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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 19763 Gender:	Re: More from JM Reply #105 - Apr 29^th, 2025 at 1:56pm Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 28^th, 2025 at 8:12pm: From deniers, according to the Guardian. Is IS getting a bit hard to, you know, deny AGW when it is so bloody hot for so long and ice cover is at a minimum. Whoever said that deniers don’t talk against AGW hasn’t looked here From that harbinger of TRUTH, the Guardian.
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Reply #106 - Apr 29^th, 2025 at 2:27pm

In the same thread about loss of power in the Iberian Peninsula -

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 29^th, 2025 at 11:45am:

It was something to do with the European grid, powered in part by French nuclear power.

Of course the nuclear did not go down. Wink

And just days after PV magazine posted about Spain achieving 100% renewables in a weekday.

"Spain hits first weekday of 100% renewable power on national grid

Spain’s grid ran entirely on renewable energy for the first time on April 16, with wind, solar, and hydro meeting all peninsular electricity demand during a weekday. Five days later, solar set a new record, generating 20,120 MW of instantaneous power – covering 78.6% of demand and 61.5% of the grid mix."

https://www.pv-magazine.com/2025/04/22/spain-hits-first-weekday-of-100-renewable...

Renewables are good, until they ain't. Wink

"The network lost 15 gigawatts of electricity generation in five seconds at around midday local time, the Spanish energy ministry said, without explaining the reason for the loss."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-04-29/spain-portugal-power-outage-how-it-happen...

No explanation as yet.

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Bobby. Moderator Offline Australian Politics Posts: 115675 Melbourne Gender:	Re: More from JM Reply #107 - Apr 29^th, 2025 at 2:44pm Monk doesn't know.
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Reply #108 - Apr 30^th, 2025 at 3:58pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 30^th, 2025 at 9:19am:

https://www.carbonbrief.org/state-of-the-climate-2025-close-behind-2024-as-the-h...

Another hot year, despite a weak La Nina in the first two months, but not a record breaker:

Now these are so-called average temperatures, from a mere 2 data points per day, that is the median not the average. Now if you took records hourly, you could possibly find the true average. Does the temperature, spike and the average is less than the two point anomaly really sit at the middle of the two temperatures? We don't know, but it is always worse than we thought. Wink

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Reply #109 - Apr 30^th, 2025 at 5:12pm

lee wrote on Apr 30^th, 2025 at 3:58pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 30^th, 2025 at 9:19am:

https://www.carbonbrief.org/state-of-the-climate-2025-close-behind-2024-as-the-h...

Another hot year, despite a weak La Nina in the first two months, but not a record breaker:

Now these are so-called average temperatures, from a mere 2 data points per day, that is the median not the average. Now if you took records hourly, you could possibly find the true average. Does the temperature, spike and the average is less than the two point anomaly really sit at the middle of the two temperatures? We don't know, but it is always worse than we thought. Wink

Don't listen to Monk -
he's a high school dropout who projects that failure on to me.

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Bobby. Moderator Offline Australian Politics Posts: 115675 Melbourne Gender:	Re: More from JM Reply #110 - Apr 30^th, 2025 at 6:17pm Monk couldn't even identify or tell us any rock and mineral stories on this thread: https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1735199488/60 He says he has a BSc which makes him a trained geologist.
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Reply #111 - May 1^st, 2025 at 6:13pm

RE: Moon to get Hammered
Jovial Monk wrote on May 1^st, 2025 at 5:45pm:

By an asteroid.

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'City-killer' asteroid that might hit moon has 'unexpected' shape, astronomers say

The once-dubbed "city-killer" asteroid 2024 YR4 has surprised scientists with its 'unusual' shape as it rapidly rotates through space on a trajectory that could see it hit the moon.

If it does hit the moon won’t do any real damage. Be spectacular tho!

https://www.livescience.com/space/asteroids/city-killer-asteroid-that-might-hit-...

So in the final sentence he admits it is supposition. Just like his climate thing. Grin

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Reply #112 - May 2^nd, 2025 at 9:32am

lee wrote on May 1^st, 2025 at 6:13pm:

RE: Moon to get Hammered
Jovial Monk wrote on May 1^st, 2025 at 5:45pm:

By an asteroid.

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'City-killer' asteroid that might hit moon has 'unexpected' shape, astronomers say

The once-dubbed "city-killer" asteroid 2024 YR4 has surprised scientists with its 'unusual' shape as it rapidly rotates through space on a trajectory that could see it hit the moon.

If it does hit the moon won’t do any real damage. Be spectacular tho!

https://www.livescience.com/space/asteroids/city-killer-asteroid-that-might-hit-...

So in the final sentence he admits it is supposition. Just like his climate thing. Grin

Monk doesn't know. Roll Eyes

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Reply #113 - May 6^th, 2025 at 12:29pm

Jovial Monk wrote on May 6^th, 2025 at 5:23am:

"Warmer air holds more water. It's fundamental," Becker said.

Actually that is not true. Warmer air MAY hold more water, but it is not a given. The Clausius-Clapeyron equation has not been overturned. Wink

You would think a Professor of Atmospheric Science would know that.

"Dr. Emily Becker is a Research Associate Professor in the Department of Atmospheric Sciences at the University of Miami’s Rosenstiel School of Marine, Atmospheric, and Earth Science and the Associate Director of UM’s Cooperative Institute for Marine and Atmospheric Studies (CIMAS). "

https://people.miami.edu/profile/e0c37d67e44050fe43c1563befb82dc1

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Reply #114 - May 6^th, 2025 at 3:46pm

lee wrote on May 6^th, 2025 at 12:29pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on May 6^th, 2025 at 5:23am:

"Warmer air holds more water. It's fundamental," Becker said.

Actually that is not true. Warmer air MAY hold more water, but it is not a given. The Clausius-Clapeyron equation has not been overturned. Wink

You would think a Professor of Atmospheric Science would know that.

"Dr. Emily Becker is a Research Associate Professor in the Department of Atmospheric Sciences at the University of Miami’s Rosenstiel School of Marine, Atmospheric, and Earth Science and the Associate Director of UM’s Cooperative Institute for Marine and Atmospheric Studies (CIMAS). "

https://people.miami.edu/profile/e0c37d67e44050fe43c1563befb82dc1

Hi Lee -
I don't follow you there?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clausius%E2%80%93Clapeyron_relation

Clausius–Clapeyron relation

Kelvin and his brother James Thomson confirmed the relation experimentally in 1849–50,
and it was historically important as a very early successful application of theoretical thermodynamics.
[5] Its relevance to meteorology and climatology is the increase of the water-holding capacity of the atmosphere
by about 7% for every 1 °C (1.8 °F) rise in temperature.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 19763 Gender:	Re: More from JM Reply #115 - May 6^th, 2025 at 5:27pm The Atmosphere CAN hold more water. It doesn't mean it MUST, but could. A reference - https://www.theweatherprediction.com/habyhints2/646/
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Bobby. Moderator Offline Australian Politics Posts: 115675 Melbourne Gender:	Re: More from JM Reply #116 - May 6^th, 2025 at 5:32pm lee wrote on May 6^th, 2025 at 5:27pm: The Atmosphere CAN hold more water. It doesn't mean it MUST, but could. A reference - https://www.theweatherprediction.com/habyhints2/646/ Does that link prove your point?
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Reply #117 - May 6^th, 2025 at 5:55pm

"You may have heard a phrase such as “warm air can have more moisture than cold air”. "

"The other version of the equation is used to determine what could be the maximum amount of moisture in the air for a given temperature."

It is not deterministic.

Another -

"By the end of this section, you should be able to discuss why the idea that warm air holds more water vapor than cold air is a fallacy, and discuss how water drops grow in terms of condensation rates and evaporation rates."

https://www.e-education.psu.edu/meteo3/node/2223

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Reply #118 - May 6^th, 2025 at 6:10pm

lee wrote on May 6^th, 2025 at 5:55pm:

"You may have heard a phrase such as “warm air can have more moisture than cold air”. "

"The other version of the equation is used to determine what could be the maximum amount of moisture in the air for a given temperature."

It is not deterministic.

Another -

"By the end of this section, you should be able to discuss why the idea that warm air holds more water vapor than cold air is a fallacy, and discuss how water drops grow in terms of condensation rates and evaporation rates."

https://www.e-education.psu.edu/meteo3/node/2223

OK - maybe in future you could confine your criticisms of Monk
to only his most humiliating examples?

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 19763 Gender:	Re: More from JM Reply #119 - May 6^th, 2025 at 6:29pm I would have thought that a scientist, like Monk, would know that. He spreads his imaginings.
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