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Re: We Need A Increase In The Minimum Wage
Reply #45 - May 29^th, 2024 at 9:31pm

whiteknight wrote on May 29^th, 2024 at 9:28pm:

$23.23 per hour Huh

What is the minimum wage in Australia? As of 1 July 2023, the minimum wage is $23.23 per hour, or $882.80 per 38-hour week. This is an 8.6% increase in the national minimum wage. This increase applied from the first full pay period starting on or after 1 July 2023.

Some people are not worth $23 an hour.
So your taxes are paying for them not to work.
Mad.

Abolish minimum wage. It's a stupid idea.

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whiteknight Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 8928 melbourne Gender:	Re: We Need A Increase In The Minimum Wage Reply #46 - May 30^th, 2024 at 4:17am Some bosses are not worth working for.
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aquascoot Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 37191 Gender:	Re: We Need A Increase In The Minimum Wage Reply #47 - May 30^th, 2024 at 5:23am you cant get rich by taking, you have to give first jesus said it
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whiteknight Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 8928 melbourne Gender:	Re: We Need A Increase In The Minimum Wage Reply #48 - May 30^th, 2024 at 7:40am You cant get rich working for peanuts.
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Re: We Need A Increase In The Minimum Wage
Reply #49 - May 30^th, 2024 at 1:41pm

Frank wrote on May 29^th, 2024 at 8:25pm:

whiteknight wrote on May 29^th, 2024 at 8:16pm:

Some employers will not be happy until they get people to work for nothing. Sad

If they can get people to work for nothing - why not?

They can't, because people need money to survive. The govt. has set the minimum needed for people to survive in dignity.

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I would work for nothing...

Volunteering is for people who are financially secure.

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You are just a calculating, money-grubbing greedy mercantile bozo, all about money. Gimme, gimme, gimme.

An amazing example of conservative reverse-thinking

YOU - and Musk - are all about money for yourselves.

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Re: We Need A Increase In The Minimum Wage
Reply #50 - May 30^th, 2024 at 2:36pm

thegreatdivide wrote on May 30^th, 2024 at 1:41pm:

Frank wrote on May 29^th, 2024 at 8:25pm:

whiteknight wrote on May 29^th, 2024 at 8:16pm:

Some employers will not be happy until they get people to work for nothing. Sad

If they can get people to work for nothing - why not?

They can't, because people need money to survive. The govt. has set the minimum needed for people to survive in dignity.

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I would work for nothing...

Volunteering is for people who are financially secure.

Quote:

You are just a calculating, money-grubbing greedy mercantile bozo, all about money. Gimme, gimme, gimme.

An amazing example of conservative reverse-thinking

YOU - and Musk - are all about money for yourselves.

terrible advice

imagine you are an unemplyed person in a regional town with few skills

you can be a cry baby and sit around in self pity

or

you can borrow a broom and a bottle of "spray and wipe" and go to the main street and walk up and down sweeping the door ways of businesses and cleaning their windows as a volunteer

i can GAURANTEE you that a small business owner or many small business owners will come out and enquire what you are doing

with a beaming smile and a booming voice , you announce that you want to CONTRIBUTE

and businesses are DESPERATE for people with this right attitude

you will be on a payroll within a week

now you are off to the races

you study the business and learn

you make yourself indispensable

the owner puts you on as a manager

it is SO EASY to make cash in australia but you have to understand the principle of "give before you recieve" .

no one wants to risk taking on an employee who is not joyful and beaming

if you want to construct a narrative of scarcity and think you have to be a parasite to survive, be my guest. i gaurantee you will be living in scarcity for perpetuity

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Re: We Need A Increase In The Minimum Wage
Reply #51 - May 31^st, 2024 at 11:20am

aquascoot wrote on May 30^th, 2024 at 2:36pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 30^th, 2024 at 1:41pm:

Frank wrote on May 29^th, 2024 at 8:25pm:

whiteknight wrote on May 29^th, 2024 at 8:16pm:

Some employers will not be happy until they get people to work for nothing. Sad

If they can get people to work for nothing - why not?

They can't, because people need money to survive. The govt. has set the minimum needed for people to survive in dignity.

Quote:

I would work for nothing...

Volunteering is for people who are financially secure.

Quote:

You are just a calculating, money-grubbing greedy mercantile bozo, all about money. Gimme, gimme, gimme.

An amazing example of conservative reverse-thinking

YOU - and Musk - are all about money for yourselves.

terrible advice

imagine you are an unemplyed person in a regional town with few skills

you can be a cry baby and sit around in self pity

or

you can borrow a broom and a bottle of "spray and wipe" and go to the main street and walk up and down sweeping the door ways of businesses and cleaning their windows as a volunteer

i can GAURANTEE you that a small business owner or many small business owners will come out and enquire what you are doing

with a beaming smile and a booming voice , you announce that you want to CONTRIBUTE

and businesses are DESPERATE for people with this right attitude

you will be on a payroll within a week

now you are off to the races

you study the business and learn

you make yourself indispensable

the owner puts you on as a manager

it is SO EASY to make cash in australia but you have to understand the principle of "give before you recieve" .

no one wants to risk taking on an employee who is not joyful and beaming

if you want to construct a narrative of scarcity and think you have to be a parasite to survive, be my guest. i gaurantee you will be living in scarcity for perpetuity

Just so.

