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Re: How can governments eliminate violent crime ?
Reply #45 - May 6^th, 2024 at 12:10pm

Bias_2012 wrote on May 6^th, 2024 at 11:42am:

John Smith wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 10:39pm:

Daves2017 wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 5:50pm:

Completely review the judicial system and those employed within it.

Set minimum sentence I.e First offence = 3 years jail non parole.
2nd = six, 3rd = life.

It will stop very quickly.

Crap. Mandatory sentencing has never worked.

None so stupid as those that keep doing the same thing over and over, no matter how many times it fails

The replacement for mandatory sentences has been negotiated soft sentences ... they don't work either

Pity is shown towards the crims, when pity is not warranted for crims

Innoculating society against criminals and then quarantining them away from the mainstream until their minds are right - try some men psychologists and social workers etc so they don't OFTEN fall in love with the vilest low-life and help them out - a good stint on the outback chain gang cutting the grass on the sides of the highways never hurt nobody...

Remember Clyde Barrow (Boney and Clod?) - he cut off a toe with an axe to get out of working on 'the farm' - then was released in a few days anyway.... buggar ....

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... sits back dreaming of building Gondwanamo Bay.... all the gangs out daily clearing the mangrove swamps to build roads and such... bit like the US Marines at the 'rest camp' on Pavuvu in WW II - huge stinking land crabs and falling coconuts and branches day and night when they'd rather be in Melbadishu ...the natives from Gazarassic Park gathered at the fence in their loin cloths while waiting for the cargo cult/Big Macca's Drop to watch the stupid non-Abestinian person working in the hot sun... only mad dogs and non-dark men go out in the mid-day sun.....

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Re: How can governments eliminate violent crime ?
Reply #46 - May 6^th, 2024 at 12:29pm

Bias_2012 wrote on May 6^th, 2024 at 12:07pm:

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on May 6^th, 2024 at 11:42am:

the current approach was fatally flawed and would - and was - resulting in more and more casualties on all sides

Yes, I remember the muslim father near Wollongong who willfully stabbed his daughters non-believing boyfriend to death.

The father got only three years in jail

In his summing up, the judge said: "The public won't understand this sentence"

It was obvious the judge took into consideration the Islamic culture of honour killing, and took pity on him

So there is one flaw that needs eliminating, the flaw of insulting the rule of Australian law ... it should never be "Islamic" law

Well - when you have 'governments' here absolutely dead determined to install at least two 'laws' (three actually - one for the master and one for the knave and one for the black boy who lives just to rave) why should not EVERYONE or at least every single social group - get their own?

Common Law is not a definition of some social status - it means simply that the same laws apply to everyone equally.

I, for one, clearly do not understand that sentence or that 'judge' - but then - I've been calling for a royal commission into the judiciary and into jurisprudence for years now... both from the POV of leniency for true arseholes and absolutely vicious abuse of privilege to 'put the ordinary bloke/get the new bloke in town (don't laugh) in his place' like some ancient tyrant would... not to mention the often vile corruption of many police.... still being phased out with better selection, training, and oversight and even standards required by the superiors... all again things I've posted here and elsewhere for years now....

It's simply so hard to move the masses of dead wood faster than at glacial pace - which leads to frustration with the 'democratic' process, anger and insurrection in many forms.... as cited to you all before .. and then there is the Resistance by governments themselves intent on exploiting every loop-hole and by-way and rear passage to gain Uberkontrol over the populace....

"I run this country!" - said the PM .... another Petty Backyard Marrickville Fascist Revolutionary Communist Socialist steeped in 'Modern Education' with all it's loose ends as the New Reality ...

Well - actually you don't, Tone - who do you think you are kidding, Mr Albo? - you are but one steward for this nation and its people.... get used to it .. even the Stewart Kings were derived from a family of Stewards on estates..... in the UK any man can start as a steward and end up the emperor. .... same as China..... most other places... would YOU buy a used car from any of those men and women??

Now then - about that deportation scandal - WE will decide who doesn't get deported here!

