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Re: Ukraine war update
Reply #1470 - Mar 18^th, 2025 at 11:30am

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 18^th, 2025 at 10:54am:

The aggressor in Putin's eyes was/is American imperialism

And we're done.

If you truly believe that, it's pointless to continue.

That is the poorest excuse for the lives in Ukraine that Putin has taken and you should be ashamed for trying to push such blatant bullshit.

I won't waste mine or your time any further.

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Reply #1471 - Mar 19^th, 2025 at 5:17pm

So far only a piss poor deal:

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/trump-hold-call-with-putin-test-deal-making...

Putin agrees to 30-day halt on energy facility strikes but no full Ukraine ceasefire

By Jeff Mason and Joseph Ax
March 19, 20251:44 PM GMT+11Updated 4 hours ago

Summary

US, Russia agree to Russia-Ukraine energy infrastructure ceasefire

Further negotiations to begin 'immediately,' White House says

Russia has not agreed to US-proposed 30-day truce despite Ukraine's willingness

WASHINGTON, March 18 (Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin agreed on Tuesday to stop attacking Ukrainian energy facilities temporarily but declined to endorse a full 30-day ceasefire that President Donald Trump hoped would be the first step toward a permanent peace deal.
Ukraine said it would support the scaled-back agreement, which would require both countries to hold off firing on each other's energy infrastructure for about a month. Experts said Putin avoided making significant concessions in what could be a play for time as Russian troops advance in eastern Ukraine.

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Re: Ukraine war update
Reply #1472 - Mar 19^th, 2025 at 5:22pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 19^th, 2025 at 5:17pm:

So far only a piss poor deal:

The fart of the deal.

Trump - the "President of peace" - has escalated global war in the short time he's been back in the White House.

Gaza, Syria, Ukraine - all out of control with more intensified fighting than ever before.

Trump is edging the world closer to WWIII.

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Re: Ukraine war update
Reply #1473 - Mar 19^th, 2025 at 5:49pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 19^th, 2025 at 5:22pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 19^th, 2025 at 5:17pm:

So far only a piss poor deal:

The fart of the deal.

Trump - the "President of peace" - has escalated global war in the short time he's been back in the White House.

Gaza, Syria, Ukraine - all out of control with more intensified fighting than ever before.

Trump is edging the world closer to WWIII.

Hi Greggy,
I think we need to start posting on some Prepper website -

get food such as: rice, canned food, dried food -
have water bottles ready.

This could be the End Times as prophesied in the Bible -

the final battle is at Armageddon.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 116230 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Ukraine war update Reply #1475 - Mar 19^th, 2025 at 6:11pm Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 19^th, 2025 at 5:57pm: End Times is some bullshit made up by someone on magic mushrooms! Blasphemy.
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 116230 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Ukraine war update Reply #1476 - Mar 19^th, 2025 at 6:16pm A prepper getting ready for WW3: Are there any preppers here? - those who have a bunker, gas masks, weapons, water and food?
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Ukraine war update Reply #1477 - Mar 19^th, 2025 at 6:35pm Bobby. wrote on Mar 19^th, 2025 at 6:11pm: Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 19^th, 2025 at 5:57pm: End Times is some bullshit made up by someone on magic mushrooms! Blasphemy. Fact.
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 116230 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Ukraine war update Reply #1478 - Mar 19^th, 2025 at 6:46pm In some ways Monk is a prepper - he'll be safe in Tassie if WW3 breaks out - it will be far away from any military activities - it's not a target.
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Re: Ukraine war update
Reply #1479 - Mar 19^th, 2025 at 7:25pm

Russia has been suffering recently from numerous successful attacks by Ukraine
onto Russian oil refineries (ie, "energy infrastructure").

It's all due to an upgrade to the their Neptune missiles -
they don't rely on US intelligence information:

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Ukraine successfully used Neptune to strike the Tuapse oil refinery,
one of Russia’s largest energy facilities,
dealing a major blow to Russian industry and its war effort.

In a strange way it means that the limited cease fire is bad for Ukraine.

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Reply #1480 - Mar 19^th, 2025 at 8:21pm

Wow – the limited ceasefire agreement only lasted for 2 hours: Roll Eyes

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-ukraine-trade-accusations-infrastruc...

March 19 (Reuters) – Russia and Ukraine accused each other on Wednesday of launching air attacks that struck civilian targets including infrastructure, just hours after President Vladimir Putin told President Donald Trump he would pause attacks on Ukraine's energy system.

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Re: Ukraine war update
Reply #1481 - Mar 19^th, 2025 at 8:25pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 19^th, 2025 at 8:21pm:

Wow – the limited ceasefire agreement only lasted for 2 hours: Roll Eyes

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-ukraine-trade-accusations-infrastruc...

March 19 (Reuters) – Russia and Ukraine accused each other on Wednesday of launching air attacks that struck civilian targets including infrastructure, just hours after President Vladimir Putin told President Donald Trump he would pause attacks on Ukraine's energy system.

Slavs are like that - Russians and Ukrainians -
they will never stop until they are all dead.

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Re: Ukraine war update
Reply #1482 - Mar 19^th, 2025 at 9:00pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 18^th, 2025 at 10:54am:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Mar 18^th, 2025 at 7:32am:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 18^th, 2025 at 6:54am:

I applaud the brave Ukrainians who spilt their blood to stop the wicked Russian invasion.

It became trench warfare 2 months in.
At this stage a deal should have been done.

Since then maybe a million have died for no situational change.

This waste of life and of infrastructure has been cheered on by keyboard warriors in the west.

The situational change is that without that, Russia would have taken over all of Ukraine leaving its people at the mercy of an authoritarian regime with a proven record of brutality. What then? Do we pretend that submission ensures peace rather than subjugation?

What was the "authoritarian regime with a proven record of brutality", after the USSR collapsed and Russia wanted to join the capitalist liberal democracies - but was spurned?

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Your unwavering devotion to Trump has led you to parrot Kremlin propaganda, condemning Ukraine and the international community for daring to resist imperialist aggression.

The aggressor in Putin's eyes was/is American imperialism; indeed Trump wants Putin on side, so the US - seeking to maintain global hegemony - can resist the rise of the much more capable competitor that is China.

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It’s a perverse inversion of reality, one that conveniently absolves the true aggressor while maligning those who defend themselves.

Did you ever answer the question: who was the "aggressor" in the Cold War?

(I see Monk merely dismisses the question, not wanting to consider the competing ideologies behind the Cold War which remain a factor in the causation of the current coflict, despite the apparent resolution of the Cold War (when the USSR collapsed): there are a number of Russian speaking areas within the current Ukrainian borders (hence Trump's acknowledgement of the "very compex issues" involved in getting a deal).

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What happens when their so-called "peace deal" expires?

A good deal between Trump and Putin won't expire, and Ukraine will be more internally stable if it lets go of the Russian speaking provinces.

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....the predictable consequence of appeasement?

On "appeasement": Trump wants a deal with Putin which rules out war between Ukraine and Russia, which is not "appeasement", since 5 Russian speaking provinces of Ukraine ought to belong to Russia.

If Hilter had not made the mistake of invading Poland, then Chamberland would be considered a peacemaker, not an appeaser. You keep saying what Russia will do in the future, without knowing what Trump's deal with Putin is.

Meanwhile, the killing goes on.

There are a lot of English speaking countries in the world that obviously need to be ceded to the UK, yeah?

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Re: Ukraine war update
Reply #1483 - Mar 19^th, 2025 at 10:18pm

Unleash The Germans!!

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/germany-s-parliament-passes-historic-packag...

"Germany's parliament on Tuesday passed a historic bill unlocking a record level of state borrowing for defence and infrastructure through amending the country's constitutionally enshrined fiscal rules.

The vote made it through the parliament with 513 votes in favour — above the 489 votes required.

The law still needs a two-thirds majority in the Bundesrat, Germany's upper house representing the country's states, to become law.

The crucial vote in the Bundestag followed weeks of debate sparked when Merz's Christian Democratic Union (CDU) and would-be coalition partners Social Democrats (SPD) unveiled plans to unleash hundreds of billions in spending through loosening Germany's constitutionally-enshrined "debt brake."

Merz faced a tense race to push the proposal through ahead of the new parliament convening on 25 March, where the far-left Die Linke and far-right Alternative for Germany (AfD) would have the ability to block the package.

The Greens were originally reluctant to offer their support of the bill until Merz last week gave the party guarantees that €100 billion of the special fund would be directed to supporting climate economic transformation measures.

The historic deal marks a shift away from decades of fiscal conservatism. Out of the proposals, defence spending above 1% of Germany's gross domestic product is effectively exempt from the country's "debt brake", which was written into the constitution in 2009.

A €500 billion special fund will also be created to finance infrastructure projects outside of the ordinary budget over the next decade, and give Germany's 16 states leeway to borrow the equivalent of around €15 billion.

Merz — who campaigned against reforming the debt brake throughout his career — has framed his U-turn necessary in response to a changing security landscape.

"Our friends in the EU are looking to us just as much as our adversaries and the enemies of our democratic and rules-based order," Merz said on Tuesday ahead of the vote.

Defence Minister Boris Pistorius defended the decision to lift fiscal rules to invest in Germany's defence, including its woefully underfunded army.

"Our security must not be jeopardized by budgetary constraints," Pistorius said, adding that "anyone who hesitates today is denying reality."
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Well - I guess we all know what that means.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Ukraine war update Reply #1484 - Mar 20^th, 2025 at 5:46am Bobby. wrote on Mar 19^th, 2025 at 6:46pm: In some ways Monk is a prepper - he'll be safe in Tassie if WW3 breaks out - it will be far away from any military activities - it's not a target. Nah Tassie is beautiful, a blessed climate, beautiful if hilly landscapes and relaxed lifestyle.
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