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Little pinks: surrender or die (=negotiation)
May 21st, 2024 at 3:23pm
 
Who do the little pinks demand the destruction of Israel and blame the Jews for everything, but then blame the Ukrainians and the west for the Russian invasion? The same reason that China is the biggest obstacle to an effective economic sanction against Russia for the unjust war.

Because they want China to be able to invade whoever it wants and blame the victim for not surrendering pre-emptively. Or better yet, convince them to surrender pre-emptively.

They do this because with three generations of only-child "little princes" they do not have the cannon fodder that Russia does, even taking into account all the girls that got drowned in buckets.

thegreatdivide wrote on May 20th, 2024 at 3:19pm:
freediver wrote on May 20th, 2024 at 2:36pm:
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No, it is Ukraine's - and NATO's - fault for not negotiating re the status of Russian speaking provinces in Ukraine.


When you say "negotiating", do you mean handing over territory to Russia to save them the effort of invading prevent war?


Yes, because

1. Ukraine has Russian majority provinces.
2. War is the ultimate insanity, though not seen by insane "freedom or death" ideologies like yourself - and Putin who doesn't have to fight on the front line as cannon fodder.   

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war is the ultimate insanity - admittedly  Or do you just mean saying no politely?


No, I mean negotiation to avoid an insane outcome ie war.

And non interference by other war-mongering madmen,  in this case the US.



thegreatdivide wrote on May 21st, 2024 at 10:21am:
freediver wrote on May 21st, 2024 at 7:53am:
thegreatdivide wrote on May 20th, 2024 at 3:19pm:
freediver wrote on May 20th, 2024 at 2:36pm:
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No, it is Ukraine's - and NATO's - fault for not negotiating re the status of Russian speaking provinces in Ukraine.


When you say "negotiating", do you mean handing over territory to Russia to save them the effort of invading prevent war?


Yes, because

1. Ukraine has Russian majority provinces.
2. War is the ultimate insanity, though not seen by insane "freedom or death" ideologies like yourself - and Putin who doesn't have to fight on the front line as cannon fodder.   



How much of Ukraine's territory do you think the Russians would have accepted in exchange for not invading?


It's called negotiation, including the Russians speakers in Ukraine. 

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If the CCP pulled the same stunt, would you blame the invaded country also?


Yes.  The freedom goons in Tawain want war, the CCP wants peace, as do many Taiwanese.

Except China can't "invade" Taiwan which is part of China.


thegreatdivide wrote on May 21st, 2024 at 12:49pm:
freediver wrote on May 21st, 2024 at 10:56am:
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It's called negotiation, including the Russians speakers in Ukraine.


It's called BS propaganda.


??  Russians are a majority in some Ukrainian provinces; they preferred a pro-Russian party in Kiev.

Nothing to do with propaganda.

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How much of Ukraine's territory do you think the Russians would have accepted in exchange for not invading?


The Russian-majority provinces.

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Are you saying they actually won't invade, or they will try to make everyone use a different word for it see sense?


Corrected for you.

Just in case you have forgotten, the UN itself regards Taiwan as part of China. 


Does it matter what the Taiwanese think?

Can you elaborate on your theory of war being justified by the language that people speak?
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Re: Little pinks: surrender or die (=negotiation)
Reply #1 - May 22nd, 2024 at 11:03am
 
thegreatdivide wrote on May 22nd, 2024 at 10:47am:
chimera wrote on May 21st, 2024 at 5:09pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on May 21st, 2024 at 12:49pm:
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How much of Ukraine's territory do you think the Russians would have accepted in exchange for not invading?

The Russian-majority provinces.

'A protection racket ....


False analogy; Ukraine was part of the USSR, meaning Russians settled into Ukraine. Russia wanted to maintain Ukraine as a buffer between it and NATO, but whwn pro NATO forces gained ascendency in Kiev, Putin became paranoid. 

But the US - like you - knows nothing other than the "freedom or death" insanity  (war solves evereything) , hence happy to increase Putin's paranoia.


The following countries were also once part of the USSR: Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Estonia, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Latvia, Lithuania, Moldova, Russia, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Ukraine, and Uzbekistan

Should they all have to go through the same "negotiation" that you insist Ukraine should have?
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Re: Little pinks: surrender or die (=negotiation)
Reply #2 - May 23rd, 2024 at 2:00pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on May 23rd, 2024 at 12:07pm:
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Then why negotiate?


Because that's what internation law requires, to avoid war.


International law does not require countries to give up their territory piece by piece with any country that threatens to invade. Nor does it require them to negotiate anything with such countries. All it requires is that they do not invade.
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