Australian Politics Forum - Pernicious nonsense

thegreatdivide

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics 

Posts: 14382
Gender: male

Re: Pernicious nonsense
Reply #30 - Apr 29^th, 2024 at 1:43pm

Frank wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2024 at 8:03am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2024 at 2:26pm:

But the 'cultural sovereignty'/'freedom values' delusions are still with us.

Explain what you mean by [ i]'cultural sovereignty'/'freedom values'[/i]

1. What is cultural sovereignty?

2. What are freedom values?

How do they go together? In what way are they delusions?

'Cultural sovereignty' means each culture is entitled to survive forever, in the eyes of its adherents......a delusion.

"freedom values" is the idea that each individual is free, without regard to the well-being of the collective. ...also a delusion.

They are both incompatible with an effective international rules-based sytem, eg by definition, 'national sovereignty' rules out effective international law.

And intra-national 'shared sovereignty' wanted by indigenous people amounts to apartheid.

Back to top

IP Logged

Frank Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 54628 Gender:	Re: Pernicious nonsense Reply #31 - Apr 29^th, 2024 at 1:47pm thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 29^th, 2024 at 1:43pm: "freedom values" is the idea that each individual is free, without regard to the well-being of the collective. ...also a delusion. Who has EVER said anything like that- apart from you?
Back to top	Estragon: I can’t go on like this. Vladimir: That’s what you think. IP Logged

thegreatdivide

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics 

Posts: 14382
Gender: male

Re: Pernicious nonsense
Reply #32 - Apr 29^th, 2024 at 2:20pm

Frank wrote on Apr 29^th, 2024 at 1:47pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 29^th, 2024 at 1:43pm:

"freedom values" is the idea that each individual is free, without regard to the well-being of the collective. ...also a delusion.

Who has EVER said anything like that- apart from you?

Er... the "freedom values" mob who claim China's consensus meritocracy is incompatible with "freedom".

Which is the excuse these fake "freedom" goons are using to soften us up for war with China, using the Taiwan card which is NONE of our business.

Back to top

IP Logged

Frank

Gold Member

Online

Australian Politics

Posts: 54628
Gender: male

Re: Pernicious nonsense
Reply #33 - Apr 29^th, 2024 at 2:32pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 29^th, 2024 at 2:20pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 29^th, 2024 at 1:47pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 29^th, 2024 at 1:43pm:

"freedom values" is the idea that each individual is free, without regard to the well-being of the collective. ...also a delusion.

Who has EVER said anything like that- apart from you?

Er... the "freedom values" mob who claim China's consensus meritocracy is incompatible with "freedom".

Which is the excuse these fake "freedom" goons are using to soften us up for war with China, using the Taiwan card which is NONE of our business.

You are an idiot. You invent your idiocies and then fight them with your other idiocies.
You are locked into a mighty battle with your own conflicting idiocies.

Back to top

Estragon: I can’t go on like this.
Vladimir: That’s what you think.

IP Logged

thegreatdivide

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics 

Posts: 14382
Gender: male

Re: Pernicious nonsense
Reply #34 - Apr 29^th, 2024 at 5:41pm

Frank wrote on Apr 29^th, 2024 at 2:32pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 29^th, 2024 at 2:20pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 29^th, 2024 at 1:47pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 29^th, 2024 at 1:43pm:

"freedom values" is the idea that each individual is free, without regard to the well-being of the collective. ...also a delusion.

Who has EVER said anything like that- apart from you?

Er... the "freedom values" mob who claim China's consensus meritocracy is incompatible with "freedom".

Which is the excuse these fake "freedom" goons are using to soften us up for war with China, using the Taiwan card which is NONE of our business.

You are an idiot. You invent your idiocies and then fight them with your other idiocies.
You are locked into a mighty battle with your own conflicting idiocies.

Er... you forgot to refute the points I made.

Come on, try engaging your brain...

Where is the error in :

" Er... the "freedom values" mob who claim China's consensus meritocracy is incompatible with "freedom"."

I can assure you they exist, eg, the ASPI.

