Buggar - I thought there was a strand on this one.....

https://au.news.yahoo.com/rough-sleepers-in-tent-city-face-uncertainty-as-upcomi...

"Dozens of Aussies sleeping rough in a so-called "tent city" may now face having to forfeit the only place they call home, with the park they inhabit set to be cleared next month to make way for a festival.

There are currently some 60 tents at Musgrave Park in South Brisbane, which has become known as a makeshift community for those in desperate need of housing. Residents of the park say they don't know what will become of their home when the Paniyiri Festival comes to town, but according to council, "there are strict processes in place to ensure occupied tents aren't removed".

Paul Slater, who runs the Northwest Community Group — a charity to help the homeless — sets up stands twice a week to give away food, clothes, toiletries and tents at the park. Previously speaking to Yahoo News Australia, Slater said the pop-up community reflects the overall dire state of the nation's housing crisis.

Slater said the country is in "a housing emergency" and that "these people aren't here by choice". Extortionate rental prices and a lack of suitable housing have been blamed for Australia's rise in homelessness, with wild weather also posing several safety concerns for those in the park too, Slater explained.

"They're often praying for anything to help them get out of the situation that they're in," he said. "They get stuff stolen, their tents get damaged and they can't sleep because of the noise."

The article says there are 60 tents in the "city", but they could only get 3 or 4 of them in a photo.

Nice looking tents.

Do you think they would mind if I pulled up with a camper trailer?

Daves2017 wrote on Apr 8^th, 2024 at 8:39pm:


Apart from supply issues, for which there is no short term fix, nothing will ease our housing shortage. The two policies they need to change they won't touch.
Labor went to an election with policies to reform capital gains and negative gearing and in doing so lost an unlosable election.  Labor won't touch these policies now.  Not until those who remember losing are replaced by those to young to remember. 

Frank wrote on Apr 8^th, 2024 at 8:59pm:


😔 sigh

freediver wrote on Apr 8^th, 2024 at 9:06pm:



The reason there is so much homelessness is because our housing is some of the most expensive in the developed world. A large driver in pushing up prices is cgt and ng laws. I agree with the negative gearing rules, but I just don't think we can sustain them.

.. and now one for Her Majesty ... gone but not forgotten...

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Apr 8^th, 2024 at 10:51pm:


D’uh, negative gearing is there to reduce the tax on the wealthy by turning highly taxed income into lowly taxed capital. House hoarding is why rents are so bloody high.

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 9^th, 2024 at 7:52am:


Rubbish ... what or who do you class as wealthy?

There are lots of Mum & Dad property investors out there .... they're not house hoarding.

And the way tenancy laws have been slanted many are divesting themselves of their properties because the investment is costing more money in maintenance.(tenants trashing the place)

I think Capital Gains tax is as abhorrent a tax as Death Taxes and should be abolished.(The only certainties in life are death & taxes)

Why should the Govt make any gain in the investment you have taken the financial risk for?

Do they cover you for any investment losses?

Both Negative Gearing and Capital Gains tax should be scrapped.

Most property investments are made as being a form of "superannuation" for buyers in their later lives.

This guy is getting a lot of attention lately:

https://twitter.com/purplepingers

Not sure if this link will work but it shows his most recent posts... because Space Karen (Elon Musk) has stuffed X/Twitter to the point where you can't read anything recent unless you have an account or a direct link.

https://nitter.poast.org/purplepingers/with_replies

He was even on The Project the other day.



Fury As TikToker Posts Vacant Property Addresses

The man behind s*it Rentals, Jordan van den Berg, AKA Purple Pingers, has angered Americans after he started collecting addresses of vacant properties and publishing them to encourage those without a home to squat in them amid the housing crisis.

He joins us to explain what's going on.

He's been upsetting Americans too. Someone even tried reporting him to the FBI. 

Carl D are you saying that an 80 year person with dementia who has no family to look after her should be left to die on her own?

Carl D wrote on Apr 9^th, 2024 at 9:54am:


Do you believe everything you read on the internet?

Where does it even say Aramis wants her to be left to die on her own?

Your post doesn't even make sense Carl. Did it ever occur to you that it might be BS? Or do you just regurgitate whatever propaganda makes you feel morally superior?

How many 80 year olds with dementia and no family support do you know who live on their own?

John Smith wrote on Apr 9^th, 2024 at 12:40pm:


You are confused John, on so many levels. A few auction results does not tell you whether removing negative gearing would result in more or less housing. Did it ever occur to you that the cost of building the house might determine the price of the house? Or do you think it depends only on the events you were exposed to as a real estate agent?

And if the homeless are to obtain housing, do you think they will go straight into first home ownership, or rent from one of those investors you are so jealous of?

freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2024 at 12:44pm:


it is you who is confused.

And it's not just a few auction results, it's a consistent result over the last few years.

freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2024 at 2:18pm:



you're  a genuine retard you know that


https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/australian-economy/australias-first-home...