Jesus - straight out of the Goering playbook - when asked why his butler was Jewish, Goering replied testily - "I will decide who is Jewish and who is not here!"

Add to that list on how to slow down violent crime - get rid of those proven to be unwholesome to the Austraeli Way Of Life.... ALL OF THEM! Either Reverse Boat People Policy packed to the gills....Gondwanamo Bay ... Gazarassic/Aborassic Park(s) ... or The New Devils Island..

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Re: How can governments eliminate violent crime ?
Reply #47 - May 6^th, 2024 at 4:40pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 6^th, 2024 at 6:48am:

The lower socio-economic section of our society are more likely to commit violent crimes.

Due to bad peer pressures, financial pressures, lack of life opportunities, lack of a possible viable future life, lack of housing, lack of emotional intelligence, lack of education, lack of good male role figures, excess alcohol or drug taking, that area being targeted more than a higher socio economic area by police.

Once in court, poor people cannot afford good lawyers or present themselves well. So they get a heavier sentence.
Rich people hire the good lawyers, have been to nice schools, present themselves well and get a lighter punishment.

Being poor is really bad.

I've been poor and have known poor people.

It's a total life hardship with no parole.

It never releases it's grip.

Thanks sprint......

sprint,

Life is hard.

And yet, i do not believe, that being poor,
is a valid excuse to steal.......from anyone.
......even to steal, from those have more than we do.

[and i'm not 'clean', i have stolen stuff too......and i have presented my own wrongdoings to God,
and asked for his forgiveness......and i find i still have to do this.]

Matthew 19:17
[Jesus said].....if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which?
Jesus said,
Thou shalt do no murder,
Thou shalt not commit adultery,
Thou shalt not steal, [UNLESS YOU ARE POOR......THEN IT IS OK]
Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and,
Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

That is NOT what God, or Jesus said.

p.s.
I have been poor too.

While i was doing my apprenticeship in Adelaide,
i had to leave my 'lodgings' [i was a lodger], because my landlady's son was coming home from travelling o/s.
And she needed my bedroom, for her son.....that is what i was told anyway.

I was homeless. ....i had a vehicle.

For around 10 days, every night i parked in a discreet spot in the Adelaide hills,
sleeping under a sheet of canvass.
......then driving to work each morning.
......until i could arrange another lodging placement.

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Re: How can governments eliminate violent crime ?
Reply #48 - May 6^th, 2024 at 5:38pm

Bias_2012 wrote on May 6^th, 2024 at 11:15am:

John Smith wrote on May 6^th, 2024 at 6:39am:

Bail isn't by any means a perfect system

You're not wrong about that, but it's all got out of hand

These days, a crim on bail can result in a murder occurring ... and not just one crim, but dozens committing serious crimes, dozens more crimes than need to happen

We'll see what the State Govts come up with to improve the bail system, they're working on it now

Same with early release (parole) from jail. Early release often means not enough time in isolation for crims to learn their lesson. Completely learning their lesson is what it should be all about. If there is even the slightest doubt about not learning their lesson, then they need to stay in jail

No problem from me on improving the current system, my problem is with mandatory sentencing. It's failed in every instance it was tried. I'd rather try something that might succeed

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I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Re: How can governments eliminate violent crime ?
Reply #49 - May 6^th, 2024 at 5:41pm

Bias_2012 wrote on May 6^th, 2024 at 11:42am:

The replacement for mandatory sentences has been the introduction of negotiated soft sentences ... they don't work either

Pity is shown towards the crims, when pity is not warranted for crims
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The bit where you fall apart is on the 'crims'. They're not 'crims' until they are found guilty in a court of law. Everyone is entitled to the presumption of innocence in our system, and the day we lose that is not one you want to face. No one gets bail after being found guilty

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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Re: How can governments eliminate violent crime ?
Reply #50 - May 6^th, 2024 at 5:43pm

Yadda wrote on May 6^th, 2024 at 4:40pm:

[and i'm not 'clean', i have stolen stuff too......and i have presented my own wrongdoings to God,
and asked for his forgiveness......and i find i still have to do this.]

