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Reply #15 - Apr 22^nd, 2024 at 2:26pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2024 at 2:10pm:

(sigh) you want to condemn "progressives" (like Jacinda Adern) for their 'pernicious nonsense', without understanding WHY they want to raise the general population's estimation of h-g indigenous cultures.

Hint: remember the 'annoying' gap....?

From what I've read and heard about Ardern, there's little she did that wasn't driven by political expediency and cynicism.

The NZ Maori vote leans heavily towards Labour.

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Reply #16 - Apr 22^nd, 2024 at 2:26pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2024 at 2:14pm:

So the view of h-gs will rise when they are illiterate?

Obviously not, except in the view of deluded 'cultural sovereignty' ideologues.

Be careful now.....

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Son - those days are GONE!

But the 'cultural sovereignty'/'freedom values' delusions are still with us.

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Reply #18 - Apr 22^nd, 2024 at 2:55pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2024 at 2:26pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2024 at 2:14pm:

So the view of h-gs will rise when they are illiterate?

Obviously not, except in the view of deluded 'cultural sovereignty' ideologues.

Be careful now.....

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Son - those days are GONE!

But the 'cultural sovereignty'/'freedom values' delusions are still with us.

Ouch.

Unless, of course, it is the 'cultural sovereignty'/'freedom values' of the 'Indigenous' which somehow take on the mantle of Holy Writ... the Noble Illiterate, Innumerate Savage rises above all other forms of being..... a heroic figure ...

That's what you get when kids are subjected to fantasy in video games...

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Reply #19 - Apr 22^nd, 2024 at 4:24pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2024 at 2:10pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2024 at 1:46pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2024 at 12:51pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2024 at 11:50am:

Stupidity is more contagious than any covid, and indigenous activists and their white boosters and apologists are more succeceptible than the general population which has the antidote - common sense.

Well, asserting that a hunter-gatherer consciousness of the world is more (or equally) important than modern scientific discovery is indeed absurd.

But "progressives" assert it because they are trying to see indigenous cultures prosper in the modern world, as an antidote to the modern world's vicious, welfare- dependency economics.

(There was no welfare-dependency in indigenous h-g cultures; everyone - including women and kids - automatically had a role in the economy).

This is about science, parrot, not your hobby horse.

(sigh) you want to condemn "progressives" (like Jacinda Adern) for their 'pernicious nonsense', without understanding WHY they want to raise the general population's estimation of h-g indigenous cultures.

Hint: remember the 'annoying' gap....?

“All the tender feelings of family life, of friendship, love, gratitude, even honor must be stifled by a single cold passion for the revolutionary cause.”

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Reply #20 - Apr 23^rd, 2024 at 7:50am

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2024 at 1:48pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2024 at 9:56am:

As Claire Lehmann points out: by indulging the decolonial activist agenda that rejects the existence of objective truths or a hierarchy of knowledge, universities undermine the very premise on which society deems them worthy of public funding. If we accept the decolonial notion that no form of knowledge can be deemed superior to any other, then what exactly are students paying for? What specialised skills or benefits do university graduates gain that non-graduates lack? Why should the public continue to fund these multibillion-dollar organisations if the knowledge they offer is just as valid as any other “way of knowing”?

When I read that, I thought, this is from someone who has never been to university.

However, when I Googled Lehmann I discovered this:

"She graduated with a bachelor's degree in psychology and English from the University of Adelaide with first-class honours in 2010."

Really!? Shocked

Quite surprising considering how ignorant she is about the value of university education.

Then again, this could explain something: "Born 18 July 1985, Lehmann ... was raised in Adelaide, South Australia."

Ah.

She's not ignorant of, or devaluing a University education .... what she's crictical of is how that education is being offered/presented by Universities and progressive academics/lecturers with an agenda today.

She was actually criticising this theory/process of de-colonising education being presented.

I'm surprised someone of your supposed intelligence couldn't see that in the piece quoted?

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Reply #21 - Apr 23^rd, 2024 at 7:53am

Educational value is as educational value does, Suh... I guess you missed that simple homily from Forrest Gump... you can teach an idiot to drink water - you can't stop her putting her head under it in the bath-tub and weighing it down with her degrees ......

Anecdote:- the value of a university education is in that it forces you to organise your thinking.... that does not necessarily make you - or your views - right or the only ones......... in fact - the opposite unless you are a True Bigot of - say - the Woke Kind....

