Aussie wrote on May 4^th, 2018 at 9:29pm:


Aussie wrote on May 28^th, 2024 at 11:02am:


At least we can agree on one thing.

Aussie, can you explain this? Are you trying to say that you would be happy, but not comfortable, about killing 10 million Jews?

Aussie wrote on May 28^th, 2024 at 5:28pm:


Are you suggesting that ethnic cleansing is not a reasonable description of your final solution for peace in the middle east?

Genocide Joe Biden is guilty of genocide.

waggawoody wrote on Jun 5^th, 2024 at 5:37pm:



Well, the Jews are prominent in everything, good and bad.

You can choose to be like you and see only the dreadful stuff, like pushing multiculti crap of Marxism and Stalinism - or you can see that has well as the many more good things the Jews have done for the world in science, medicine, music, literature, technology etc.

Yes, compared to the Aborigines, the Jews have done bad things. But they have done m any, many more good things for the world than the Aborigines. You can be innocent if you do nothing for 40,000 years.

Frank wrote on Jun 5^th, 2024 at 6:04pm:


That's only a relatively recent phenomenon.

Where were all the Jewish scientists, inventors, etc before the 1800s, when all the discoveries and inventions that fueled the industrial revolution were underway?  They were kept in ignorance by the tyrannical rabbis that controlled every facet of Jewish society:


"It is important to note that all the supposedly "Jewish characteristics"—by which I mean the traits which vulgar so-called intellectuals in the West attribute to "the Jews"—are modern characteristics, quite unknown during most of Jewish history, and appeared only when the totalitarian Jewish community began to lose its power. Take, for example, the famous Jewish sense of humor. Not only is humor very rare in Hebrew literature before the 19th century (and is only found during few periods, in countries where the Jewish upper class was relatively free from the rabbinical yoke, such as Italy between the 14th and 17th centuries or Muslim Spain) but humor and jokes are strictly forbidden by the Jewish religion—except, significantly, jokes against other religions. Satire against rabbis and leaders of the community was never internalized by Judaism, not even to a small extent, as it was in Latin Christianity. There were no Jewish comedies, just as there were no comedies in Sparta, and for a similar reason. Or take the love of learning. Except for a purely religious learning, which was itself in a debased and degenerate state, the Jews of Europe (and to a somewhat lesser extent also of the Arab countries) were dominated, before about 1780, by a supreme contempt and hate for all learning (excluding the Talmud and Jewish mysticism). Large parts of the Old Testament, all nonliturgical Hebrew poetry, most books on Jewish philosophy were not read and their very names were often anathematized. Study of all languages was strictly forbidden, as was the study of mathematics and science. Geography, history—even Jewish history—were completely unknown. The critical sense, which is supposedly so characteristic of Jews, was totally absent, and nothing was so forbidden, feared and therefore persecuted as the most modest innovation or the most innocent criticism.

"It was a world sunk in the most abject superstition, fanaticism and ignorance, a world in which the preface to the first work on geography in Hebrew (published in 1803 in Russia) could complain that very many great rabbis were denying the existence of the American continent and saying that it is "impossible." Between that world and what is often taken in the West to "characterize" Jews there is nothing in common except the mistaken name."

- Prof. Israel Shahak, Jewish History, Jewish Religion:The Weight of Three Thousand Years; Chapter 2, Prejudice and Prevarication

freediver wrote on Jun 7^th, 2024 at 8:50pm:


He was an exception, along with the philosopher Baruch Spinoza.

And the fact that you snipped Prof. Shahak's description, particularly this part, is very telling:

"It was a world sunk in the most abject superstition, fanaticism and ignorance, a world in which the preface to the first work on geography in Hebrew (published in 1803 in Russia) could complain that very many great rabbis were denying the existence of the American continent and saying that it is "impossible."

How backward!

Yet the fanatics in Israel want to return to this backwardness.

In the next paragraph Prof. Shahak states:

"However, a great many present-day Jews are nostalgic for that world, their lost paradise, the comfortable closed society... A large part of the Zionist movement always wanted to restore it - and this part has gained the upper hand."

waggawoody wrote on Jun 8^th, 2024 at 6:50am:

Jews had no country. They were persecuted and powerless in Christian or Islamic kingdoms.

Back in them days, all these great thinkers etc were the exceptions regardless of 'race' or anything else.... and a lot of them were persecuted.

America is impossible..... still is... always was ....

waggawoody wrote on Jun 8^th, 2024 at 6:50am:


The whole of tzarist Russia was sunk into the most abject superstition, fanaticism and ignorance, together with most of the Ottoman East.

But that was not the case in western Europe. Spinoza lived in Holland, Maimonides in Spain and North Africa.
Medieval Jewish astronomers
Jewish medicine


Anyway, secularization freed up not just Jewish thinkers but Christians as well. So when you say that the Jews were dogmatic in the Middle ages you need to say "like everyone else".

Frank wrote on Jun 8^th, 2024 at 11:43am:



"The Jewish theory that the Goyim envy the superior ability of the Jews is not borne out by the facts. Most Goyim, in fact, deny that the Jew is superior, and point in evidence to his failure to take the first prizes: he has to be content with the seconds. No Jewish composer has ever come within miles of Bach, Beethoven and Brahms; no Jew has ever challenged the top-flight painters of the world, and no Jewish scientist has equaled Newton, Darwin, Pasteur or Mendel. In the latter bracket such apparent exceptions as Ehrlich, Freud and Einstein are only apparent. Ehrlich, in fact, contributed less to biochemical fact than to biochemical theory, and most of his theory was dubious. Freud was nine-tenths quack, and there is sound reason for believing that even Einstein will not hold up: in the long run his curved space may be classed with the psychosomatic bumps of Gall and Spurzheim. But whether this inferiority of the Jew is real or only a delusion, it must be manifest that it is generally accepted. The Goy does not, in fact, believe that the Jew is better than the non-Jew; the most he will admit is that the Jew is smarter at achieving worldly success. But this he ascribes to sharp practices, not to superior ability."

- H. L. Mencken, Minority Report

wombatstupidity goosestepping for the Final Solution.

What a surprise.

Marla wrote on Jun 10^th, 2024 at 6:31am:




"Hitler's legal power was based upon the 'Enabling Act', which was passed quite legally by the Reichstag and which allowed the Fuehrer and his representatives, in plain language, to be what they wanted, or in legal language, to issue regulations having the force of law. Exactly the same type of act was passed by the Knesset [Israel's Parliament] immediately after the 1967 conquest granting the Israeli governor and his representatives the power of Hitler, which they use in Hitlerian manner."

- Prof. Israel Shahak, Chairperson of the Israeli League for Human and Civil Rights, commenting on the Israeli military's Emergency Regulations following the 1967 War.  Palestine Magazine, Vol. 12, December 1983.

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Do you remember posting this?

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freediver wrote on Jun 13^th, 2024 at 7:01am:


How is that wrong?

The only thing I left out was that bit about Maimonides and Spinoza, but I conceded they were exceptions.

So how is the above wrong?

Or did you miss this part?

"Study of all languages was strictly forbidden, as was the study of mathematics and science. Geography, history—even Jewish history—were completely unknown. The critical sense, which is supposedly so characteristic of Jews, was totally absent, and nothing was so forbidden, feared and therefore persecuted as the most modest innovation or the most innocent criticism.

"It was a world sunk in the most abject superstition, fanaticism and ignorance, a world in which the preface to the first work on geography in Hebrew (published in 1803 in Russia) could complain that very many great rabbis were denying the existence of the American continent and saying that it is "impossible."

And about the 'tyrannical rabbis that controlled every facet of Jewish society', did you also miss this part?

"Before the advent of the modern state, Jewish communities were mostly ruled by rabbis who employed arbitrary and cruel methods as bad as those employed by totalitarian regimes."

freediver wrote on Jun 14^th, 2024 at 6:14am:


I wasn't wrong. I knew about those two. I just forget to mention them.

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In Reply #6 Frank said, 'the many more good things the Jews have done for the world in science, medicine, music, literature, technology etc.' So I corrected him by saying that's only recently happened and that there were very few if any Jewish achievements in those fields before the 1800s, apart from Maimonides and Spinoza, and even then the latter's contributions are debatable.

So far nobody's shown how Jews have excelled in that over and above non-Jews.

SK defending Aussie's support for ethnic cleansing:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 16^th, 2024 at 6:17pm:

waggawoody wrote on Jun 13^th, 2024 at 5:57am:


Anyone?

Aussie wrote on Jun 17^th, 2024 at 10:27am:


How am I misquoting you Aussie?

Israeli Jews are mass murderers and genocidal psychopaths.

Israeli Jews are cowardly, genocidal mass murderers.

There are no Nobel prizes for genocide. If there were, Israel would push Germany into second place.

Israeli Jews even murder other Israeli Jews with impunity.

John thinks genocide is funny:

John Smith wrote on Jun 17^th, 2024 at 10:44pm:


John Smith wrote on Jun 17^th, 2024 at 10:45pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 17^th, 2024 at 6:30am:


The point is raised by the question. You knew that. You're just being argumentative and evasive, as usual.

And that point, among others, is that Jewish society by and large before the 1800s was backward and primitive and that very few seem to know this important point of history.

"It was a world sunk in the most abject superstition, fanaticism and ignorance, a world in which the preface to the first work on geography in Hebrew (published in 1803 in Russia) could complain that very many great rabbis were denying the existence of the American continent and saying that it is "impossible...

"However, a great many present-day Jews are nostalgic for that world, their lost paradise, the comfortable closed society... A large part of the Zionist movement always wanted to restore it - and this part has gained the upper hand."

   - Prof. Israel Shahak, Jewish History, Jewish Religion:The Weight of Three Thousand Years; Chapter 2, Prejudice and Prevarication


"Before the advent of the modern state, Jewish communities were mostly ruled by rabbis who employed arbitrary and cruel methods as bad as those employed by totalitarian regimes. The dearest wish of the current Jewish fundamentalists is to restore this state of affairs.'

   - Prof. Israel Israel Shahak and Prof. Norton Mezvinsky, Jewish Fundamentalism in Israel;
Chapter 7, The Religious Background of Rabin's Assassination


And by defending Israel you are defending and supporting a fanatical racist theocracy.

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Yes it is. Amnesty Int. and HRW report the existence of dozens of laws that discriminate against Arab citizens of Israel.

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Tell that to these people:

"Al-Araqib is one of 35 unrecognized Bedouin villages in the Negev desert in southern Israel, which means Israel refuses to provide residents with connections to the national water and electricity grids, provide them with health and educational services, or any basic infrastructure. Over the years, the village has become a symbol of the struggle against dispossession of Bedouin from their land, and for state recognition of Bedouin villages in the Negev.

"Despite being citizens of Israel that are supposed to enjoy equal rights, the Israeli government, the Israel Land Authority, and the Jewish National Fund have been waging a slow and methodical war of attrition against Bedouin residents of Al-Araqib in an effort to expel them and plant a forest atop their land."

https://www.972mag.com/this-bedouin-village-has-been-demolished-by-israel-120-ti...

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Would you call apartheid-era South Africa a democracy?

Frank wrote on Jun 17^th, 2024 at 9:12pm:


That's an exaggeration, as shown above in #18.

And here's more on Einstein:

“Einstein is a beggar dressed in purple clothes and made king using dazzling mathematics that obscure truth."

“The theory of relativity is a mass of error and deceptive ideas violently opposed to the teachings of great men of science of the past and even to common sense.”

