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Re: Ukraine war update
Reply #1425 - Mar 15th, 2025 at 10:02am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 15th, 2025 at 9:40am:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 13th, 2025 at 9:09pm:
Putin will reject Trump’s Ukraine ceasefire deal despite Trump’s pandering.


Art of the deal   Roll Eyes



Trump could win the Nobel peace prize.
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Reply #1426 - Mar 15th, 2025 at 10:07am
 
Bobby. wrote on Mar 15th, 2025 at 10:02am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 15th, 2025 at 9:40am:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 13th, 2025 at 9:09pm:
Putin will reject Trump’s Ukraine ceasefire deal despite Trump’s pandering.


Art of the deal   Roll Eyes



Trump could win the Nobel peace prize. 


Oh come on, that would break the lefties. imagine the meltdown when Trump wins the noble peace prize.
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Fareed Zakaria defined the term as "hatred of President Trump so intense that it impairs people's judgment"

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Reply #1427 - Mar 15th, 2025 at 10:52am
 
chimera wrote on Mar 13th, 2025 at 5:19pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 13th, 2025 at 3:31pm:
Putin doesn't accept his countrymen being subject to NATO right on his border.


Countrymen of Ukraine are Putin's property by racial supremacy. Tsar NATO (1947-2025) has declared war on Slavs but will lose to the pure blood of Holy Russia.


Your error: Russian countrymen in Ukraine are there because of the fact it was part of the USSR until recently (1990), when it declared independence.

(google)

The ongoing conflict between Russia and Ukraine has its roots in the complex and often fraught history between the two nations, including the legacy of the Soviet Union and the (earlier) Russian Empire.

The countrymen in question ARE Russians, rergardless of ethnic "pure blood".
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Re: Ukraine war update
Reply #1428 - Mar 15th, 2025 at 10:58am
 
Bobby. wrote on Mar 15th, 2025 at 10:02am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 15th, 2025 at 9:40am:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 13th, 2025 at 9:09pm:
Putin will reject Trump’s Ukraine ceasefire deal despite Trump’s pandering.


Art of the deal   Roll Eyes



Trump could win the Nobel peace prize. 


For what?   Undecided

Moving the world closer to nuclear war?
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Re: Ukraine war update
Reply #1429 - Mar 15th, 2025 at 11:05am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 15th, 2025 at 10:58am:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 15th, 2025 at 10:02am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 15th, 2025 at 9:40am:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 13th, 2025 at 9:09pm:
Putin will reject Trump’s Ukraine ceasefire deal despite Trump’s pandering.


Art of the deal   Roll Eyes



Trump could win the Nobel peace prize. 


For what?   Undecided

Moving the world closer to nuclear war?


Yes for moving the world closer to nuclear war, Trump has suggested that Poland should get nuclear weapons and NATO should attack Russia, these are the things that will win Trump the noble peace prize.
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Reply #1430 - Mar 15th, 2025 at 11:06am
 
Leroy wrote on Mar 15th, 2025 at 10:07am:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 15th, 2025 at 10:02am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 15th, 2025 at 9:40am:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 13th, 2025 at 9:09pm:
Putin will reject Trump’s Ukraine ceasefire deal despite Trump’s pandering.


Art of the deal   Roll Eyes



Trump could win the Nobel peace prize. 


Oh come on, that would break the lefties. imagine the meltdown when Trump wins the noble peace prize.


And chimera? He ain't a 'lefty'...while  I would say I belong to the Left (admittedly, not mainstream freemarket Left who have abandoned Keynesian deficit- spending and demand balanced government budgets) and so I wouldn't mind Trump winning the Peace Prize if he quickly ends the war in Ukraine.


And - unlike you and most on this board- I also love Trump for upending economic orthodoxy, though I think he won't last long when a recession starts in the US as a result of his global tariffs, the likely outcome of his policies which he thinks will MAGA.... while cutting taxes and government spending and  trying to 'balance the budget'.
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Re: Ukraine war update
Reply #1431 - Mar 15th, 2025 at 11:32am
 
Leroy wrote on Mar 15th, 2025 at 11:05am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 15th, 2025 at 10:58am:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 15th, 2025 at 10:02am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 15th, 2025 at 9:40am:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 13th, 2025 at 9:09pm:
Putin will reject Trump’s Ukraine ceasefire deal despite Trump’s pandering.


