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Re: How can governments eliminate violent crime ?
Reply #15 - May 4^th, 2024 at 4:31pm

Governments can not eliminate violent crime. That would need the elimination of violent criminals. Governments can insist on the laws that are currently enacted are acted upon and to the maximum extent. No more "I came from a broken home" as exculpation. Many of us came from broken homes, and it never resulted in us in turning violent. Roll Eyes

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Reply #17 - May 4^th, 2024 at 8:56pm

Three Strikes of violent crime and you're IN!!

Now - what creates 'violent criminals'?

Mental illness
Environment
Disadvantage
Parenting and Learned Behaviour
Ghettoes/Houso
Being brutalised
Interventions by the state(s) and policies that create anger
Injustice - real or perceived
Lack of (gasps) re-education facilities

Add as we go, fellas - don't let me do all the work - all these are complex issues and are merely headlines under which discussion can take place......

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Look at this one ... they should enjoy this as they're being frog-marched off campus by cops....

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Re: How can governments eliminate violent crime ?
Reply #18 - May 4^th, 2024 at 9:26pm

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 8:56pm:

Three Strikes of violent crime and you're IN!!

Now - what creates 'violent criminals'?

Mental illness
Environment
Disadvantage
Parenting and Learned Behaviour
Ghettoes/Houso
Being brutalised
Interventions by the state(s) and policies that create anger
Injustice - real or perceived
Lack of (gasps) re-education facilities

Add as we go, fellas - don't let me do all the work - all these are complex issues and are merely headlines under which discussion can take place......

There is no excuse.

If you kill someone intentionally [or, during the commission of a crime]
YOU are responsible for the death of another person.

If you steal something, simply because you do not have something [and because you 'want it'],
that is not a valid excuse......you are a thief, and a criminal.

THINK ABOUT IT......

Anyone, can use any excuse to justify murder, or killing, or robbery/thievery.

But i can't think of a valid excuse, for any of those crimes.

Think again !

You do not need to do, any of those crimes.

Criminal behaviour, is 99% self indulgence.

self-indulgent = = indulging or tending to indulge one’s desires.

Being angry, does not justify killing another person.

Self defence i would say yes, .....but i would have to demonstrate [afterwards] that i was defending my life.

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Reply #19 - May 4^th, 2024 at 9:44pm

I'm looking at possible preventions .... long term strategies to try to bring this into some decent perspective.

It isn't possible to eliminate all violent crime, but it is possible to mitigate it if we can work out how to approach this from the roots up .... clearly if punishment worked it would have done so millennia ago... so what are the ways to address this?

Politicians and interest groups just keep throwing it upstairs or around in circles built of platititudes..... more this, more that - all as band-aids after the event..... never a solution.

Maybe there isn't one so a stint in Gondwanamo Bay (Re-education Facility) is the only answer.....

Like all societies - as I've already said - removing the 'undesirables' and insulating the general community from them is the idea most used.... the trouble is - and always will be - that in the wrong hands the 'definition' of 'undesirable' becomes very fluid and flexible... and the reasons for 're-educating' ever more thin..... until anyone denounced or of the 'wrong' group is subject to Night and Fog.... the 3 am knock on the door because your neighbour had your dog pee on his lawn.... or you are a beach ball bloke with a functioning penis and piggy eyes......

You KNOW what can happen .... so .... what are YOUR solutions?

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Reply #20 - May 4^th, 2024 at 10:12pm

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 9:44pm:

I'm looking at possible preventions .... long term strategies to try to bring this into some decent perspective.

It isn't possible to eliminate all violent crime, but it is possible to mitigate it if we can work out how to approach this from the roots up .... clearly if punishment worked it would have done so millennia ago... so what are the ways to address this?

Politicians and interest groups just keep throwing it upstairs or around in circles built of platititudes..... more this, more that - all as band-aids after the event..... never a solution.

Maybe there isn't one so a stint in Gondwanamo Bay (Re-education Facility) is the only answer.....

