ProudKangaroo wrote on May 2^nd, 2025 at 3:43pm:


Trump, myself, and Putin (unlike you)   acknowledge Crimea's former relationship with Russia; I thought Trump  would be able to persuade Putin to end the war, based on acknowledgement of Crimea's former status as part of the USSR (both before and after Krushev's intervention).

MY interest is in stopping the war, unlike stupid NATO (which should have been dissolved after the end of the Cold War),  hiding behind the US's skirts.

So to your question: Putin sees NATO as his enemy, responsible for causing civil unrest among citizens in Russian Crimea in 2014 after the 'democratic election'  in Ukraine; that's why Putin annexed Crimea in 2014.

And NATO's continued push to reverse that annexation forced Putin's hand....

So yes, Putin's goal is to ensure Crimea remains out of NATO, and by extension the other Russian speaking provinces. 

But Russia did not defeat  Ukraine in 3 weeks as Putin expected  - a victory Trump would have accepted - and now it cannot defeat NATO, hence the current WW1 deadly trench warfare stalemate, which Trump doesn't want to finance. 

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Putin's goal is keeping Ukraine out of NATO, to stop encroachment on Russian speaking provinces.   

His failure to quickly adopt Trump's proposals to end the war, after failing to defeat Ukraine,  must lead to Russia's ruination, hopefully without WW3....

ProudKangaroo wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 1:14pm:


Trump did offer to back Putin's desire to keep Ukraine out of NATO.

But Putin has shown no interest in ending the war.

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No; Ukraine's membership of NATO is now irrelevant - regardless of Putin's desires,  because Putin has walked away from Trump's proposals to end the war which Russia can't win, while NATO (with or without Trump) supports Ukraine 'to fight to the last Ukrainian' - and the ruination of Russia.

Jovial Monk wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 2:21pm:


Nonsense, Russia could quickly recover its peacetime economy, if crippling Western sanctions were reversed, given its food and energy resources wanted by the world.

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That's what I said a number of times already. 

Do try to keep up.

thegreatdivide wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 1:54pm:


So, the War in Ukraine was, but isn't about NATO now?

Why is Putin and Russia still fighting then?

And was was the point of pushing so hard this narrative that it was about Nazis and NATO?

Re seeing through the other bloke's eyes:  this  from an article headed:

(Dagens.com Austraia)

Putin Blames Romania and Bulgaria for Ukraine War

The documentary repeats long-standing Kremlin talking points, suggesting that the West — particularly NATO and the U.S. — provoked the conflict by expanding military presence near Russia’s borders.

The presence of American forces in Romania and Bulgaria has long been a point of tension, though Western officials have emphasized these deployments are defensive in nature and fully aligned with NATO commitments.

So the West still saw Russia through the Cold War lens....and how are militaries "defensive", when the missiles are pointed in one direction? 

Deplorable, guaranteed to raise tensions in the area, when Russia never had designs on Romania and Bulgaria, post the end of the Cold War.

Pecker promised to leave the forum forever if Trump won and that was nearly a decade ago.

Macron, Starmer, and Merz caught on video on their return from Kiev. A bag of white powder on the table. Macron quickly pockets it, Merz hides the spoon. No explanation given. Zelensky, known cocaine enthusiast, had just hosted them. Connect the dots.


https://x.com/goddeketal/status/1921558762684367174