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Re: Israel/Hamas
Reply #30 - May 27^th, 2024 at 1:26pm

Aussie wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 12:37pm:

freediver wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 9:08am:

Aussie wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 6:01pm:

Yep, Hamas attacked on October 7. Yes, Israel has very right to defend itself. It has every right to defeat its enemies.

But......

Having achieved that defeat, it does not have the right to then go on and slaughter the militarily defeated.

The similarity between Nazis slaughtering helpless Jews and Jews in Israel slaughtering helpless Hamas cannot be ignored.

Has Hamas surrendered?

Have they returned the hostages?

Don't be a half smart arse all your life.

It's a serious question Aussie. If Hamas has not surrendered, then the war is not over. Are you avoiding the question because you do not know the answer?

Aussie wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 1:23pm:

Frank wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 1:08pm:

Aussie wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 12:37pm:

freediver wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 9:08am:

Aussie wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 6:01pm:

Yep, Hamas attacked on October 7. Yes, Israel has very right to defend itself. It has every right to defeat its enemies.

But......

Having achieved that defeat, it does not have the right to then go on and slaughter the militarily defeated.

The similarity between Nazis slaughtering helpless Jews and Jews in Israel slaughtering helpless Hamas cannot be ignored.

Has Hamas surrendered?

Have they returned the hostages?

Don't be a half smart arse all your life.

Soooooo... where is your "having achieved that defeat", half-smart Arrsie?

There was a Japanese soldier left on some Island who never surrendered in WW2. That did not mean the US had to drop a third bomb on Japan.

You are extremely confused Aussie. I was not talking about a lone Hamas gunman. I was talking about the Hamas leadership. The ones organising the war against Israel.

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Re: Israel/Hamas
Reply #31 - May 27^th, 2024 at 1:30pm

To date, no Sunni Muslim state has intervened against Israel's progress towards ending Gaza.

Notably, Iran - the Shia Muslim sponsor of the Sunni Hamas - has not risked war with Israel over its progress towards ending Gaza.

No Muslim state in the region, Sunni or Shia, has offered refuge or asylum to Gazan Palestinians and, I'd bet, neither would the Palestinian West Bank if they were able to.

Israel's progress towards ending Gaza is covertly supported by every Sunni regime in the region.

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Re: Israel/Hamas
Reply #33 - May 27^th, 2024 at 1:57pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 1:39pm:

Iran's goal in the region is not to drive Israel into the sea, but to prevent the progress of the Abraham Accords to include the likes of Sunni Saudi Arabia (and possibly Iraq after a civil war between Iraqi Sunni and Shia) which would guarantee Sunni regional hegemony over the Shia in the region.

MeisterEckhart is badly misinformed and has turned fantasies into beliefs and facts.

Iraq's Sunnis were defeated by the USA and banished from participation in Iraqi governance.

Shia are a majority in Iraq and are in power.

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The history of Islam in Iraq goes back almost 1,400 years to the lifetime of Muhammad (died in 632). Iraq's 98% majority Muslims follow two distinct traditions: Shia Islam (55-60%) and Sunni Islam (35-40%).

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Re: Israel/Hamas
Reply #34 - May 27^th, 2024 at 2:00pm

Aussie wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 1:23pm:

Frank wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 1:08pm:

Aussie wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 12:37pm:

freediver wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 9:08am:

Aussie wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 6:01pm:

Yep, Hamas attacked on October 7. Yes, Israel has very right to defend itself. It has every right to defeat its enemies.

But......

Having achieved that defeat, it does not have the right to then go on and slaughter the militarily defeated.

The similarity between Nazis slaughtering helpless Jews and Jews in Israel slaughtering helpless Hamas cannot be ignored.

Has Hamas surrendered?

Have they returned the hostages?

Don't be a half smart arse all your life.

Soooooo... where is your "having achieved that defeat", half-smart Arrsie?

There was a Japanese soldier left on some Island who never surrendered in WW2. That did not mean the US had to drop a third bomb on Japan.

Half-arsed nonsense.

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Re: Israel/Hamas
Reply #35 - May 27^th, 2024 at 2:02pm

Frank wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 2:00pm:

Aussie wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 1:23pm:

Frank wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 1:08pm:

Aussie wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 12:37pm:

freediver wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 9:08am:

Aussie wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 6:01pm:

Yep, Hamas attacked on October 7. Yes, Israel has very right to defend itself. It has every right to defeat its enemies.

But......

Having achieved that defeat, it does not have the right to then go on and slaughter the militarily defeated.

The similarity between Nazis slaughtering helpless Jews and Jews in Israel slaughtering helpless Hamas cannot be ignored.

Has Hamas surrendered?

Have they returned the hostages?

Don't be a half smart arse all your life.

Soooooo... where is your "having achieved that defeat", half-smart Arrsie?

There was a Japanese soldier left on some Island who never surrendered in WW2. That did not mean the US had to drop a third bomb on Japan.

Half-arsed nonsense.

Full-arsed Frank.

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Re: Israel/Hamas
Reply #36 - May 27^th, 2024 at 2:22pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 1:57pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 1:39pm:

Iran's goal in the region is not to drive Israel into the sea, but to prevent the progress of the Abraham Accords to include the likes of Sunni Saudi Arabia (and possibly Iraq after a civil war between Iraqi Sunni and Shia) which would guarantee Sunni regional hegemony over the Shia in the region.

MeisterEckhart is badly misinformed and has turned fantasies into beliefs and facts.

Iraq's Sunnis were defeated by the USA and banished from participation in Iraqi governance.

Shia are a majority in Iraq and are in power.

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The history of Islam in Iraq goes back almost 1,400 years to the lifetime of Muhammad (died in 632). Iraq's 98% majority Muslims follow two distinct traditions: Shia Islam (55-60%) and Sunni Islam (35-40%).

Hence a likely civil war in Iraq.

Fanatical religious sectarianism in the region does not allow for indefinite peaceful coexistence.

Civil war in Iraq is inevitable.

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Re: Israel/Hamas
Reply #37 - May 27^th, 2024 at 2:28pm

freediver wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 1:26pm:

Aussie wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 12:37pm:

freediver wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 9:08am:

Aussie wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 6:01pm:

Yep, Hamas attacked on October 7. Yes, Israel has very right to defend itself. It has every right to defeat its enemies.

But......

Having achieved that defeat, it does not have the right to then go on and slaughter the militarily defeated.

The similarity between Nazis slaughtering helpless Jews and Jews in Israel slaughtering helpless Hamas cannot be ignored.

Has Hamas surrendered?

Have they returned the hostages?

Don't be a half smart arse all your life.

It's a serious question Aussie. If Hamas has not surrendered, then the war is not over. Are you avoiding the question because you do not know the answer?

Aussie wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 1:23pm:

Frank wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 1:08pm:

Aussie wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 12:37pm:

freediver wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 9:08am:

Aussie wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 6:01pm:

Yep, Hamas attacked on October 7. Yes, Israel has very right to defend itself. It has every right to defeat its enemies.

But......

Having achieved that defeat, it does not have the right to then go on and slaughter the militarily defeated.

The similarity between Nazis slaughtering helpless Jews and Jews in Israel slaughtering helpless Hamas cannot be ignored.

Has Hamas surrendered?

Have they returned the hostages?

Don't be a half smart arse all your life.

Soooooo... where is your "having achieved that defeat", half-smart Arrsie?

There was a Japanese soldier left on some Island who never surrendered in WW2. That did not mean the US had to drop a third bomb on Japan.

You are extremely confused Aussie. I was not talking about a lone Hamas gunman. I was talking about the Hamas leadership. The ones organising the war against Israel.

Get a new put down line FD. the 'you are confused' one is way overused.

Who cares about their current Leadership? They have been soundly defeated whether they have surrendered or not. Massad can go after them. No need to continue an all out War to get them.

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Re: Israel/Hamas
Reply #38 - May 27^th, 2024 at 2:29pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 2:22pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 1:57pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 1:39pm:

Iran's goal in the region is not to drive Israel into the sea, but to prevent the progress of the Abraham Accords to include the likes of Sunni Saudi Arabia (and possibly Iraq after a civil war between Iraqi Sunni and Shia) which would guarantee Sunni regional hegemony over the Shia in the region.

MeisterEckhart is badly misinformed and has turned fantasies into beliefs and facts.

Iraq's Sunnis were defeated by the USA and banished from participation in Iraqi governance.

Shia are a majority in Iraq and are in power.

Quote:

The history of Islam in Iraq goes back almost 1,400 years to the lifetime of Muhammad (died in 632). Iraq's 98% majority Muslims follow two distinct traditions: Shia Islam (55-60%) and Sunni Islam (35-40%).

Hence a likely civil war in Iraq.

Fanatical religious sectarianism in the region does not allow for indefinite peaceful coexistence.

Civil war in Iraq is inevitable.

Only if US spooks are assembled and ordered to cause violent uprisings as they did in Ukraine.

Keep on fantasizing MeisterEckhart.

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Re: Israel/Hamas
Reply #39 - May 27^th, 2024 at 2:41pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 2:29pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 2:22pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 1:57pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 1:39pm:

Iran's goal in the region is not to drive Israel into the sea, but to prevent the progress of the Abraham Accords to include the likes of Sunni Saudi Arabia (and possibly Iraq after a civil war between Iraqi Sunni and Shia) which would guarantee Sunni regional hegemony over the Shia in the region.

MeisterEckhart is badly misinformed and has turned fantasies into beliefs and facts.

Iraq's Sunnis were defeated by the USA and banished from participation in Iraqi governance.