Back to top

IP Logged

Frank

Gold Member

Online

Australian Politics

Posts: 54628
Gender: male

Re: Pernicious nonsense
Reply #35 - May 2^nd, 2024 at 8:39am

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 29^th, 2024 at 5:41pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 29^th, 2024 at 2:32pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 29^th, 2024 at 2:20pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 29^th, 2024 at 1:47pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 29^th, 2024 at 1:43pm:

"freedom values" is the idea that each individual is free, without regard to the well-being of the collective. ...also a delusion.

Who has EVER said anything like that- apart from you?

Er... the "freedom values" mob who claim China's consensus meritocracy is incompatible with "freedom".

Which is the excuse these fake "freedom" goons are using to soften us up for war with China, using the Taiwan card which is NONE of our business.

You are an idiot. You invent your idiocies and then fight them with your other idiocies.
You are locked into a mighty battle with your own conflicting idiocies.

Er... you forgot to refute the points I made.

Come on, try engaging your brain...

Where is the error in :

" Er... the "freedom values" mob who claim China's consensus meritocracy is incompatible with "freedom"."

I can assure you they exist, eg, the ASPI.

China is a one-party communist DICTATORSHIP. It is not freedom if you can have any colour as long as it is red.

Geddit??

Back to top

Estragon: I can’t go on like this.
Vladimir: That’s what you think.

IP Logged

Frank

Gold Member

Online

Australian Politics

Posts: 54628
Gender: male

Re: Pernicious nonsense
Reply #36 - May 2^nd, 2024 at 8:42am

Re ASPI

The building blocks of the propaganda system enabling CCP information campaigns

Executive Summary
The Chinese Communist Party (CCP) is leveraging its propaganda system to build a toolkit to enable information campaigns. Its objective is to control communication and shape narratives and perceptions about China in order to present a specific version of truth and reality, both domestically and internationally. Ultimately, the CCP aims to strengthen its grip on power, legitimise its activities and bolster China’s cultural, technological, economic and military influence.

The CCP seeks to maintain total control over the information environment within China, while simultaneously working to extend its influence abroad to reshape the global information ecosystem. That includes not only controlling media and communications platforms outside China, but also ensuring that Chinese technologies and companies become the foundational layer for the future of information and data exchange worldwide.
https://www.aspi.org.au/report/truth-and-reality-chinese-characteristics

Back to top

Estragon: I can’t go on like this.
Vladimir: That’s what you think.

IP Logged

thegreatdivide

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics 

Posts: 14382
Gender: male

Re: Pernicious nonsense
Reply #37 - May 2^nd, 2024 at 11:34am

Frank wrote on May 2^nd, 2024 at 8:39am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 29^th, 2024 at 5:41pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 29^th, 2024 at 2:32pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 29^th, 2024 at 2:20pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 29^th, 2024 at 1:47pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 29^th, 2024 at 1:43pm:

"freedom values" is the idea that each individual is free, without regard to the well-being of the collective. ...also a delusion.

Who has EVER said anything like that- apart from you?

Er... the "freedom values" mob who claim China's consensus meritocracy is incompatible with "freedom".

Which is the excuse these fake "freedom" goons are using to soften us up for war with China, using the Taiwan card which is NONE of our business.

You are an idiot. You invent your idiocies and then fight them with your other idiocies.
You are locked into a mighty battle with your own conflicting idiocies.

Er... you forgot to refute the points I made.

Come on, try engaging your brain...

Where is the error in :

" Er... the "freedom values" mob who claim China's consensus meritocracy is incompatible with "freedom"."

I can assure you they exist, eg, the ASPI.

China is a one-party communist DICTATORSHIP. It is not freedom if you can have any colour as long as it is red.

Geddit??

In your eyes. Others see it as a consensus meritocracy.

Meanwhile, fascist repubs in the US are backing the ending of student protests via giving rein to violent thugs in the NYPD....the joys of 'democracy'...

Back to top

IP Logged

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 89219 Proud Old White Australian Man Gender:	Re: Pernicious nonsense Reply #38 - May 2^nd, 2024 at 12:55pm thegreatdivide wrote on May 2^nd, 2024 at 11:34am: In your eyes. Others see it as a consensus meritocracy. Meanwhile, fascist repubs in the US are backing the ending of student protests via giving rein to violent thugs in the NYPD....the joys of 'democracy'... We all have our blind spots.....
Back to top	“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.” ― John Adams IP Logged

thegreatdivide

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics 

Posts: 14382
Gender: male

Re: Pernicious nonsense
Reply #39 - May 2^nd, 2024 at 1:11pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on May 2^nd, 2024 at 12:55pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 2^nd, 2024 at 11:34am:

In your eyes. Others see it as a consensus meritocracy.