John Smith wrote on Apr 9^th, 2024 at 5:46pm:


John did it ever occur to you that the cost of building the house might determine the price of the house? Or are you somehow impervious to this kind of logic? Do you think the price depends only on the events you were exposed to as a real estate agent?

If the homeless are to obtain housing, do you think they will go straight into first home ownership, or rent from one of those investors you are so jealous of? Straight answer please, not your usual gibberish.

You're both dumb as dogsh it


John Smith wrote on Apr 9^th, 2024 at 5:48pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2024 at 8:59pm:


Sure I did. That's why i answered.  But for some reason you appear to struggle to understand what 'no' means.

With some people, you have to avoid asking compound questions. Say for example if they have some kind of handicap which means they can only conveniently give yes or no answers. Also John Smith.

freediver wrote on Apr 8^th, 2024 at 9:06pm:


Sure we are. There are numerous kit homes that are relatively inexpensive. Hell, you can whack a transportable on a block of land ... if you can afford the block of land. And the amenities.

Whoops. Land value. Bummer.

Wonder what's been driving that up then? And why there are so many with so much and so many with nothing at all. Seems, i dunno, inequitable?

What do you think the reasons for that are Fleadriver, now we've dispensed with the cost of building the actual house being prohibitive.

I mean, that's just silly. They literally give away transportables for the cost of moving them in some instances. Reckon a bank loan would stretch to hiring a truck?

freediver wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 8:28am:


And council approval. Have you looked into how much that costs, and whether the council would actually approve it?

So, it's not just that house building is too expensive then? Agreed. Thanks.

Daves2017 wrote on Apr 10^th, 2024 at 1:25am:


It's an option. But what people call 'homelessness' of me when I was out and about, I called 'Happy Camping'.
In other words - I found it fun, a challenge and a politically liberal feeling.

No way would I camp in some Tent City - you're just asking for trouble from people who made their own trouble being there and are there to 'sponge' and 'scab' from the City around them with 'emotional guilt' for their plight.
Nor would I really hang out in some Tent Village out in the Regional or Rural areas - again, still asking for trouble the moment you leave your tent for the day and to come back to it being ransacked.
Still, people prefer to do so and enjoy so, etc. Let alone don't have the choice.

Me. The Bush is the place to be. And to be in the Bush, means - 'in the Bush' where I can roam naked and run wild and the best things in life are free. 

Can i ask you a question, Fleadriver?

Don't put the toilet above the kitchen Boris.

freediver wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 8:35am:



crap

John Smith wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 8:52am:


Entire town in Far North Queensland on sale for just $340,000

https://www.9news.com.au/national/queensland-town-lappa-up-for-sale-for-just-340000-how-to-buy/52c8bc22-ae2c-4f99-b24e-56d38e2c0713

This Entire Town Is On Sale For $370,000

https://www.newsweek.com/allies-creek-entire-town-sale-au500000-985439

Another one in NSW:

https://www.realestate.com.au/news/an-entire-australian-village-is-up-for-sale/

Gee. How good would it be if all the 'poor' who are 'poor' because they can't afford to live in expensive cities - moved out into the lands of affordable, if not 'free' living?

Soon the poor will be demanding they have Amaroks to drive because they're poor and can't afford them. Maybe pitch a tent in protest?

People who can't afford to live in Point Piper tend to go live in areas where they can afford. It's a simple equational aspect of life. Most certainly don't dumb themselves down by living in Tents in Point Piper to emotionally blackmail the locals in believing they should have 'taxpayer' funded housing in Point Piper.

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 8:58am:



I particularly liked his $6 million town. That was certainly fd at his best 

John Smith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2024 at 8:49am:


Why bother asking.  No jobs elsewhere anyway, and the track to living remote and getting paid by TheGuv is well worn - just tick the box and become an Abo... traditional spiritual lifestyle... get that land for free .....

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 24^th, 2024 at 12:03pm:


Yeah - but according to your myopic and autistic view we all support that regardless of what we actually say.... all com0licit and only you know anything about it.  When are you going to get the UN in to bring peace to Gaza?  Been a while.... when are you going to bring Aboriginal sovereignty and all other sovereignties together on the same plane?  When are you going to go out and fix all the Abo problems with your grans scheme - or would you rather they just cop hand-outs for life one wary or another?  where's your job guarantee in action?  Collecting fees to apply to go to a national park ... yeah - got me a job down the park office at $150k pa and a land cruiser... flat out we are... that's a real job, that is?  Counting the profits money from renewables on land we don't actually own other than 'native title'.  Now there's a job...  as the CAO and CEO all in one the Big Boy will need at least half a mill plus all perks before anyone else gets a cent anyway, and the government - meaning the public - will pay it all as rent, eh?

