John Smith wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 10:39pm:


Correct.

In many cases it's counter productive.

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on May 5^th, 2024 at 3:19pm:


I don't have a quick fix solution.  I wish I did.

I just know for a fact that mandatory sentencing and capital/corporate punishment doesn't work.

John Smith, you are engaging in a whole lot more......B.S. talking, imo.


John Smith wrote on May 5^th, 2024 at 2:27pm:


Sorry.

I reject your asinine assertion and demand.

You will have to convince me [of my own idiocy] with a lot more.....than simply your masterly skill, of personal persuasion.    


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John Smith wrote on May 5^th, 2024 at 2:27pm:


That argument [without any supporting substantive evidence] is pure B.S. talking.

What you are claiming,   ....is an offense against logical thinking and open reasoning.

You claim that.....  'data shows'   that if you accomplish 1/, then 2/ will occur........

1/ Removing criminals from a society [by imprisonment],
2/ will   NOT    result in a reduction in the crime rates, in that society.



And please, don't present me with a link to a 57 page LEFTIST academic 'study'....'proving' that the removal of criminals from a society, is the cause of more crime, in a society.


Dear John Smith.....

This is a debating forum.......if you wish to convince me,
then please present your own LOGICAL argument,
as to why YOU BELIEVE, that removing criminals from a society, WILL NOT 'ever reduce crime'.


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John Smith wrote on May 5^th, 2024 at 2:27pm:


Present me with an LOGICAL argument [not a 'study'] to support that particular assertion.

Yadda wrote on May 5^th, 2024 at 11:36pm:


You can reject whatever you like, you're still an idiot. Only an idiot would call for mandatory detention despite all previous attempts showing it didn't work.

Yadda wrote on May 5^th, 2024 at 11:36pm:


The lower socio-economic section of our society are more likely to commit violent crimes.
Due to bad peer pressures, financial pressures, lack of life opportunities, lack of a possible viable future life, lack of housing, lack of emotional intelligence, lack of education, lack of good male role figures, excess alcohol or drug taking, that area being targeted more than a higher socio economic area by police.

Once in court, poor people cannot afford good lawyers or present themselves well. So they get a heavier sentence.
Rich people hire the good lawyers, have been to nice schools, present themselves well and get a lighter punishment.

Being poor is really bad.  I've been poor and have known poor people. 
It's a total life hardship with no parole.  It never releases it's grip.

Set up a standing commission.

Make a statement by putting a man at the helm for a change to show that there is indeed no 'war on men' but is instead trust in most men and the desire to pursue criminals and not all others with a seine net and shotgun.

Look at the demographics over-represented in violence etc and start working out why - and it ain't simple 'disadvantage' - NOBODY comes from a less advantaged background than me - and yet here I am - a gentle man and top gun at everything I've ever done.

Start looking AGAIN at the NEED to remove vulnerable children at risk from bad and violent 'family' situations.... and stop being blackmailed by 'activists' throwing BS around and telling lies.  Nobody has yet told me WHY so many Abestinian babies are removed at birth from their 'mothers' in SA- as in WTF?  You seriously going to tell me that the reasons are not loud and clear?  I have a perpetual drug addict niece who's had seven kids - all removed from her.... (note my kids are cousins to Chris Nolan and both have majestic careers - as does the sister of that niece who went to live with her father's sister at a young age and is now a lawyer - it sure ain't my line!).

Consider a Two State Solution as demanded by these same Abestinians - they say they want it - but they don't want it separated from Macca's etc ... they want it to be a parallel universe within Australian culture and society, fully supported by that with massive handouts and gifting of hoards of money annually for doing nothing.  I say give 'em their separate state - fully separate - and let them make of it what they can in their sacred old ways.  Offer them the option of assimilating into Austrael or going to Abestine to live 'their way - but there are no half-way points and no special treatments - they MIGHT be given a plot of land to build on and call their own - that's better than anyone else gets - but they do NOT own the land entire.  Feeding them this BS about sovereignty and ownership ramps up the fires of violence and anger inside their communities and hence with everyone else.

Lessee - funny how when discussing violence and woman killing and man killing and such - certain 'groups' predominate.... take over the discussion everywhere but in these majestic ivory towers where they sit down at huge pay to 'discuss' these things ... so let's look at the real figures of who is killing who... and that includes women killing men 40:60 and women killing women at some undefined rate and women killing kids at a higher rate.

Anyway - no final solution will ever be found to violence until such time as the full gamut of issues is addressed fully and openly and without using the blood-spattered echo chamber over and over again.

I told you all years ago that the current approach was fatally flawed and would - and was - resulting in more and more casualties on all sides.... I can lead a donkey to water... I can lead a uni graduate to fact ..... can't make 'em drink it against the madness of The Madness - though one day they'll eat it alongside all those they've let down by not finding solutions.

Now then - who wants to co-author with me

The War On Woke - A testament of truth..

.???  I'm struggling to find the energy and focus at the moment...

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on May 6^th, 2024 at 11:42am: