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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 50663 At my desk.	using human shields in war May 22^nd, 2024 at 8:27am Here we have it. John actually wants to encourage Muslims to wear their mothers into battle as a shield. John Smith wrote on May 21^st, 2024 at 9:48pm: Quote: What if they hide behind their mothers skirts while lobbing rockets at Israel? You don't take the shot. No one said it was supposed to be easy.
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John Smith Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 77203 Gender:	Re: using human shields in war Reply #1 - May 22^nd, 2024 at 8:49am Here he goes again ... lets see what stupidity you can come up with today
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Reply #2 - May 22^nd, 2024 at 9:03am

The active Mujahideen is an indefatigable wanabe killer [for Allah's Cause],
and a master propagandist, ....and deceiver [for Allah's Cause].

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Yadda said....
in an old post on OzPol......
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QUESTION;
Where have these ISIS 'monsters' come from ?

ANSWER;
These ISIS 'monsters', day by day, year by year, have been, and are, a creation of the philosophy known as ISLAM [and, of the moslem community].

http://www.jihadwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Omar_Bakri_Muhammad.jpg

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On Facebook, Muslim cleric preaches killing of women and children

November 30, 2014 4:08 pm

Omar Bakri Muhammad.“In a section titled ‘killing women and children’ he said this was usually not permissible,

but stated: ‘Having said this, one must distinguish between killing women and children and the Mujahideen fighting the Kuffar [non-believers] enemies wherever they find them, whether that be in a school or hospital or elsewhere.’

He also gave religious authority to the killing of Muslims.

He said in a video on Facebook: ‘Anybody who allies with a taghoot regime [non-Muslims] whether Sunni or Shi’i has no sanctity and his blood is permissible.’

In another posting, he declared that Jews and Christians were ‘enemies’, adding: ‘That animosity is exposed, clear, explicit, there is no doubt about it.'”

It would be refreshing if one of the Muslim spokesmen in the West who have written articles recently explaining that the Islamic State was not Islamic because its jihadis killed women and children would take up Bakri’s argument and explaining why it is wrong on Islamic grounds.

But this probably will not happen......

WWW search

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[also somewhere on OzPol....]

According to ISLAM's 'rules of war',
those who bring children into conflict areas/scenarios, are responsible for their deaths.

But hey, it is the excuse moslems use, when non-moslem children [e.g. Beslan] are intentionally murdered by moslems during Jihad 'operations'.

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There Can Be No End to Jihad'

Islamist Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad, in an exclusive interview, discusses the rationale for 9/11
11/05/2007
...Any weapons are legitimate in jihad. Even animals may be used as "suicide bombers"! It is not restricted by target—even Muslims or children, if used by the enemy as human shields, can be killed.
....Killing women and children never was and never will be part of the jihad in Islam, whether that be the women or children of the Muslims or non-Muslims. So if Chechen mujahedeen killed women and children in Beslan, I would condemn it. The children of non-Muslims, such as those at Beslan, who die in such circumstances go to Paradise.
....Women and children [i.e. boys under 15] or Muslims are not legitimate targets—nor are any noncombatants [clergy, disabled, insane, elderly, etc.]. Not even Israeli children or women, unless they serve in the military, which most do, or live in properties taken from dispossessed Palestinians (Muslim or Christian), which virtually all do.
However, if children are killed, the fault lies with the adult occupiers who brought them into a battlefield situation.

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2005/februaryweb-only/22.0.html

i.e.
#1,
When non-moslem children die during Jihad 'operations', it is the fault of non-moslems.

#2,
And when moslem children die in actions by non-moslems, directed against Jihad 'operations', it is the fault of non-moslems.

...according to moslems.

With moslems it is always the same 'logic', when justifying their barbarity in pursuit of Allah's paradise...

'Heads we win, tails you lose.'

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How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior

January 18, 2012

Preach Peace When Weak, Wage War When Strong

"...all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance.

When Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive."

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-isla...

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Luke 16:31

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Re: using human shields in war
Reply #3 - May 22^nd, 2024 at 9:14am

You all forget that I had the solution ages ago:

get all the women and children out of Gaza and put them into tents
and look after them - well away from the war zone.
Include many men as well in another area in tents but hold them under suspicion.

Then the IDF could go in and have a proper war and clean up HAMAS once and for all
and not have to commit any war crimes.

Instead Israel just went in and bombed everything -
killing mostly women and children.
they are no better than HAMAS.

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 50663 At my desk.	Re: using human shields in war Reply #4 - May 22^nd, 2024 at 9:16am Quote: get all the women and children out of Gaza and put them into tents How? Quote: and look after them - well away from the war zone. Where?
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Re: using human shields in war
Reply #5 - May 22^nd, 2024 at 9:21am

freediver wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 9:16am:

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get all the women and children out of Gaza and put them into tents

How?

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and look after them - well away from the war zone.

Where?

How? - communicate via air dropped leaflets -
tell them to go to the border gate with Israel.
Get them out.

Where? -
Anywhere at least 10kms away from Gaza - set up tents.

This war would have been over 4 months ago if they would have taken my advice.

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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 111774 Melbourne Gender:	Re: using human shields in war Reply #6 - May 22^nd, 2024 at 9:26am Israel had a chance to say - we're better than Hamas - we're better than terrorists - we don't kill women and children. We fight fairly.
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Re: using human shields in war
Reply #7 - May 22^nd, 2024 at 9:27am

Bobby. wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 9:21am:

freediver wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 9:16am:

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get all the women and children out of Gaza and put them into tents

How?