Now then - about that developing book - The War On Woke (sub) A testament of truth
.... I'm so busy I need an acolyte or two to do the hard yards... books on the boil and not up to scratch yet...

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Reply #23 - Apr 23^rd, 2024 at 8:23am

Frank wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2024 at 8:03am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2024 at 2:26pm:

But the 'cultural sovereignty'/'freedom values' delusions are still with us.

Explain what you mean by [ i]'cultural sovereignty'/'freedom values'[/i]

1. What is cultural sovereignty?

2. What are freedom values?

How do they go together? In what way are they delusions?

'cultural sovereignty' and all other 'sovereignties' are concepts that adhere to every group within a chosen nation apart from the group(s) currently undergoing the discrediting process due to the perception of past oppression, occupation, colonialisation and even genocide by that group (as undefined) ...

'freedom values' for dividie means the abject surrender of all of your rights and prerogatives to an overbearing and totally controlling government (usually of one party though it is hard to see the difference here at the moment) that will never hold an election over the issues that count or will subordinate any such issues raised pre-election to the barrel of 'non-core promises' etc, so that you can be guided from cradle to grave on someone else's chosen paths of righteousness - kind of like some outdated and time-worn zombie religion ... a cult thing, you understand....

Consider Hamas in Gaza - there has been no election held since 2005 when they forced their way in at gunpoint.... the only vote the people there have had is with their feet, when they danced about applauding the MASSACRE of INNOCENT men, women and children and babies and the rape to death of hostage women and all the rest - and then got 'woke' upset when the predictable retaliation began... point being - with no election saying yay or nay, both Hamas and the electorate are essentially AYELESS IN GAZA ... indeed are just more Unelected Swill (Keating got about two things right, from memory, that was one but he didn't include the public service that unelected, faceless, Dark City Hidden Government that does 70% of lawbinding, while ostensibly acting independently but actually nowadays almost completely, via contracts, under the direct command of their Oberfurhers/Kommissars/Ministerats in Government)....

It is an issue soon to be covered in Professor Grappler's book "The War On Woke " ... since it constitutes part of 'woke' thinking - or whatever you wish to call it...

Interestingly one front in the Woke Axis War On All Others has essentially collapsed with the publication of the Cass report into 'gender issues' - perhaps this will lead to a Casscade effect much as the 'voice proposal' created a cascade effect of people realising they can say:- NO, BUGGAR OFF AND GET A REAL JOB, YA DOPEY BASTARD!! (before being robbed blind-side by 'state governments' of the same despotic ilk). Perhaps now it will be safe for women to hold a public meeting to air their grievances about the unequal treatment of some dork getting a 'safe space' to weep over 'being mis-pronouned' while women and girls cannot simply enjoy the Safe Spaces set aside for them for generations now or hold a public meeting without being assaulted .... maybe Posie Parker can visit Christchurch, NZ's home of the massacre, and not be set upon by deluded thugs.... the same 'people' who abhor the massacre of Muslims are happy to behead JK Rowling and bash and try to kill women for wanting safe spaces. Ah, Woke (kisses off fingers) - you wouldn't piss on them in a forest fire... and they run like pigs from a gun when the real opposition shows up for the fight.

All the children - school age and above - have pretty much vanished from that other forum I frequent.... and like the boys in Lord Of The Flies (not Lord of The Piles - different guy), the appearance of the big adult Cass has suddenly pierced their piggy-killing bubbles... the insertion of that scalpel into their skulls has let all the hot air out.... big and tough for five minutes when not kept under school monitor control.

Transylvania Has Fallen!!

**If I fit too much in for your feeble minds to handle at any given time - remember my age and state of health - if I pass away you will all be the lesser for it, and what you desperately need to be told may vanish from this earth forever... and you and your civilisation pass quietly into the night without even noticing you are dead ..... such as all the Land Enclosures 2024 under all those non-racist, non-preferential to Abos, non-unequal non-Acts.... so much to teach you all - so little time.... I've got to go house hunting today again....

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Reply #24 - Apr 23^rd, 2024 at 8:28am

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2024 at 2:10pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2024 at 1:46pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2024 at 12:51pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2024 at 11:50am:

Stupidity is more contagious than any covid, and indigenous activists and their white boosters and apologists are more succeceptible than the general population which has the antidote - common sense.