But it requires a mind and an outlook that is totally antithetical to the one that sees the world as a giant machine of continuous oppression, trickery, exploitation, attack of which one is a constant victim one way or another, protected only by a benevolent, all-knowing, all-powerful god government.

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Re: We Need A Increase In The Minimum Wage
Reply #52 - May 31^st, 2024 at 11:21am

aquascoot wrote on May 30^th, 2024 at 2:36pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 30^th, 2024 at 1:41pm:

Frank wrote on May 29^th, 2024 at 8:25pm:

whiteknight wrote on May 29^th, 2024 at 8:16pm:

Some employers will not be happy until they get people to work for nothing. Sad

If they can get people to work for nothing - why not?

They can't, because people need money to survive. The govt. has set the minimum needed for people to survive in dignity.

Quote:

I would work for nothing...

Volunteering is for people who are financially secure.

Quote:

You are just a calculating, money-grubbing greedy mercantile bozo, all about money. Gimme, gimme, gimme.

An amazing example of conservative reverse-thinking

YOU - and Musk - are all about money for yourselves.

terrible advice

imagine you are an unemplyed person in a regional town with few skills

you can be a cry baby and sit around in self pity

or

you can borrow a broom and a bottle of "spray and wipe" and go to the main street and walk up and down sweeping the door ways of businesses and cleaning their windows as a volunteer

i can GAURANTEE you that a small business owner or many small business owners will come out and enquire what you are doing

with a beaming smile and a booming voice , you announce that you want to CONTRIBUTE

and businesses are DESPERATE for people with this right attitude

you will be on a payroll within a week

now you are off to the races

you study the business and learn

you make yourself indispensable

the owner puts you on as a manager

it is SO EASY to make cash in australia but you have to understand the principle of "give before you recieve" .

no one wants to risk taking on an employee who is not joyful and beaming

if you want to construct a narrative of scarcity and think you have to be a parasite to survive, be my guest. i gaurantee you will be living in scarcity for perpetuity

Just so.

But it requires a mind and an outlook that is totally antithetical to the one that sees the world as a giant machine of continuous oppression, trickery, exploitation, attack of which one is a constant victim one way or another, protected only by a benevolent, all-knowing, all-powerful god government.

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Re: We Need A Increase In The Minimum Wage
Reply #53 - May 31^st, 2024 at 2:01pm

aquascoot wrote on May 30^th, 2024 at 2:36pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 30^th, 2024 at 1:41pm:

Frank wrote on May 29^th, 2024 at 8:25pm:

whiteknight wrote on May 29^th, 2024 at 8:16pm:

Some employers will not be happy until they get people to work for nothing. Sad

If they can get people to work for nothing - why not?

They can't, because people need money to survive. The govt. has set the minimum needed for people to survive in dignity.

Quote:

I would work for nothing...

Volunteering is for people who are financially secure.

Quote:

You are just a calculating, money-grubbing greedy mercantile bozo, all about money. Gimme, gimme, gimme.

An amazing example of conservative reverse-thinking

YOU - and Musk - are all about money for yourselves.

terrible advice

What "advice" did I give? I said people need money to survive.

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imagine you are an unemplyed person in a regional town with few skills

you can be a cry baby and sit around in self pity

or

you can borrow a broom and a bottle of "spray and wipe" and go to the main street and walk up and down sweeping the door ways of businesses and cleaning their windows as a volunteer

i can GAURANTEE you that a small business owner or many small business owners will come out and enquire what you are doing

with a beaming smile and a booming voice , you announce that you want to CONTRIBUTE

and businesses are DESPERATE for people with this right attitude

Your error; many small businesses in regional towns are closing down because would-be customers are crushed by the cost of living crisis and can't spend money.

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you will be on a payroll within a week

now you are off to the races

you study the business and learn

you make yourself indispensable

the owner puts you on as a manager

Maybe, but maybe not - as pointed out above.

Only the government can guarantee employment for everyone.

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it is SO EASY to make cash in australia but you have to understand the principle of "give before you recieve".

I see buskers and people selling 'The Big Issue" - they are brave people poorly rewarded by society.

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no one wants to risk taking on an employee who is not joyful and beaming

Exposing your error: it's not an emplyee's job to be 'joyful and beaming', nor is it everyone's nature.

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if you want to construct a narrative of scarcity and think you have to be a parasite to survive, be my guest. i gaurantee you will be living in scarcity for perpetuity

No, "scarcity" is a construct of YOUR obsolete neoclassical economics, today China is accused of "over-capacity".

I support a Job Guarantee, not the enforced "parasitism" of welfare dependency.

https://pavlina-tcherneva.net/the-case-for-a-job-guarantee/

The Case for a Job Guarantee

One of the most enduring ideas in economics is that unemployment is both unavoidable and necessary for the smooth functioning of the economy. This assumption has provided cover for the devastating social and economic costs of job insecurity. It is also false.

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Re: We Need A Increase In The Minimum Wage
Reply #54 - May 31^st, 2024 at 3:30pm

thegreatdivide wrote on May 31^st, 2024 at 2:01pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 30^th, 2024 at 2:36pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 30^th, 2024 at 1:41pm:

Frank wrote on May 29^th, 2024 at 8:25pm:

whiteknight wrote on May 29^th, 2024 at 8:16pm:

Some employers will not be happy until they get people to work for nothing. Sad