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and look after them - well away from the war zone.

Where?

How? - communicate via air dropped leaflets -
tell them to go to the border gate with Israel.
Get them out.

Where? -
Anywhere at least 10kms away from Gaza - set up tents.

This war would have been over 4 months ago if they would have taken my advice.

What makes you think the Gazans would take your advice and cooperate with Israel to help them kill Hamas?

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John Smith Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 77203 Gender:	Re: using human shields in war Reply #8 - May 22^nd, 2024 at 9:32am Bobby. wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 9:26am: Israel had a chance Israel had an excuse to proceed with their plans to get rid of the Palestians once and for all.
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Re: using human shields in war
Reply #9 - May 22^nd, 2024 at 10:15am

Bobby. wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 9:14am:

Instead Israel just went in......
killing mostly women and children.
they are no better than HAMAS.

bobby,

Everything which we can see in Gaza today, ....it is the gift of Hamas.

That is my opinion.

bobby,

Whenever and wherever the IDF, identify Hamas militants, they are going to target those Hamas militants.

Q.
Then WHY are so many Gazan women and children being killed ?

A.
Because Hamas militants are hiding among Gazan civilians.

bobby,

Q.
If a militant stands behind a woman and child [some distance off],
and if the militant then shoots at >> you [and your family], <<
are you saying that you are not justified,
if you [yourself, in turn] target the militant ?

CONSIDER;
If a militant is taking cover behind [or among] 'non-combatants',
are you going to allow the militant to continue to shoot....at yourself and at another group of 'non-combatants' [i.e. your family, with rockets and bullets, daily] ?

THE REALITY;
If you target the militant,
yes, you may hit 'non-combatants', ....the ones behind whom, the militant shooter, is taking cover.

But you can be confident, that the militant shooter.....ALREADY KNOWS THAT COULD HAPPEN,
and that he has no care.

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bobby,

EVERY devout moslem, wants to die for Allah's Cause.

.....THAT IS A 'RELIGIOUS' PRECEPT OF ISLAM.

It is a great blessing, for the moslem, to die for Allah's Cause.

NOT SO ????

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"Our children are our glory and honor,
they were created to be fertilizer for the land of Palestine,
and for our pure land to be saturated with their blood."

"Moderate" Palestinian Authority TV: Palestinian children created to fertilize the land with their blood
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/02/moderate-palestinian-authority-tv-palestinian-...
2023 live link...... https://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/02/moderate-palestinian-authority-tv-palestinian...

cited on OzPol here......
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1621945743/7#7

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"Say: "...If ye think that ye are friends to Allah, to the exclusion of (other) men, then express your desire for Death, if ye are truthful!" "
Koran 62.06

n.b.
Koran 62.06 is admonishing the believer, that his only true love, in this life [if he is a true moslem], is to die, fighting in Allah's cause. !!!

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Re: using human shields in war
Reply #10 - May 22^nd, 2024 at 3:45pm

freediver wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 9:27am:

Bobby. wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 9:21am:

freediver wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 9:16am:

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get all the women and children out of Gaza and put them into tents

How?

Quote:

and look after them - well away from the war zone.

Where?

How? - communicate via air dropped leaflets -
tell them to go to the border gate with Israel.
Get them out.

Where? -
Anywhere at least 10kms away from Gaza - set up tents.

This war would have been over 4 months ago if they would have taken my advice.

What makes you think the Gazans would take your advice and cooperate with Israel to help them kill Hamas?

Threatening to drop over 30,000 tons of bombs on their heads
would have given them some encouragement -
that's what Israel did anyway. Roll Eyes

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Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 87746 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: using human shields in war Reply #11 - May 22^nd, 2024 at 3:53pm You know what they say about 30,000 tons of bombs..................... not enough bombs ..............
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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 111774 Melbourne Gender:	Re: using human shields in war Reply #12 - May 22^nd, 2024 at 4:32pm Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 3:53pm: You know what they say about 30,000 tons of bombs..................... not enough bombs .............. Israel has plenty more bombs - Biden has supplied them. The civilians have nowhere to go because Israel never implemented the "Bobby's Tent solution."
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Re: using human shields in war
Reply #13 - May 22^nd, 2024 at 5:03pm

Bobby. wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 3:45pm:

freediver wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 9:27am:

Bobby. wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 9:21am:

freediver wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 9:16am:

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get all the women and children out of Gaza and put them into tents

How?

Quote:

and look after them - well away from the war zone.

Where?

How? - communicate via air dropped leaflets -
tell them to go to the border gate with Israel.
Get them out.

Where? -
Anywhere at least 10kms away from Gaza - set up tents.

This war would have been over 4 months ago if they would have taken my advice.

What makes you think the Gazans would take your advice and cooperate with Israel to help them kill Hamas?

Threatening to drop over 30,000 tons of bombs on their heads
would have given them some encouragement -
that's what Israel did anyway. Roll Eyes

If that were true, Hamas would not still be so popular in Gaza.

I think you are being a bit naïve here Bobby. Just like last time you made the same suggestion.

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Re: using human shields in war
Reply #14 - May 22^nd, 2024 at 5:07pm

freediver wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 5:03pm:

If that were true, Hamas would not still be so popular in Gaza.

I think you are being a bit naïve here Bobby. Just like last time you made the same suggestion.

maybe -
Bibi is claiming that Hamas won't allow women and children to leave areas
that are being bombed and attacked by Israel.
He even claims that Hamas has shot people trying to seek shelter elsewhere.
Is that true or is it Israeli propaganda to cover up war crimes?

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