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Reply #60 - May 7^th, 2024 at 8:42pm

Bias_2012 wrote on May 6^th, 2024 at 8:19pm:

John Smith wrote on May 6^th, 2024 at 5:41pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on May 6^th, 2024 at 11:42am:

The replacement for mandatory sentences has been the introduction of negotiated soft sentences ... they don't work either

Pity is shown towards the crims, when pity is not warranted for crims
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The bit where you fall apart is on the 'crims'. They're not 'crims' until they are found guilty in a court of law. Everyone is entitled to the presumption of innocence in our system, and the day we lose that is not one you want to face. No one gets bail after being found guilty

After they're found guilty, that's right ... and they still get pitied by judges and prosecutors who then impose soft sentences, which they can do because our judicial system is the same as the British system ... MAXIMUM sentences ... what we need is the US system of MINIMUM sentences (nothing less than the officially set term for the crime they are convicted of)

We live in an imperfect world. And the US system is the worst in the developed world. The highest rates of recivism, the largest number of inmates. It's certainly doesn't make the US safer.

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Re: How can governments eliminate violent crime ?
Reply #61 - May 7^th, 2024 at 9:17pm

John Smith wrote on May 7^th, 2024 at 8:42pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on May 6^th, 2024 at 8:19pm:

John Smith wrote on May 6^th, 2024 at 5:41pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on May 6^th, 2024 at 11:42am:

The replacement for mandatory sentences has been the introduction of negotiated soft sentences ... they don't work either

Pity is shown towards the crims, when pity is not warranted for crims
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The bit where you fall apart is on the 'crims'. They're not 'crims' until they are found guilty in a court of law. Everyone is entitled to the presumption of innocence in our system, and the day we lose that is not one you want to face. No one gets bail after being found guilty

After they're found guilty, that's right ... and they still get pitied by judges and prosecutors who then impose soft sentences, which they can do because our judicial system is the same as the British system ... MAXIMUM sentences ... what we need is the US system of MINIMUM sentences (nothing less than the officially set term for the crime they are convicted of)

We live in an imperfect world. And the US system is the worst in the developed world. The highest rates of recivism, the largest number of inmates. It's certainly doesn't make the US safer.

Their Minimum sentence system is better than our Maximum sentence system

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Reply #62 - May 7^th, 2024 at 10:02pm

WELL I NEVER!! Gotta wharte girl speak for them, too! Didn't put this one in 'Lawfare' ... different area.

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/first-nations-women-at-forefront-of-tal...

Well - of course they at the forefront - they are primarily the victims - getting at the truth telling here - be careful... something real might leak out and spoil the paradigm/narrative/propaganda/war talk..... that truth might permeate other 'talks' going on ...

Now then - where's the coverage of men and their views at the forefront here?

Grasshoppers - I feel you are not yet ready for that ... full truth is a heavy burden....

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Reply #64 - May 7^th, 2024 at 10:05pm

John Smith wrote on May 7^th, 2024 at 8:42pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on May 6^th, 2024 at 8:19pm:

John Smith wrote on May 6^th, 2024 at 5:41pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on May 6^th, 2024 at 11:42am:

The replacement for mandatory sentences has been the introduction of negotiated soft sentences ... they don't work either

Pity is shown towards the crims, when pity is not warranted for crims
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The bit where you fall apart is on the 'crims'. They're not 'crims' until they are found guilty in a court of law. Everyone is entitled to the presumption of innocence in our system, and the day we lose that is not one you want to face. No one gets bail after being found guilty

After they're found guilty, that's right ... and they still get pitied by judges and prosecutors who then impose soft sentences, which they can do because our judicial system is the same as the British system ... MAXIMUM sentences ... what we need is the US system of MINIMUM sentences (nothing less than the officially set term for the crime they are convicted of)

We live in an imperfect world. And the US system is the worst in the developed world. The highest rates of recivism, the largest number of inmates. It's certainly doesn't make the US safer.

That is what I heard too.
What a terrible waste. What a terrible failure.
Wha an enormous expense in all ways for no benefit

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Reply #65 - May 8^th, 2024 at 12:35am

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/teens-sentenced-over-knife-attack-at-uo...

Some hints here about a number of issues current and rising... not least of which is young female violence - still in its infancy(sic) but clearly this kind of thing gives an indication of the future.

These things need to be addressed NOW on the kind of holistic basis I put forward..... first stop is an open and full discussion including all stakeholders for a change - and to break down the wall - I suggest a man be the first head of it - to show that this is not about a war on men, but about real crime. Not only that, but a man appointed might have the balls(sic) to actually call some spades spades....

(that'll be the day, on pretty much all of those fronts - and you ask why men are increasingly alienated, commitmentophobic and so forth... and why, when 'social scientists' are tailor-designing every way to include, for instance, women in the armed forces - meaning all the best paid and safest jobs - young men enlisting to be mere cannon fodder and then held back are not joining) .....

Wake Up Australia!! Just give all this crap a burial at sea and get back to reality.

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Reply #66 - May 8^th, 2024 at 2:08am

Look how the media hoodwinks us into believing these two crims got a hefty 63 years in prison

They got 42 years, one 26yrs non parole, the other 16yrs non parole, 18 years short of the 63

These guys are the worst of the worst, it should have been the full 63 years for those reprobates

"Childcare predators handed 63-year sentence for 'disturbing' abuse"

https://www.9news.com.au/national/childcare-predators-court-men-jailed-abuse/d31...