Why didn't you presented your wrongdoing to someone with mandatory sentencing? Worried you might become a victim of the system you cheer for?

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Re: How can governments eliminate violent crime ?
Reply #51 - May 6^th, 2024 at 6:02pm

John Smith wrote on May 6^th, 2024 at 5:43pm:

Yadda wrote on May 6^th, 2024 at 4:40pm:

[and i'm not 'clean', i have stolen stuff too......and i have presented my own wrongdoings to God,
and asked for his forgiveness......and i find i still have to do this.]

Why didn't you presented your wrongdoing to someone with mandatory sentencing?

Worried you might become a victim of the system you cheer for?

You are correct.....

Of course. .......i do not want to be, ......condemned.

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KJV
Psalms 119:1
Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD.

John Smith,

According to God's moral law, i know what is good, and a know what is evil.

And i know that i'm not, undefiled.

And my belief is that my creator will be my judge, for what i have done.

John Smith,

I would counsel you, to find rest for your soul, ...speak to, pray to God.

If you do, he will speak to you, ....to your heart.

Psalms 25:8
Good and upright is the LORD: therefore will he teach sinners in the way.
9 The meek will he guide in judgment: and the meek will he teach his way.
10 All the paths of the LORD are mercy and truth unto such as keep his covenant and his testimonies.
11 For thy name's sake, O LORD, pardon mine iniquity; for it is great.
12 What man is he that feareth the LORD? him shall he teach in the way that he shall choose.
13 His soul shall dwell at ease; and his seed shall inherit the earth.
14 The secret of the LORD is with them that fear him; and he will shew them his covenant.

Psalms 23:1
The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want.
2 He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.
3 He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.
4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.
5 Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.
6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.

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Re: How can governments eliminate violent crime ?
Reply #52 - May 6^th, 2024 at 6:48pm

Yadda wrote on May 6^th, 2024 at 6:02pm:

John Smith wrote on May 6^th, 2024 at 5:43pm:

Yadda wrote on May 6^th, 2024 at 4:40pm:

[and i'm not 'clean', i have stolen stuff too......and i have presented my own wrongdoings to God,
and asked for his forgiveness......and i find i still have to do this.]

Why didn't you presented your wrongdoing to someone with mandatory sentencing?

Worried you might become a victim of the system you cheer for?

You are correct.....

Of course. .......i do not want to be, ......condemned.

.

KJV
Psalms 119:1
Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD.

John Smith,

According to God's moral law, i know what is good, and a know what is evil.

And i know that i'm not, undefiled.

And my belief is that my creator will be my judge, for what i have done.

John Smith,

I would counsel you, to find rest for your soul, ...speak to, pray to God.

If you do, he will speak to you, ....to your heart.

Psalms 25:8
Good and upright is the LORD: therefore will he teach sinners in the way.
9 The meek will he guide in judgment: and the meek will he teach his way.
10 All the paths of the LORD are mercy and truth unto such as keep his covenant and his testimonies.
11 For thy name's sake, O LORD, pardon mine iniquity; for it is great.
12 What man is he that feareth the LORD? him shall he teach in the way that he shall choose.
13 His soul shall dwell at ease; and his seed shall inherit the earth.
14 The secret of the LORD is with them that fear him; and he will shew them his covenant.

Psalms 23:1
The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want.
2 He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.
3 He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.
4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.
5 Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.
6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.

Dear Yadda,
The Trappists and Carthusians are recruiting. Go for a taster. It would be a real spiritual test for you... Tongue

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Re: How can governments eliminate violent crime ?
Reply #53 - May 6^th, 2024 at 7:33pm

John Smith wrote on May 6^th, 2024 at 5:43pm:

Yadda wrote on May 6^th, 2024 at 4:40pm:

[and i'm not 'clean', i have stolen stuff too......and i have presented my own wrongdoings to God,
and asked for his forgiveness......and i find i still have to do this.]

Why didn't you presented your wrongdoing to someone with mandatory sentencing? Worried you might become a victim of the system you cheer for?

Now THAT, Poppets - IS PRECISELY WHY WE MUST NEVER ALLOW GUILT BY ACCUSATION TO BECOME THE STANDARD. If that ever becomes the standard - the Bruce Final Solution - everyone will be guilty at some time.

Kill the pig - drink his blood..... make his piggy eyes to flood... .... you know - many of you are infantile in your reasoning.

Three major strikes and you're in - mandatory but not without a chance to correct self.... it's about ACTUAL VIOLENCE- you know - not just - "oh he refused to take me into town for a drink!" - or "he told me to STFU when I was mildly drunk and slagging off the elderly neighbour!".

You know how these empty-headed statements catch on - I said to the Eld Gel t'other day that if she went into a nursing home, she wouldn't be able to go to town or the club any time like she gets with me - out she came - predictably (I should know better)... "Coercive Control!". WTF would she imagine a weekly trip on the bus into town, club for an hour, would be like then? Coercive control by the facility?

Maidezmoi Bibliophilia - the addiction to self-help books...

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Re: How can governments eliminate violent crime ?
Reply #54 - May 6^th, 2024 at 8:01pm

Yadda wrote on May 6^th, 2024 at 6:02pm:

John Smith wrote on May 6^th, 2024 at 5:43pm:

Yadda wrote on May 6^th, 2024 at 4:40pm:

[and i'm not 'clean', i have stolen stuff too......and i have presented my own wrongdoings to God,
and asked for his forgiveness......and i find i still have to do this.]

Why didn't you presented your wrongdoing to someone with mandatory sentencing?

Worried you might become a victim of the system you cheer for?

You are correct.....

Of course. .......i do not want to be, ......condemned.

Besides which, Yadda is always kept too busy - mopping up the slime left behind by her
excessive - and incorrect - punctuation

.

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Re: How can governments eliminate violent crime ?
Reply #55 - May 6^th, 2024 at 8:19pm

John Smith wrote on May 6^th, 2024 at 5:41pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on May 6^th, 2024 at 11:42am:

The replacement for mandatory sentences has been the introduction of negotiated soft sentences ... they don't work either

Pity is shown towards the crims, when pity is not warranted for crims
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The bit where you fall apart is on the 'crims'. They're not 'crims' until they are found guilty in a court of law. Everyone is entitled to the presumption of innocence in our system, and the day we lose that is not one you want to face. No one gets bail after being found guilty

After they're found guilty, that's right ... and they still get pitied by judges and prosecutors who then impose soft sentences, which they can do because our judicial system is the same as the British system ... MAXIMUM sentences ... what we need is the US system of MINIMUM sentences (nothing less than the officially set term for the crime they are convicted of)

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Reply #57 - May 6^th, 2024 at 9:37pm

Frank wrote on May 6^th, 2024 at 6:48pm:

Dear Yadda,
The Trappists and Carthusians are recruiting. Go for a taster. It would be a real spiritual test for you... Tongue

frank,

Just like bobby........
you'd like me to be able to convey my argument in just one, or perhaps two lines,
in a post, on this forum.

frank,

Brother, you need to reflect........

Q.
Have you got a physical bible in your home ?

If yes, go and grab hold of it, and then open it up, anywhere,
and begin reading,
........and you and bobby think that i'm verbose, in my communications on this forum !

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Re: How can governments eliminate violent crime ?
Reply #58 - May 7^th, 2024 at 7:12pm

If you remove people from society who commit violent crime.

They can no longer commit violence.

They are incarcerated.

Given two chances and nine years of jail they still commit violent crimes.

They are removed from society for life.

Once incarcerated they cannot hurt society.

I don’t understand the argument that directly putting laws into place that forces the judges to incarcerate offenders doesn’t work?

Please explain how convicted violent offenders being removed from society is a failure?

How can they commit more crimes if they are in jail for life?

Are you suggesting from behind Bars they can still harm the community?

Idiots!

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