Meanwhile, fascist repubs in the US are backing the ending of student protests via giving rein to violent thugs in the NYPD....the joys of 'democracy'...

We all have our blind spots.....

touche' ....

Back to top

IP Logged

Frank

Gold Member

Online

Australian Politics

Posts: 54628
Gender: male

Re: Pernicious nonsense
Reply #40 - May 2^nd, 2024 at 3:39pm

thegreatdivide wrote on May 2^nd, 2024 at 11:34am:

Frank wrote on May 2^nd, 2024 at 8:39am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 29^th, 2024 at 5:41pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 29^th, 2024 at 2:32pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 29^th, 2024 at 2:20pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 29^th, 2024 at 1:47pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 29^th, 2024 at 1:43pm:

"freedom values" is the idea that each individual is free, without regard to the well-being of the collective. ...also a delusion.

Who has EVER said anything like that- apart from you?

Er... the "freedom values" mob who claim China's consensus meritocracy is incompatible with "freedom".

Which is the excuse these fake "freedom" goons are using to soften us up for war with China, using the Taiwan card which is NONE of our business.

You are an idiot. You invent your idiocies and then fight them with your other idiocies.
You are locked into a mighty battle with your own conflicting idiocies.

Er... you forgot to refute the points I made.

Come on, try engaging your brain...

Where is the error in :

" Er... the "freedom values" mob who claim China's consensus meritocracy is incompatible with "freedom"."

I can assure you they exist, eg, the ASPI.

China is a one-party communist DICTATORSHIP. It is not freedom if you can have any colour as long as it is red.

Geddit??

In your eyes. Others see it as a consensus meritocracy.

In their own eyes, parrot. No need for your idiotic, Orwellian twisting and torturing the language:

Chinese constitution

Article 1 The People’s Republic of China is a socialist state governed by a people’s democratic dictatorship that is led by the working class and based on an alliance of workers and peasants.

The socialist system is the fundamental system of the People’s Republic of China. Leadership by the Communist Party of China is the defining feature of socialism with Chinese characteristics. It is prohibited for any organization or individual to damage the socialist system.
https://english.www.gov.cn/archive/lawsregulations/201911/20/content_WS5ed8856ec...

Back to top

Estragon: I can’t go on like this.
Vladimir: That’s what you think.

IP Logged

Frank Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 54628 Gender:	Re: Pernicious nonsense Reply #41 - Jul 9^th, 2024 at 3:28pm Another one for the "Oh!! FOR &*'S SAKE!" File: Sydney's Cooks River may be renamed Goolay'yari, meaning Place of the Pelican Dreaming You couldn't make up this shite, honestly.
Back to top	Estragon: I can’t go on like this. Vladimir: That’s what you think. IP Logged

Gnads

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 32399
Gender: male

Re: Pernicious nonsense
Reply #42 - Jul 9^th, 2024 at 6:41pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2024 at 2:04pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2024 at 2:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2024 at 1:48pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2024 at 9:56am:

As Claire Lehmann points out: by indulging the decolonial activist agenda that rejects the existence of objective truths or a hierarchy of knowledge, universities undermine the very premise on which society deems them worthy of public funding. If we accept the decolonial notion that no form of knowledge can be deemed superior to any other, then what exactly are students paying for? What specialised skills or benefits do university graduates gain that non-graduates lack? Why should the public continue to fund these multibillion-dollar organisations if the knowledge they offer is just as valid as any other “way of knowing”?

When I read that, I thought: "This is from someone who has never been to university".

Ah.

Not at all. You simply did not understand the point even though it is put very succinctly, as a series of questions. Can you answer them to show your understanding?

Oh, I understand alright.

And from your response I can safely assume you have never stepped foot on a university campus.

Well, not to study.

And they don't do much of that on our modern day campuses either.

It's all brainwashing & indoctrination by post modernist lefty academics on a guilt trip.

Back to top

"When you are dead, you do not know you are dead. It's only painful and difficult for others. The same applies when you are stupid." ~ Ricky Gervais

IP Logged