“The theory, wraps all these errors and fallacies and clothes them in magnificent mathematical garb which fascinates, dazzles and makes people blind to the underlying errors. Not a single one of the relativity propositions has been proved.”

  -  Nikola Tesla


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You never learn. I showed you in the Zionism thread how that is simply not true:

1. A thousand years before the Wright brothers a Muslim poet, astronomer, musician and engineer named Abbas ibn Firnas made several attempts to construct a flying machine. In 852 he jumped from the minaret of a mosque using a loose cloak stiffened with wooden struts. He hoped to glide like a bird. He didn't. But the cloak slowed his fall, creating what is thought to be the first parachute, and leaving him with only minor injuries. In 875, aged 70, having perfected a machine of silk and eagles feathers he tried again, jumping from a mountain. He flew to a significant height and stayed aloft for ten minutes before making another rough landing. Baghdad international airport and a crater on the Moon are named after him.

2. Distillation, the means of separating liquids through differences in their boiling points, was invented around the year 800 by Islam's foremost scientist, Jabir ibn Hayyan, who transformed alchemy into chemistry, inventing many of the basic processes and apparatus still in use today - liquefaction, crystallisation, distillation, purification, oxidisation, evaporation and filtration.

3. The windmill was invented in 634 for a Persian caliph and was used to grind corn and draw up water for irrigation. In the vast deserts of Arabia, when the seasonal streams ran dry, the only source of power was the wind which blew steadily from one direction for months. Mills had six or 12 sails covered in fabric or palm leaves. It was 500 years before the first windmill was seen in Europe.

4. The fountain pen was invented for the Sultan of Egypt in 953 after he demanded a pen which would not stain his hands or clothes. It held ink in a reservoir and, as with modern pens, fed ink to the nib by a combination of gravity and capillary action.

5. The system of numbering in use all round the world is probably Indian in origin but the style of the numerals is Arabic and first appears in print in the work of the Muslim mathematicians al-Khwarizmi and al-Kindi around 825. Algebra was named after al-Khwarizmi's book, Al-Jabr wa-al-Muqabilah, much of whose contents are still in use. The work of Muslim maths scholars was imported into Europe 300 years later by the Italian mathematician Fibonacci.

6. By the 9th century, many Muslim scholars took it for granted that the Earth was a sphere. It was 500 years before that realisation dawned on Galileo. The calculations of Muslim astronomers were so accurate that in the 9th century they reckoned the Earth's circumference to be 40,253.4km - less than 200km out.

7. Ibn al-Haytham (965—1040), mathematician and astronomer, made significant contributions to the principles of optics and the use of scientific experiments, and was the first person to realise that light enters the eye, rather than leaving it. He invented the first pin-hole camera after noticing the way light came through a hole in window shutters. The smaller the hole, the better the picture, he worked out, and set up the first Camera Obscura (from the Arab word qamara for a dark or private room). He is also credited with being the first man to shift physics from a philosophical activity to an experimental one.



Source: How Islamic inventors changed the world; "1001 Inventions: Discover the Muslim Heritage in Our World" is a new exhibition which began a nationwide tour this week. It is currently at the Science Museum in Manchester - The Independent, Saturday 11 March 2006

waggawoody wrote on Jun 24^th, 2024 at 6:34pm:


If you have your own point to make, go ahead and make it. You seem afraid to come out and say it for some reason.

Israel sounds good......

Back in the 1850's - WTF is this nonsense about the American continent where so many fled? ... my great-greats on one side left Germany - they were Jews and had no homeland to go to..... so they moved half way around the world for a better life..... and then we got the social scientists....

Same with the Irish, Swedes, Scots, Danes, Cornish, Hebrideans (the Lewis -MacDonald of the Isles) and all the rest who came here... for a better life........ and then we got you lot of dilettantes...

Australia Has Fallen.

I AM seriously considering Israel - with an M-14 with scope and an assault rifle...