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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 13801 Armidale Gender:	Re: Ukraine war update Reply #1515 - Mar 21^st, 2025 at 12:38pm Bobby. wrote on Mar 21^st, 2025 at 12:08pm: especially since help using the F-35 could be secret. They are like hidden microphones and cyber-hacks. And fast, too.
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Reply #1516 - Mar 22^nd, 2025 at 1:01pm

ProudKangaroo wrote on Mar 18^th, 2025 at 11:30am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 18^th, 2025 at 10:54am:

The aggressor in Putin's eyes was/is American imperialism

And we're done.

If you truly believe that, it's pointless to continue.

You missed the point, it's not what I believe, it's what Putin thinks; it would be smart to understand WHY he thinks it (since we are living in the age of MAD).

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Reply #1517 - Mar 22^nd, 2025 at 1:11pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 19^th, 2025 at 10:18pm:

Unleash The Germans!!

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/germany-s-parliament-passes-historic-packag...

"Germany's parliament on Tuesday passed a historic bill unlocking a record level of state borrowing for defence and infrastructure through amending the country's constitutionally enshrined fiscal rules.

The vote made it through the parliament with 513 votes in favour — above the 489 votes required.

The law still needs a two-thirds majority in the Bundesrat, Germany's upper house representing the country's states, to become law.

The crucial vote in the Bundestag followed weeks of debate sparked when Merz's Christian Democratic Union (CDU) and would-be coalition partners Social Democrats (SPD) unveiled plans to unleash hundreds of billions in spending through loosening Germany's constitutionally-enshrined "debt brake."

Merz faced a tense race to push the proposal through ahead of the new parliament convening on 25 March, where the far-left Die Linke and far-right Alternative for Germany (AfD) would have the ability to block the package.

The Greens were originally reluctant to offer their support of the bill until Merz last week gave the party guarantees that €100 billion of the special fund would be directed to supporting climate economic transformation measures.

The historic deal marks a shift away from decades of fiscal conservatism. Out of the proposals, defence spending above 1% of Germany's gross domestic product is effectively exempt from the country's "debt brake", which was written into the constitution in 2009.

A €500 billion special fund will also be created to finance infrastructure projects outside of the ordinary budget over the next decade, and give Germany's 16 states leeway to borrow the equivalent of around €15 billion.

Merz — who campaigned against reforming the debt brake throughout his career — has framed his U-turn necessary in response to a changing security landscape***.

"Our friends in the EU are looking to us just as much as our adversaries and the enemies of our democratic and rules-based order," Merz said on Tuesday ahead of the vote.

Defence Minister Boris Pistorius defended the decision to lift fiscal rules to invest in Germany's defence, including its woefully underfunded army.

"Our security must not be jeopardized by budgetary constraints," Pistorius said, adding that "anyone who hesitates today is denying reality."
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Well - I guess we all know what that means.

Don't tell us....

But indeed, nothing like the threat of war to loosen the purse strings, even for a Conservative like Merz*** with his delusional "balanced budget"/debt brake mantra who refused to spend to upgrade the nation's infrastructure.

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 13801 Armidale Gender:	Re: Ukraine war update Reply #1518 - Mar 22^nd, 2025 at 6:32pm thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2025 at 1:01pm: what Putin thinks; it would be smart to understand WHY he thinks it The reason why is that Vlad of Leningrad was a crim hoodlum, became a thieving president and projects his criminality onto all Europeans. So he thinks NATO will take the land of Ukraine as he has done..
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Reply #1519 - Mar 23^rd, 2025 at 9:47am

chimera wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2025 at 6:32pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2025 at 1:01pm:

what Putin thinks; it would be smart to understand WHY he thinks it

The reason why is that Vlad of Leningrad was a crim hoodlum, became a thieving president and projects his criminality onto all Europeans. So he thinks NATO will take the land of Ukraine as he has done..

Yes, projection is a wide-spread problem - like you lot who claim that if Putin gets to take Russian-speaking Ukraine, he will want all of it.

Putin wanted Russia to be part of the West after the fall of the USSR. He was rebuked, now you are paying the price.

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Re: Ukraine war update
Reply #1520 - Mar 23^rd, 2025 at 10:38am

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2025 at 9:47am:

chimera wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2025 at 6:32pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2025 at 1:01pm:

what Putin thinks; it would be smart to understand WHY he thinks it

The reason why is that Vlad of Leningrad was a crim hoodlum, became a thieving president and projects his criminality onto all Europeans. So he thinks NATO will take the land of Ukraine as he has done..

Yes, projection is a wide-spread problem - like you lot who claim that if Putin gets to take Russian-speaking Ukraine, he will want all of it.

Putin wanted Russia to be part of the West after the fall of the USSR. He was rebuked, now you are paying the price.

If Putin thinks that way, it's more of a reason why he needs to be stopped.

He is a threat to global stability, as is Trump now.

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Reply #1521 - Mar 23^rd, 2025 at 10:51am

ProudKangaroo wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2025 at 10:38am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2025 at 9:47am:

chimera wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2025 at 6:32pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2025 at 1:01pm:

what Putin thinks; it would be smart to understand WHY he thinks it

The reason why is that Vlad of Leningrad was a crim hoodlum, became a thieving president and projects his criminality onto all Europeans. So he thinks NATO will take the land of Ukraine as he has done..

Yes, projection is a wide-spread problem - like you lot who claim that if Putin gets to take Russian-speaking Ukraine, he will want all of it.

Putin wanted Russia to be part of the West after the fall of the USSR. He was rebuked, now you are paying the price.

If Putin thinks that way, it's more of a reason why he needs to be stopped.

Thinks what way?

I pointed out everyone is paranoid about the other guy (hence the projections chimera mentioned), in the stupid game of ensuring 'national security' in the absence of an internationl rules-based system.

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He is a threat to global stability, as is Trump now.

Trump wants to stop spending US money on Ukraine's defence; and Putin is telling Trump "we've got nukes too..."

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Reply #1522 - Mar 23^rd, 2025 at 11:21am

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2025 at 9:47am:

you lot who claim that if Putin gets to take Russian-speaking Ukraine, he will want all of it.

' To this end, we will seek to demilitarise and denazify Ukraine, as well as bring to trial those who perpetrated numerous bloody crimes against civilians, including against citizens of the Russian Federation.'
http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/67843
Putin on the day before he invaded Kyiv.

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Reply #1523 - Mar 23^rd, 2025 at 12:57pm

https://defence-blog.com/western-tech-found-in-downed-russian-s-70-drone/

The sanctions aren't working.

Western tech found in downed Russian S-70 drone

News Aviation

Nov 11, 2024

Western manufacturers such as
Analog Devices, Texas Instruments, and Xilinx-AMD from the United States,
as well as Infineon Technologies from Germany and STMicroelectronics from Switzerland.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 148885 Gender:	Re: Ukraine war update Reply #1524 - Mar 23^rd, 2025 at 2:54pm So, Trump (the rapist and convicted felon) said he'd end the war in 24 hours. How's that working out then? Anyone? Anyone?
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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 55365 Gender:	Re: Ukraine war update Reply #1525 - Mar 23^rd, 2025 at 4:08pm greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2025 at 2:54pm: So, Trump (the rapist and convicted felon) said he'd end the war in 24 hours. How's that working out then? Anyone? Anyone? You said you'd piss off if he won in 2016 and then again if he ran again. How is that going, creepy liar? Any idea?
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Reply #1526 - Mar 23^rd, 2025 at 7:05pm

I am amused that so many 'right wing' people both here and in the US have suddenly decided that Russia, the traditional boogieman of the west, has suddenly become the good guy because Trump has told them so. This is a scenario straight out of Orwell's 1984.....

Actually, as Winston well knew, it was only four years since Oceania had been at war with Eastasia and in alliance with Eurasia. But that was merely a piece of furtive knowledge which he happened to possess because his memory was not satisfactorily under control. Officially the change of partners had never happened. Oceania was at war with Eurasia: therefore Oceania had always been at war with Eurasia. The enemy of the moment always represented absolute evil, and it followed that any past or future agreement with him was impossible.

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Reply #1527 - Mar 23^rd, 2025 at 7:38pm

Belgarion wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2025 at 7:05pm:

I am amused that so many 'right wing' people both here and in the US have suddenly decided that Russia, the traditional boogieman of the west, has suddenly become the good guy because Trump has told them so. This is a scenario straight out of Orwell's 1984.....

Actually, as Winston well knew, it was only four years since Oceania had been at war with Eastasia and in alliance with Eurasia. But that was merely a piece of furtive knowledge which he happened to possess because his memory was not satisfactorily under control. Officially the change of partners had never happened. Oceania was at war with Eurasia: therefore Oceania had always been at war with Eurasia. The enemy of the moment always represented absolute evil, and it followed that any past or future agreement with him was impossible.

Where do we go? With the extreme lefts Ministry of Truth and MAGA's Ministry of Peace, I think we're rooted. Goodbye Western civilisation, would could have predicted it'd die in an internal culture war.

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Reply #1528 - Mar 24^th, 2025 at 6:57am

This is not good news for Ukraine:

Ukraine is having trouble getting Patriot missiles and systems
to defend themselves from Russian attacks.
Trump wants Ukraine to get them from Europe which is not that likely.
https://kyivindependent.com/trump-agrees-to-help-find-patriot-air-defenses-for-u...
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Trump agrees to help Ukraine find available Patriot air defense systems in Europe, White House says

The only alternative is the European SAMP/T system but -
https://bulgarianmilitary.com/2025/03/15/rome-cant-supply-more-samp-t-missiles-t...
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Rome can’t supply more SAMP/T missiles to Kyiv, reserves low

But the SAMP/T systems are not as good as the patriot.
https://meta-defense.fr/en/2025/03/12/samp-t-vs-patriot-en-ukraine/

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SAMP/T accused of inferior performance to Patriot in Ukraine by the US press

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Ukraine war update Reply #1529 - Mar 24^th, 2025 at 8:19pm Patriot missiles are flooding into Ukraine ATM. When a monkey is in charge things change unpredictably.
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