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Reply #67 - May 8^th, 2024 at 6:47am

Bias_2012 wrote on May 8^th, 2024 at 2:08am:

Look how the media hoodwinks us into believing these two crims got a hefty 63 years in prison

They got 42 years, one 26yrs non parole, the other 16yrs non parole, 18 years short of the 63

These guys are the worst of the worst, it should have been the full 63 years for those reprobates

"Childcare predators handed 63-year sentence for 'disturbing' abuse"

https://www.9news.com.au/national/childcare-predators-court-men-jailed-abuse/d31...

Life without the possibility for preying on the innocent in their charge. Where do these kinds come from - but all are equal, no?

Bobby - you're on ....

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Re: How can governments eliminate violent crime ?
Reply #68 - May 8^th, 2024 at 7:22am

Bias_2012 wrote on May 7^th, 2024 at 9:17pm:

John Smith wrote on May 7^th, 2024 at 8:42pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on May 6^th, 2024 at 8:19pm:

John Smith wrote on May 6^th, 2024 at 5:41pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on May 6^th, 2024 at 11:42am:

The replacement for mandatory sentences has been the introduction of negotiated soft sentences ... they don't work either

Pity is shown towards the crims, when pity is not warranted for crims
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The bit where you fall apart is on the 'crims'. They're not 'crims' until they are found guilty in a court of law. Everyone is entitled to the presumption of innocence in our system, and the day we lose that is not one you want to face. No one gets bail after being found guilty

After they're found guilty, that's right ... and they still get pitied by judges and prosecutors who then impose soft sentences, which they can do because our judicial system is the same as the British system ... MAXIMUM sentences ... what we need is the US system of MINIMUM sentences (nothing less than the officially set term for the crime they are convicted of)

We live in an imperfect world. And the US system is the worst in the developed world. The highest rates of recivism, the largest number of inmates. It's certainly doesn't make the US safer.

Their Minimum sentence system is better than our Maximum sentence system

Only in your opinion

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I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Re: How can governments eliminate violent crime ?
Reply #70 - May 8^th, 2024 at 7:34am

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 7^th, 2024 at 10:05pm:

That is what I heard too.
What a terrible waste. What a terrible failure.
Wha an enormous expense in all ways for no benefit

If you go to the opposite end of the 'spectrum, look at Norway. With 58 people in jail per 100000 population compared to the USA with 531 per 100 000 population . Norway treats their prisoners humanely, many even get to go to work during the day, and they have one of the lowest rates of recidivism in the world, at 18% after two years or 25% after 5 years. Compare that to the USA which has a 43% recidivism after the first twelve months, and 82% recidivism within a ten year period.

In most cases, Norways prisoners actually get rehabilitated, not just punished.

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Re: How can governments eliminate violent crime ?
Reply #71 - May 8^th, 2024 at 7:35am

Bias_2012 wrote on May 8^th, 2024 at 2:08am:

Look how the media hoodwinks us into believing these two crims got a hefty 63 years in prison

They got 42 years, one 26yrs non parole, the other 16yrs non parole, 18 years short of the 63

These guys are the worst of the worst, it should have been the full 63 years for those reprobates

"Childcare predators handed 63-year sentence for 'disturbing' abuse"

https://www.9news.com.au/national/childcare-predators-court-men-jailed-abuse/d31...

You don't understand what you are reading do you?

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Re: How can governments eliminate violent crime ?
Reply #72 - May 8^th, 2024 at 7:39am

Amazes me that some here will still preach, demand and actively pursue the Bruce Final Solution of finding people to be 'crims' on the flimsiest 'evidence', and then they do a complete back-flip with double roll-over and self-undertake by saying - "be careful about calling people crims and locking them away forever".

The same dorks would have Bruce behind bars on the say-so of an allegedly drunken woman days/weeks/years after the 'event' and only when pressed to explain her own presence at that time and place.

How now the rules of law, my fine-feathered fiends? How about the requirement for real and hard and corroborated evidence?

Any takers? Gotta have a safe working environment for serial offenders ....

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Nash: "I've gotten used to ignoring them and I think, as a result, they've kind of given up on me. I think that's what it's like with all our dreams and our nightmares, Martin, we've got to keep feeding them for them to stay alive."

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Re: How can governments eliminate violent crime ?
Reply #73 - May 8^th, 2024 at 7:41am

John Smith wrote on May 8^th, 2024 at 7:35am:

Bias_2012 wrote on May 8^th, 2024 at 2:08am:

Look how the media hoodwinks us into believing these two crims got a hefty 63 years in prison

They got 42 years, one 26yrs non parole, the other 16yrs non parole, 18 years short of the 63

These guys are the worst of the worst, it should have been the full 63 years for those reprobates

"Childcare predators handed 63-year sentence for 'disturbing' abuse"

https://www.9news.com.au/national/childcare-predators-court-men-jailed-abuse/d31...

You don't understand what you are reading do you?

He doesn't understand how sentencing works, or is really bad at maths.

Maybe both? Undecided

Now I admit, Channel 9 "News" is a truly awful organisation but they haven't done anything wrong in that article.

They clearly state: "... have been handed a combined 63-year sentence for their crimes."

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Reply #74 - May 8^th, 2024 at 7:53am

"... have been handed a combined 63-year sentence for their crimes.""

"There have not been no 63 year sentences!"

"Ah, Monsieur Les Balles-Petits - I have a question for you - and then you are coming with me. I see your double negative! We take our grammar very seriously in the MediaKommandatur! So - which is it? DID they receive 63 years combined EACH - or not? You see - you must perfectly align your subject with your outcome... actions with consequences ... if you say they received a combined 63 year sentence - you are saying they both got 63 years in total..... so now you are saying that 63 years was not in total for each, but merely the top figure for one ... or is it a combined figure for both?"

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