Like all societies - as I've already said - removing the 'undesirables' and insulating the general community from them is the idea most used.... the trouble is - and always will be - that in the wrong hands the 'definition' of 'undesirable' becomes very fluid and flexible... and the reasons for 're-educating' ever more thin..... until anyone denounced or of the 'wrong' group is subject to Night and Fog.... the 3 am knock on the door because your neighbour had your dog pee on his lawn.... or you are a beach ball bloke with a functioning penis and piggy eyes......

You KNOW what can happen .... so .... what are YOUR solutions?

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.....the trouble is - and always will be - that in the wrong hands the 'definition' of 'undesirable' becomes very fluid and flexible

Yes, if our society becomes a totalitarian state, then we would all be in trouble.

We need clear and equal justice. ......we need a functioning, and honest, Justice System.
[.....NOT the 'shambles' of a system of justice, we all suffer under today, in 2024]

We need one law, to apply, for all Australians.

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I would tend to favour Daves2017's solution.....

Which is ......separation, of the 'wolves' from the 'sheep'.
[....meaning 'separate enclosures' for each]

Under that system......
I would modify slightly, the criteria for imprisonment, on conviction.....

....If you have had a 'clean slate' for more than 10 years,
your 'next' conviction, would count again, as your 1st conviction.

Daves2017 wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 5:50pm:

Completely review the judicial system and those employed within it.

Set minimum sentence I.e
First offence = 3 years jail non parole.
2nd = six,
3rd = life.

It will stop very quickly.

It would stop 'widespread' crime quickly, imo.

Because a majority of 'career criminals' would find themselves, permanently in prison.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: How can governments eliminate violent crime ?
Reply #21 - May 4^th, 2024 at 10:39pm

Daves2017 wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 5:50pm:

Completely review the judicial system and those employed within it.

Set minimum sentence I.e First offence = 3 years jail non parole.
2nd = six, 3rd = life.

It will stop very quickly.

Crap. Mandatory sentencing has never worked.

None so stupid as those that keep doing the same thing over and over, no matter how many times it fails

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Reply #22 - May 4^th, 2024 at 10:59pm

John Smith wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 10:39pm:

Daves2017 wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 5:50pm:

Completely review the judicial system and those employed within it.

Set minimum sentence I.e First offence = 3 years jail non parole.
2nd = six, 3rd = life.

It will stop very quickly.

Crap. Mandatory sentencing has never worked.

None so stupid as those that keep doing the same thing over and over, no matter how many times it fails

Can you think of a solution?

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Reply #23 - May 4^th, 2024 at 11:10pm

Bias_2012 wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 10:59pm:

John Smith wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 10:39pm:

Daves2017 wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 5:50pm:

Completely review the judicial system and those employed within it.

Set minimum sentence I.e First offence = 3 years jail non parole.
2nd = six, 3rd = life.

It will stop very quickly.

Crap. Mandatory sentencing has never worked.

None so stupid as those that keep doing the same thing over and over, no matter how many times it fails

Can you think of a solution?

Easy - quick one hour trials - and the gallows waiting outside the courthouse -
hang them by the 100s and then the 1000s
and there won't be any left to commit violent crimes.

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Re: How can governments eliminate violent crime ?
Reply #24 - May 5^th, 2024 at 2:49am

Daves2017 wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 5:50pm:

Completely review the judicial system and those employed within it.

Set minimum sentence I.e
First offence = 3 years jail non parole.
2nd = six,
3rd = life.

It will stop very quickly.

John Smith wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 10:39pm:

Crap.

Mandatory sentencing has never worked.

None so stupid as those that keep doing the same thing over and over, no matter how many times it fails

John Smith, you are ....B.S. talking.

Of course >> Mandatory sentencing << must work......
....IF, OR WHEREVER, IT IS IMPLEMENTED.

How so ?

LOGICALLY......

Because if you have a meadow with sheep in that meadow.....
......and if you HAVE REMOVED all of the wolves from that meadow,
then there will be, NO WOLVES, to predate upon the sheep.