Art of the deal   Roll Eyes



Trump could win the Nobel peace prize. 


For what?   Undecided

Moving the world closer to nuclear war?


Yes for moving the world closer to nuclear war, Trump has suggested that Poland should get nuclear weapons and NATO should attack Russia, these are the things that will win Trump the noble peace prize.


He's cemented the reality that no nuclear-armed nation will ever willingly disarm, while sending a clear message to those pursuing such weapons that nuclear capability is the only true guarantee of power and protection.

The United States can no longer be trusted by its former allies, its reliability shattered by reckless treaty violations and a disturbing alignment with Russia.

You can attempt to spin this however you like, deflect, reframe, or drown it in partisan justifications, but the facts remain. Trump's deliberate actions in undermining arms control agreements and emboldening adversaries have made nuclear conflict a greater likelihood in humanity’s future, rendering the world a far more dangerous place.

So much winning, are you tired of it yet?
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Re: Ukraine war update
Reply #1432 - Mar 15th, 2025 at 12:16pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Mar 15th, 2025 at 9:32am:
The story is different from Ukraine:

https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine-war-latest-kyiv-denies-trumps-claims/

Quote:
Ukraine's General Staff on March 14 denied claims that Ukrainian troops were encircled
in Kursk Oblast amid Russia's ongoing offensive in the region.

The Kyiv Independent could not verify these reports.


So – are the Ukrainian troops surrounded or not?




What is going on?
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Reply #1433 - Mar 15th, 2025 at 12:20pm
 

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/03/14/europe/putin-kursk-ukrainian-troops-zelensky-...

Putin calls on Ukrainian troops in Kursk to surrender

US President Donald Trump’s wish to spare the soldiers’ lives as
Russian forces retake the area and claimed surrendering soldiers’ lives would be guaranteed.
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Reply #1434 - Mar 15th, 2025 at 12:32pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Mar 15th, 2025 at 12:20pm:
https://edition.cnn.com/2025/03/14/europe/putin-kursk-ukrainian-troops-zelensky-...

Putin calls on Ukrainian troops in Kursk to surrender

US President Donald Trump’s wish to spare the soldiers’ lives as
Russian forces retake the area and claimed surrendering soldiers’ lives would be guaranteed.


Little Johny gets confronted by a bully,

Bully: "Give me your lunch money or you'll be beaten up"

Classmate: "You'd better give him your lunch money so you don't get beaten up"

Teacher: "This is your fault Johny, I'll only help you if you give me half your lunch money every day from now on."

Johny: "Here you go Miss"

Teacher: "Good, now give the bully the other half of your lunch money and we'll call it even"

Johny: "But what if the bully does the same thing tomorrow, like he's done many times before, even annexing my lunch box!"

Teacher: "He won't, we have an agreement that he'll let me keep taking half of your lunch money without getting in my way"

Johny: "That sounds like protection for you, not me!?"

Teacher: "You've not even said thank you and you're wearing the wrong uniform!!!!"
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Reply #1435 - Mar 15th, 2025 at 12:51pm
 
ProudKangaroo wrote on Mar 15th, 2025 at 12:32pm:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 15th, 2025 at 12:20pm:
https://edition.cnn.com/2025/03/14/europe/putin-kursk-ukrainian-troops-zelensky-...

Putin calls on Ukrainian troops in Kursk to surrender

US President Donald Trump’s wish to spare the soldiers’ lives as
Russian forces retake the area and claimed surrendering soldiers’ lives would be guaranteed.


Little Johny gets confronted by a bully,

Bully: "Give me your lunch money or you'll be beaten up"

Classmate: "You'd better give him your lunch money so you don't get beaten up"

Teacher: "This is your fault Johny, I'll only help you if you give me half your lunch money every day from now on."

Johny: "Here you go Miss"

Teacher: "Good, now give the bully the other half of your lunch money and we'll call it even"

Johny: "But what if the bully does the same thing tomorrow, like he's done many times before, even annexing my lunch box!"

Teacher: "He won't, we have an agreement that he'll let me keep taking half of your lunch money without getting in my way"

Johny: "That sounds like protection for you, not me!?"