Well, asserting that a hunter-gatherer consciousness of the world is more (or equally) important than modern scientific discovery is indeed absurd.

But "progressives" assert it because they are trying to see indigenous cultures prosper in the modern world, as an antidote to the modern world's vicious, welfare- dependency economics.

(There was no welfare-dependency in indigenous h-g cultures; everyone - including women and kids - automatically had a role in the economy).

This is about science, parrot, not your hobby horse.

(sigh) you want to condemn "progressives" (like Jacinda Adern) for their 'pernicious nonsense', without understanding WHY they want to raise the general population's estimation of h-g indigenous cultures.

Hint: remember the 'annoying' gap....?

Why? ... alright. What right she got to try to change how Hunter-gathers are perceived or have estimations of by the general population outside of factual history?

Why does she or other progressives think that they need to change these historical observations into things they never were?

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Reply #25 - Apr 25^th, 2024 at 5:58pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2024 at 1:48pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2024 at 9:56am:

As Claire Lehmann points out: by indulging the decolonial activist agenda that rejects the existence of objective truths or a hierarchy of knowledge, universities undermine the very premise on which society deems them worthy of public funding. If we accept the decolonial notion that no form of knowledge can be deemed superior to any other, then what exactly are students paying for? What specialised skills or benefits do university graduates gain that non-graduates lack? Why should the public continue to fund these multibillion-dollar organisations if the knowledge they offer is just as valid as any other “way of knowing”?

When I read that, I thought, this is from someone who has never been to university.

However, when I Googled Lehmann I discovered this:

"She graduated with a bachelor's degree in psychology and English from the University of Adelaide with first-class honours in 2010."

Really!? Shocked

Quite surprising considering how ignorant she is about the value of university education.

Then again, this could explain something: "Born 18 July 1985, Lehmann ... was raised in Adelaide, South Australia."

Ah.

You are as thick and ignorant as these NYU 'students', insufferable stinker.

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Reply #26 - Apr 27^th, 2024 at 11:34am

Once places of inquiring minds and the contest of ideas, universities are becoming hotbeds of ignorant conformity and enforced political homogeneity. The weak and woke agenda that has infected them is replete with paradoxes: the radical activists preach tolerance but demonise Jews; they demand rights for women but claim men can have babies; they oppose war but make excuses for bloodthirsty terrorism; and they support free expression but engage in digital censorship and physical intimidation.

....

These are students who promote and enjoy sexual liberation, gender equality, embracing of gays, bisexuals and transgender people, imbibing of alcohol, and no doubt free expression, democracy and individual rights; how could they offer comfort to the Islamist extremist terror group Hamas, which would readily throw them off a rooftop on any of those counts?

And yes, like topsy-turvy world, this mob inverts logic and consistency. This is a movement that deliberately targeted Anzac Day for “glorification of war” while it refuses to condemn Hamas for instigating and continuing a war with unspeakable barbarity against civilians. The protesters do not even denounce Hamas for the way it deliberately triggered war: slaughtering 1200 people, including babies, women, teenagers and the elderly, while taking nearly 250 hostages for raping, torture and murder, with about 130 unaccounted for more than six months on.

As I walked into Sydney’s tent city I saw a sign scrawled on the walkway declaring this was the “Gaza camp”. There were Palestinian flags, tents emblazoned with “From the river to the sea” (the obliteration of Israel as a slogan), a stand for Socialist Alternative with a copy of Introducing Marxism on display, and a lot of young people milling about in Palestinian keffiyeh – clearly this lot had skipped the unit on cultural appropriation.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/inquirer/sydney-university-propalestine-camp-sh...

From Columbia to USyd and Melbourne, universities are hotbeds of ignorance and pernicious nonsense.

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Reply #27 - Apr 29^th, 2024 at 9:52am

Frank wrote on Apr 27^th, 2024 at 11:34am:

Once places of inquiring minds and the contest of ideas, universities are becoming hotbeds of ignorant conformity and enforced political homogeneity. The weak and woke agenda that has infected them is replete with paradoxes: the radical activists preach tolerance but demonise Jews; they demand rights for women but claim men can have babies; they oppose war but make excuses for bloodthirsty terrorism; and they support free expression but engage in digital censorship and physical intimidation.

....