The only way that ....'Mandatory sentencing can never work'....
......is where the WOLVES continue to share the meadow with the sheep.

Then, of course, we will discover mauled and dead sheep.

Simples.

MANDATORY SENTENCING......

Do it.....no WOLVES....in the meadow.

Do NOT do it......then those WOLVES living in the meadow WILL MULTIPLY,
and will predate upon, and kill, lots of sheep.

It isn't rocket science ......John Smith.

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Reply #25 - May 5^th, 2024 at 1:22pm

It's not as if they're getting life for their first ultra-violent offence - they would be getting life for repeat offences of the same ultra-violent kind.... intractables.... and at least they're not getting the needle..... or the chair .... or the rope .... they are being given a chance to self-rehabilitate - and plenty of time to consider their problems ...

Where would you prefer they be locked up john-boy? Gondwanamo Bay inside the perimeters of Gazarassic Park where the natives and crocs and snakes and sharks roam free to catch any on the run? That'd keep 'em quiet .... no women and kids to beat there, sonny-boy ....

Maybe offer the natives a bounty .....

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Reply #26 - May 5^th, 2024 at 2:21pm

Bias_2012 wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 10:59pm:

John Smith wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 10:39pm:

Daves2017 wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 5:50pm:

Completely review the judicial system and those employed within it.

Set minimum sentence I.e First offence = 3 years jail non parole.
2nd = six, 3rd = life.

It will stop very quickly.

Crap. Mandatory sentencing has never worked.

None so stupid as those that keep doing the same thing over and over, no matter how many times it fails

Can you think of a solution?

You'll never stop violent crime. At best all you can do is try to minimise it. The authorities need the public to cooperate and work with them. Mandatory sentencing creates an us v them society and is a barrier to cooperation

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Re: How can governments eliminate violent crime ?
Reply #27 - May 5^th, 2024 at 2:25pm

John Smith wrote on May 5^th, 2024 at 2:21pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 10:59pm:

John Smith wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 10:39pm:

Daves2017 wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 5:50pm:

Completely review the judicial system and those employed within it.

Set minimum sentence I.e First offence = 3 years jail non parole.
2nd = six, 3rd = life.

It will stop very quickly.

Crap. Mandatory sentencing has never worked.

None so stupid as those that keep doing the same thing over and over, no matter how many times it fails

Can you think of a solution?

You'll never stop violent crime. At best all you can do is try to minimise it. The authorities need the public to cooperate and work with them. Mandatory sentencing creates an us v them society and is a barrier to cooperation

So it's Gondwanamo Bay for the incurables? Or a prison or a mental asylum?

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Re: How can governments eliminate violent crime ?
Reply #28 - May 5^th, 2024 at 2:27pm

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Of course >> Mandatory sentencing << must work

Why? Because if it doesn't you'll have to admit you're an idiot. It not a new concept
and it's being tried many times. Yet none of the data shows mandatory sentencing ever reducing crime. None. Even after all your prayers that it would. All it does it severely impact the lower socio ecominic section of our society.

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Reply #29 - May 5^th, 2024 at 2:28pm

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on May 5^th, 2024 at 2:25pm:

John Smith wrote on May 5^th, 2024 at 2:21pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 10:59pm:

John Smith wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 10:39pm:

Daves2017 wrote on May 4^th, 2024 at 5:50pm:

Completely review the judicial system and those employed within it.

Set minimum sentence I.e First offence = 3 years jail non parole.
2nd = six, 3rd = life.

It will stop very quickly.

Crap. Mandatory sentencing has never worked.

None so stupid as those that keep doing the same thing over and over, no matter how many times it fails

Can you think of a solution?

You'll never stop violent crime. At best all you can do is try to minimise it. The authorities need the public to cooperate and work with them. Mandatory sentencing creates an us v them society and is a barrier to cooperation

So it's Gondwanamo Bay for the incurables? Or a prison or a mental asylum?

If anyone belongs in a mental asylum it would be you.

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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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