chimera wrote on May 21^st, 2024 at 5:09pm:


False analogy; Ukraine was part of the USSR, meaning Russians settled into Ukraine. Russia wanted to maintain Ukraine as a buffer between it and NATO, but when pro NATO forces gained ascendency in Kiev, Putin became paranoid. 

But the US - like you - knows nothing other than the "freedom or death" insanity  (war solves everything) , hence happy to increase Putin's paranoia.

chimera wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 10:58am:


And we need an international organization capable of protecting us from Putin's paranoia amd NATO's US led triumphalism.   NATO is obsolete - and a threat to world peace - especially in paranoid Putin's eyes, but also in the eyes of people who want common prosperity and security for all.

The vicious US market economy  (separate from  the nationalized Pentagon-led military industrial complex)  is turning out billionaires while there are homeless - no thanks.   

The world needs protection from your "freedom or death" war-mongering ideology.

See, your post from the very beginning, based on defining "protection"  is GIGO.

UN Charter (1946): "in order to save (protect) mankind from the sourge of war.

You are only interested in protecting your own sorry a*se. 

chimera wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 12:28pm:


Only to a "freedom or death" ideologue like  yourself. 

Putin doesn't want the EU (he even  wanted to join NATO in 1990, rebuffed by the US)


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Ah the 'domino theory' of deluded "freedom values" ideologues.

"All must submit to rule of law, for all to be free": Cicero.

Why? Because men aren't naturally cooperative so as to remove the necessity for law, they are naturally competitive and self-interested, by instinct.

chimera wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 1:30pm:


Your insistence that negotiation with Putin is impossible is a definite hint.

Putin wanted to join NATO, but was rebuffed by the US.....on perceived grounds of geopolitical advantage for the US's global-hegemonic aspirations.   

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No, unlike you I understand human motivation - and the need for effective international law. 

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Putin is paranoid, but he was open to negotiation.  You are resorting  to your domino theory again.   

chimera wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 2:06pm:


Can't debate the points I made in #67 ?

I accept your concession. 

Btw, Craig Foster (spokesman for ARM) resigned today, because he believes in international law, not the 'sovereignty' of neanderthals like Netanyahu and Putin (and Hamas).

   

chimera wrote on May 23^rd, 2024 at 11:51am:


No it doesn't, it means certain Russian majority provinces in Ukraine (a hangover from the USSR) object to certain policies from the pro-NATO government in Kiev, which  a paranoid imperialist like Putin thinks he has to deal with.   


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Wrong again, and for the same reason: Berlin was divided by ideology after 1945 (ideological differences between former allies). 

Hence your following questions are invalid.

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Because that's what internation law requires, to avoid war.

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See above.

chimera wrote on May 23^rd, 2024 at 1:32pm:


Article 51
Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security.

The UNSC has STILL NOT taken the necessary steps; ie including the recognition of both states in 1947, after the UN vote supporting the Palestine Partition plan was conducted. 

But more fundamentaly,  Article 51 reveals a contradiction based on confusion over sovereignty: you can't have rule of law AND individual sovereignty.

Which means in the case of member states of the UN,  they don't NEED a "right" to "defend" themselves, they need the UNSC to be able to do its job ie maintain the peace. So why can't the UNSC do its job?  (see below). 

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Russia doesn't have inherent rights to attack another state; it's the job of the UNSC to maintain the peace,  after the ICJ  has ruled on measures to prevent the current civil war in Ukraine - a conflict giving Putin an excuse to invade  E.  Ukraine and Crimea.   


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Putin wants Donetsk because Zelensky is introducing policies which discrimate against the majority Russians living there - which is like waving a red flag in front of Putin. 

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Wrong, as already noted:   Berlin was divided between the "free world" and the USSR immediately after the cessation of hostilities in  WW2.

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NO.

I've already answered FD on this; all you "individual sovereignty" ideologues - who demand the UNSC has its veto powers - are hopeless, incapable of rational argument.

Hint: if Russia didn't have a UNSC veto, it couldn't have invaded Ukraine and remain in the Council, indeed it would have faced the full force of the rest of the world, and Putin's army would have been annihilated  before it corssed over the border.