These are students who promote and enjoy sexual liberation, gender equality, embracing of gays, bisexuals and transgender people, imbibing of alcohol, and no doubt free expression, democracy and individual rights; how could they offer comfort to the Islamist extremist terror group Hamas, which would readily throw them off a rooftop on any of those counts?

And yes, like topsy-turvy world, this mob inverts logic and consistency. This is a movement that deliberately targeted Anzac Day for “glorification of war” while it refuses to condemn Hamas for instigating and continuing a war with unspeakable barbarity against civilians. The protesters do not even denounce Hamas for the way it deliberately triggered war: slaughtering 1200 people, including babies, women, teenagers and the elderly, while taking nearly 250 hostages for raping, torture and murder, with about 130 unaccounted for more than six months on.

As I walked into Sydney’s tent city I saw a sign scrawled on the walkway declaring this was the “Gaza camp”. There were Palestinian flags, tents emblazoned with “From the river to the sea” (the obliteration of Israel as a slogan), a stand for Socialist Alternative with a copy of Introducing Marxism on display, and a lot of young people milling about in Palestinian keffiyeh – clearly this lot had skipped the unit on cultural appropriation.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/inquirer/sydney-university-propalestine-camp-sh...

From Columbia to USyd and Melbourne, universities are hotbeds of ignorance and pernicious nonsense.

Islamisation = Nazification

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Reply #28 - Apr 29^th, 2024 at 12:16pm

Gnads wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2024 at 8:28am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2024 at 2:10pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2024 at 1:46pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2024 at 12:51pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2024 at 11:50am:

Stupidity is more contagious than any covid, and indigenous activists and their white boosters and apologists are more succeceptible than the general population which has the antidote - common sense.

Well, asserting that a hunter-gatherer consciousness of the world is more (or equally) important than modern scientific discovery is indeed absurd.

But "progressives" assert it because they are trying to see indigenous cultures prosper in the modern world, as an antidote to the modern world's vicious, welfare- dependency economics.

(There was no welfare-dependency in indigenous h-g cultures; everyone - including women and kids - automatically had a role in the economy).

This is about science, parrot, not your hobby horse.

(sigh) you want to condemn "progressives" (like Jacinda Adern) for their 'pernicious nonsense', without understanding WHY they want to raise the general population's estimation of h-g indigenous cultures.

Hint: remember the 'annoying' gap....?

Why? ... alright. What right she got to try to change how Hunter-gathers are perceived or have estimations of by the general population outside of factual history?

Why does she or other progressives think that they need to change these historical observations into things they never were?

Flexible identity of hunter-gatherer colonisers of any area they walked through - punching down on the other Blackfella remains the way of life , even if the blackfullah is a woman or a white or a child.... should be installed so they can look better.

Nowhere more clearly seen than in the wild-eyed demands being put forward at 'treaty' demand sessions..... I demand this so it must be right, eh?

Started with the Angry Femmes way back in the 1970's etc - worked for them .... no wonder the country is filled increasingly with angry and violent people. That's why I blame the 'feminists' and oppose them daily. A violent, hostile, anti-social element bent on supremacism.... and all of Hell followed after them. Until they are conquered and sanity restored, the world will remain in flames.... principalities of good and evil.... The Madness.... The Madness .....

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Reply #29 - Apr 29^th, 2024 at 1:29pm

Frank wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2024 at 4:24pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2024 at 2:10pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2024 at 1:46pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2024 at 12:51pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2024 at 11:50am:

Stupidity is more contagious than any covid, and indigenous activists and their white boosters and apologists are more succeceptible than the general population which has the antidote - common sense.

Well, asserting that a hunter-gatherer consciousness of the world is more (or equally) important than modern scientific discovery is indeed absurd.

But "progressives" assert it because they are trying to see indigenous cultures prosper in the modern world, as an antidote to the modern world's vicious, welfare- dependency economics.

(There was no welfare-dependency in indigenous h-g cultures; everyone - including women and kids - automatically had a role in the economy).

This is about science, parrot, not your hobby horse.

(sigh) you want to condemn "progressives" (like Jacinda Adern) for their 'pernicious nonsense', without understanding WHY they want to raise the general population's estimation of h-g indigenous cultures.

Hint: remember the 'annoying' gap....?

“All the tender feelings of family life, of friendship, love, gratitude, even honor must be stifled by a single cold passion for the revolutionary cause.”

Ah -- hiding behind 'love', to avoid facing the need for revolution, eg for an economy which works for all...

Good one.

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