Teacher: "You've not even said thank you and you're wearing the wrong uniform!!!!"



not quite.



trump sees the world , probably the way marlon brando saw the world in the excellent Godfather.

the world (according to donald and he certainly has an interesting take) is made up of familes, led by "dons" (mafia bosses if you will).

so we have don donald in the west, don vlad in the centre and don xi in the east.

the bosses respect each other and dont crap on each other.

they understand "power'

what the bosses wont tolerate is underlings in their own "sphere of influence" who are not grateful and who dont pay homage.


so trump is going to be more brutal with , say, trudeau or mexico or albo  and more so if they "act up"

he is probably going to be quite courteous to vlad and xi and with good reasons, it maintains world order.



so little johnny who gets his lunch stolen needs a powerful ally.

he cant go , as zelensky did, with an aura of arrogance and entitlement to "the don"

no mafia boss is going to tolerate that !!.

he has to show loyalty to don donald and show him respect as the leader of the family.




its intersting that peter thielle, zuck, elon, larry page, sundar, cook, mark andreeson seem to understand what trump understands

that the world is probably going to be ruled by oligarchs ( ie , people like those just named) and that they will be able to operate much more smoothly if they have the protection of a "don" (mafia boss).

they will have to pay their dues of course.

what is the real purpose of tarriffs?

easy

they are a way of making people come "cap in hand " to the boss and ask for a favour.

we saw this in the Godfather movie.

people need to bring gifts and pay up.

it was always so.

the more things change, the more they stay the same.

certainly trump has shaken up the world, he is the paradigm shift, democracy will have a new flavour and the little whiney sooky complaining punk ass bitch who thought government existed to 'pleasure " him is in for one hell of a rude awakening Embarrassed Embarrassed
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Re: Ukraine war update
Reply #1436 - Mar 15th, 2025 at 12:55pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Mar 15th, 2025 at 12:51pm:
ProudKangaroo wrote on Mar 15th, 2025 at 12:32pm:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 15th, 2025 at 12:20pm:
https://edition.cnn.com/2025/03/14/europe/putin-kursk-ukrainian-troops-zelensky-...

Putin calls on Ukrainian troops in Kursk to surrender

US President Donald Trump’s wish to spare the soldiers’ lives as
Russian forces retake the area and claimed surrendering soldiers’ lives would be guaranteed.


Little Johny gets confronted by a bully,

Bully: "Give me your lunch money or you'll be beaten up"

Classmate: "You'd better give him your lunch money so you don't get beaten up"

Teacher: "This is your fault Johny, I'll only help you if you give me half your lunch money every day from now on."

Johny: "Here you go Miss"

Teacher: "Good, now give the bully the other half of your lunch money and we'll call it even"

Johny: "But what if the bully does the same thing tomorrow, like he's done many times before, even annexing my lunch box!"

Teacher: "He won't, we have an agreement that he'll let me keep taking half of your lunch money without getting in my way"

Johny: "That sounds like protection for you, not me!?"

Teacher: "You've not even said thank you and you're wearing the wrong uniform!!!!"

not quite.


That's actually exactly what's happening.

I appreciate the long and thoughtful response however, and the Godfather is a great trilogy with the second movie being my favourite, you can skip the third, but the rest of what you'd said is your typical manipulative horse s
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aimed at nothing more than defending Trump because you are uncontrollably compelled to do so.
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Reply #1437 - Mar 15th, 2025 at 1:14pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Mar 15th, 2025 at 12:51pm:
democracy will have a new flavour

It's actually quite an old flavour and was used successfully by Neanderthal brutes in their caves and towers.
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Reply #1438 - Mar 15th, 2025 at 1:15pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Mar 15th, 2025 at 12:51pm:
so we have don donald in the west, don vlad in the centre and don xi in the east.



Yalta 2.0?

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Reply #1439 - Mar 15th, 2025 at 1:18pm
 
chimera wrote on Mar 15th, 2025 at 1:14pm:
aquascoot wrote on Mar 15th, 2025 at 12:51pm:
democracy will have a new flavour

It's actually quite an old flavour and was used successfully by Neanderthal brutes in their caves and towers.


aqua is talking about a new flavour, not the old one,  do try to keep up.
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