^th, 2024 at 10:07am:

Yes 100% correct which is the reason that sane people are critical of the atrocities committed by both Hamas and Israel.

Correct.

Both groups should be condemned for their war crimes and terrorist activity.

And THEN what??

Move on to Trump?

Trump has nothing much to do with anything. A convicted criminal who is also an insurrectionist. Why would the Republicans put forward a contestant who is ineligible to be President.

Trump is finished he just doesn't know it yet.

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aquascoot Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 37904 Gender:	Re: "Mishap", my arse! Reply #191 - Jun 18^th, 2024 at 7:30pm John Smith wrote on Jun 18^th, 2024 at 1:20pm: Frank somehow thinks his terrorists are better than hamas' terrorists have the idf cut the achilles tendons of teenage girls so they cant run away and then raped them so they cant go to mussie paradise ?
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Reply #192 - Jun 18^th, 2024 at 7:56pm

aquascoot wrote on Jun 18^th, 2024 at 7:30pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 18^th, 2024 at 1:20pm:

Frank somehow thinks his terrorists are better than hamas' terrorists Cheesy

have the idf cut the achilles tendons of teenage girls so they cant run away and then raped them so they cant go to mussie paradise ?

We don't know.

We know for an absolute certainty though that they deliberately target pregnant women, babies, and small children.

They deliberately set out to slaughter them.

Your argument is "That's fine by me, just as long as they don't cut the achilles tendons of teenage girls so they cant run away and then raped them".

Wow. You are one sick puppy.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: "Mishap", my arse! Reply #193 - Jun 18^th, 2024 at 7:57pm aquascoot wrote on Jun 18^th, 2024 at 7:30pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 18^th, 2024 at 1:20pm: Frank somehow thinks his terrorists are better than hamas' terrorists have the idf cut the achilles tendons of teenage girls so they cant run away and then raped them so they cant go to mussie paradise ? They've done worse
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Reply #194 - Jun 18^th, 2024 at 8:02pm

John Smith wrote on Jun 18^th, 2024 at 7:57pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 18^th, 2024 at 7:30pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 18^th, 2024 at 1:20pm:

Frank somehow thinks his terrorists are better than hamas' terrorists Cheesy

have the idf cut the achilles tendons of teenage girls so they cant run away and then raped them so they cant go to mussie paradise ?

They've done worse

Scoot's argument is "Hamas have committed worse war crimes than the IDF, therefore the IDF should not be criticised".

That's a very sick mind right there.

It's his whole mindset.

MAGA/Scoot, et al."Sure, Trump raped a woman but he didn't cut her throat afterwards so he really shouldn't be given a hard time".

Sick, sick individuals.

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