Stick it where the sun don't shine.

freediver wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 8:56am:



heres a great business opporunity

buy that town

move there and start a you tube channell

document as you do it up.

invite subscribers to your channel to come and stay for free in return for some labour

make it a boutique international travel destination

retire a millionaire having lived life as a lifter, not a leaner

alternatively sit on your leftie ass and complain and see if you can get rich by sooking 

Gnads wrote on Apr 9^th, 2024 at 9:20am:


In the context of this thread, a mortgage free home owner.

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And if they own their own house, the investment property is 'hoarding', and driving up prices for 1st home buyers.

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No I didn't. If a builder can make enough profit building a new house and selling it for $100k, then it does not matter what else happens, he is going to keep building houses until he cannot sell them at that price.

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For some reason people like to gather together in a few overcrowded spots. It doesn't really affect house prices in the other 99.99% of the country. Live in Sydney if you want, but don't expect the taxpayer to pay your rent or buy you a house you cannot afford.

"there are many factors behing high house orices. "

Yeah - over-immigration ... too many competing ...calculated government policy to reduce the peasantry to desperation and thus subservience to the part time casual regimen of work .. ah, the good old swaggy days - "Cut some firewood for ya for a meal, missus?" .... policy aimed at self-enrichment for insiders and stuff everyone else ... divide and conquer along as many social fracture lines as possible.... race, ethnicity, colour, work, income level,  place of abode, status of job, superannuation scheme, size of home, ability to rort business taxes etc......

So many division - so little time...  BTW ... dividie ... what do YOU do for a living?  Wallow in the deep end of the benefits pool or suffer out there in the suburbs/slums like JaSin or Unsub?

I had a cousin - we don't speak any more though when we were young most thought us brother and sister.... her hubby was a contracted government fat cat and she was forced to labour in the public service and got all the perks of having a highly placed hubby as well as sheila perks that have ruined the joint - no room for hard workers and hard chargers....  "Oh - life if so difficult when you have two parents working in promotional positions!"  Sound like the boss lady of the RBA telling us life's easy ....

I come from the 'bad' side of the family - done more than all of them put together and done every hard yard you can imagine better than most .... missed every meal and pair of good shoes along the way until the Army gave me a good pair and fed me luxury corned beef ...... jeez - life can be tough for some, eh?  Fancy having to get by on two good incomes and hubby on a government 'contract' and forced to suck sht from political idiots you wouldn't piss on.....

Life just wasn't meant to be easy for some - clearly I missed my vocation.... should've learned grifting at an early age.

negative gearing can be a legitimate business cost - however - when the entire aim of the business is to incur endless negative gearing, it is clearly not a business at all - bur a rort.

Therefore two things need to happen - it should be closely monitored and the ATO MUST spend its time looking at businesses first - THEN the government must take a serious look at REAL tax revision and stop playing with the edges as if they are important... things such as 'tax brackets' are simply managed by simple indexation.  All government do with that is look at how many are leaping into the highest tax bracket and buy them off with a 'tax cut' which is nothing of the sort but allows them to pay the same anyway - and maybe a little bit for the 'lesser beings' down the scales.

Remember Joe and Jo?  Joe earns $40 an hour and Jo $20 - inflation rises 5% - Joe gets a tax cut of $2 to match ... Jo gets $1 ... average is $3 - on average Jo loses out.

.. it's the poor what gets the blame....

Anyway (**pulls up evening rock along the Road To Gaga Strip) - then you get to look at the likes of 'developer' Slim Mehajer (slim customer) - who pulls the banks into multi-million loans for a 'development' - INSTANTLY starts sucking the cream off the top with his salaries and costs for self etc... pays his sister for administrative ... puts his father on the payroll as a freelance OH &S reviewer ....then proceeds to trim the size of (say) units shown 'off the drawing board', and then eventually - right at closing time for construction, suddenly finds self 'insolvent' with $50m in a Lebo bank (Greater Bank of Ali Baba & Coy), and unable to pay out contractors and is forced to go 'bankrupt' owing the banks millions that the peasants will pay for in fees and charges that the 'big boys' don't pay....!!

The contractors are then forced to raise prices across the board to make up for losses, the banks raise their fees and charges on the peasants and find new ways to rort them, the RBA raises interest rates after the peasants are sucked in... the 'government' laughs behind its hand and says "Oh - that's just business - it's tough out there!" while grabbing another investment opportunity ..... and up and up she goes....

Vertical Slum City - City Of The Future .... waiting for the earthquake.... then there is the option of Tent City - Here We Come..... got a Thirties something Chevy, and we call it a home .....

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That is not an error. I did not say they were. Try again.

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Do you think this contradicts what I posted in any way?

Frank wrote on Apr 24^th, 2024 at 5:27pm:


No.  In fact I agree with Whitlam: the states shouldn't  exist at all - that's got rid of that useless tier of government - 8 governments in fact.

freediver wrote on Apr 24^th, 2024 at 5:27pm:


If builders can't pay materials and labour expenses, they can't make a profit. 

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Yes. Cost of living, and cost of wages,   is too high in Oz.

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Are you saying we get paid too much?