Shia are a majority in Iraq and are in power.

Quote:

The history of Islam in Iraq goes back almost 1,400 years to the lifetime of Muhammad (died in 632). Iraq's 98% majority Muslims follow two distinct traditions: Shia Islam (55-60%) and Sunni Islam (35-40%).

Hence a likely civil war in Iraq.

Fanatical religious sectarianism in the region does not allow for indefinite peaceful coexistence.

Civil war in Iraq is inevitable.

Only if US spooks are assembled and ordered to cause violent uprisings as they did in Ukraine.

Keep on fantasizing MeisterEckhart.

Were you born after the Iran-Iraq sectarian war of the 80s'?

Then there was the Iraqi civil war of 2006-2008 with its attempted removal of Shias by the Islamic State of Iraq.

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Re: Israel/Hamas
Reply #40 - May 27^th, 2024 at 2:54pm

Aussie wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 2:28pm:

freediver wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 1:26pm:

Aussie wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 12:37pm:

freediver wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 9:08am:

Aussie wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 6:01pm:

Yep, Hamas attacked on October 7. Yes, Israel has very right to defend itself. It has every right to defeat its enemies.

But......

Having achieved that defeat, it does not have the right to then go on and slaughter the militarily defeated.

The similarity between Nazis slaughtering helpless Jews and Jews in Israel slaughtering helpless Hamas cannot be ignored.

Has Hamas surrendered?

Have they returned the hostages?

Don't be a half smart arse all your life.

It's a serious question Aussie. If Hamas has not surrendered, then the war is not over. Are you avoiding the question because you do not know the answer?

Aussie wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 1:23pm:

Frank wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 1:08pm:

Aussie wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 12:37pm:

freediver wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 9:08am:

Aussie wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 6:01pm:

Yep, Hamas attacked on October 7. Yes, Israel has very right to defend itself. It has every right to defeat its enemies.

But......

Having achieved that defeat, it does not have the right to then go on and slaughter the militarily defeated.

The similarity between Nazis slaughtering helpless Jews and Jews in Israel slaughtering helpless Hamas cannot be ignored.

Has Hamas surrendered?

Have they returned the hostages?

Don't be a half smart arse all your life.

Soooooo... where is your "having achieved that defeat", half-smart Arrsie?

There was a Japanese soldier left on some Island who never surrendered in WW2. That did not mean the US had to drop a third bomb on Japan.

You are extremely confused Aussie. I was not talking about a lone Hamas gunman. I was talking about the Hamas leadership. The ones organising the war against Israel.

Get a new put down line FD. the 'you are confused' one is way overused.

Who cares about their current Leadership? They have been soundly defeated whether they have surrendered or not. Massad can go after them. No need to continue an all out War to get them.

The Israeli army cares about the current leadership, because they are the ones directing the attacks against Israel. If Mossad was able to fix the problem for them, it would not still be a problem.

Do you know whether Hamas has surrendered Aussie?

Do you know whether they have returned the hostages?

I realise these might sound like stupid questions, but I ask because you keep saying such stupid things. And yes, you are very confused. As well as completely lacking in morals. A person such as yourself who is prepared to kill 100 million Jews in order to "solve" the problem will never be taken seriously when he tries to tell Israel what they need or do not need.

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 15129 Gender:	Re: Israel/Hamas Reply #41 - May 27^th, 2024 at 3:09pm Whether the hostages are returned or not, whether Hamas is defeated or not, Gaza is destined to be an unpopulated geographical expression.
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Reply #42 - May 27^th, 2024 at 3:53pm

You truly are a cock head, FD.

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The Israeli army cares about the current leadership, because they are the ones directing the attacks against Israel. If Mossad was able to fix the problem for them, it would not still be a problem.

The Israeli Army is the tool of Netanyahu. He is using the very excuses you are to justify continuing a War he has already won. Eckhart may well be right...his blood lust will not be satisfied until there is no Gaza. I am trying to think what that reminds me of, in my 'confused' state.

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Do you know whether Hamas has surrendered Aussie?

Do you know whether they have returned the hostages?

I realise these might sound like stupid questions,

Yes, they are because we both, just like everyone else, know the answer to your half smart crap.

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but I ask because you keep saying such stupid things. And yes, you are very confused. As well as completely lacking in morals. A person such as yourself who is prepared to kill 100 million Jews in order to "solve" the problem will never be taken seriously when he tries to tell Israel what they need or do not need.

One day it will not be just me telling Netanyahu what he needs to do.

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 15129 Gender:	Re: Israel/Hamas Reply #44 - May 27^th, 2024 at 4:06pm Aussie wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 3:53pm: The Israeli Army is the tool of Netanyahu. Netanyahu is the tool of the IDF and Israeli fury, which can only be channelled towards the ultimate goal of ending Gaza. It cannot be halted.
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