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Reply #30 - May 22^nd, 2024 at 6:19pm

Captain Nemo wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 11:01am:

Speaking of internet security ... for many years I paid a lot of money for Norton Internet Security.

A few years ago, I dumped it and took a chance on Windows inbuilt security.

I find it works quite well. I've not had any security breaches since using it.

I still use Norton.
I seem to have avoided: malware, spyware, Trojan horses and viruses
so I'll stick with it.
But - as I implied in my opening post - emails are not protected by Norton or anything else.

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Reply #32 - May 22^nd, 2024 at 7:26pm

Captain Nemo wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 11:01am:

Speaking of internet security ... for many years I paid a lot of money for Norton Internet Security.

A few years ago, I dumped it and took a chance on Windows inbuilt security.

I find it works quite well. I've not had any security breaches since using it.

For a long long time Norton packages have been way too bulky and dominate way to much computer resources. They have always been among the worst. However a full antivirus suite is a different product to Microsoft's security.

Microsoft defender seems to work well enough.

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Reply #33 - May 22^nd, 2024 at 7:29pm

Bobby. wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 6:19pm:

Captain Nemo wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 11:01am:

Speaking of internet security ... for many years I paid a lot of money for Norton Internet Security.

A few years ago, I dumped it and took a chance on Windows inbuilt security.

I find it works quite well. I've not had any security breaches since using it.

I still use Norton.
I seem to have avoided: malware, spyware, Trojan horses and viruses
so I'll stick with it.
But - as I implied in my opening post - emails are not protected by Norton or anything else.

If you use outlook 365 defender for office 365 is available as a download.

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Reply #34 - May 22^nd, 2024 at 7:31pm

Dnarever wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 7:26pm:

Captain Nemo wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 11:01am:

Speaking of internet security ... for many years I paid a lot of money for Norton Internet Security.

A few years ago, I dumped it and took a chance on Windows inbuilt security.

I find it works quite well. I've not had any security breaches since using it.

For a long long time Norton packages have been way too bulky and dominate way to much computer resources. They have always been among the worst. However a full antivirus suite is a different product to Microsoft's security.

Microsoft defender seems to work well enough.

I don't have any trouble with Norton using up resources -
but I have an 8 core CPU with 32 Gig of RAM and an SSD.

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Reply #36 - May 22^nd, 2024 at 7:47pm

Bobby. wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 7:31pm:

Dnarever wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 7:26pm:

Captain Nemo wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 11:01am:

Speaking of internet security ... for many years I paid a lot of money for Norton Internet Security.

A few years ago, I dumped it and took a chance on Windows inbuilt security.

I find it works quite well. I've not had any security breaches since using it.

For a long long time Norton packages have been way too bulky and dominate way to much computer resources. They have always been among the worst. However a full antivirus suite is a different product to Microsoft's security.

Microsoft defender seems to work well enough.

I don't have any trouble with Norton using up resources -
but I have an 8 core CPU with 32 Gig of RAM and an SSD.

Norton is a lot better than it was at one time. There was a period where it didn't matter how much resource you had it would happily use it all. It does however still use enough resources to be noticeable on the majority of computers.

You may want to check what the Norton disk usage is like. Apps that write to an SSD a lot will reduce its life.

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Reply #37 - May 22^nd, 2024 at 7:48pm

Dnarever wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 7:47pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 7:31pm:

Dnarever wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 7:26pm:

Captain Nemo wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 11:01am:

Speaking of internet security ... for many years I paid a lot of money for Norton Internet Security.

A few years ago, I dumped it and took a chance on Windows inbuilt security.

I find it works quite well. I've not had any security breaches since using it.

For a long long time Norton packages have been way too bulky and dominate way to much computer resources. They have always been among the worst. However a full antivirus suite is a different product to Microsoft's security.

Microsoft defender seems to work well enough.

I don't have any trouble with Norton using up resources -
but I have an 8 core CPU with 32 Gig of RAM and an SSD.

Norton is a lot better than it was at one time. There was a period where it didn't matter how much resource you had it would happily use it all. It does however still use enough resources to be noticeable on the majority of computers.

yes - a few years ago I put Norton on a friend's 32 bit single core 20 year old laptop.
It wasn't powerful enough for Norton.
It went like a snail.

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Re: Microsoft has rubbish security.
Reply #38 - May 24^th, 2024 at 11:20am

Bobby. wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 7:31pm:

Dnarever wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 7:26pm:

Captain Nemo wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 11:01am:

Speaking of internet security ... for many years I paid a lot of money for Norton Internet Security.

A few years ago, I dumped it and took a chance on Windows inbuilt security.

I find it works quite well. I've not had any security breaches since using it.

For a long long time Norton packages have been way too bulky and dominate way to much computer resources. They have always been among the worst. However a full antivirus suite is a different product to Microsoft's security.

Microsoft defender seems to work well enough.

I don't have any trouble with Norton using up resources -
but I have an 8 core CPU with 32 Gig of RAM and an SSD.

You don't need third-party tools anymore. Windows Defender and a properly configured Windows Firewall, plus some common sense online, are all you need.

As someone in the biz, this incident has been fascinating.

It should have never happened, but clearly their focus hasn't been on security for a long time.

Google and Amazon and shown us how the mega tech companies can actually focus on security, it's not impossible.

Microsoft hasn't prioritised security for a long time, and they keep changing their technology behind Azure that it doesn't get a chance to be battle-hardened and is so complex that I sometimes wonder if even they fully understand it themselves.

It also doesn't help that it's entirely black-boxed, not open-source, so there is no way for us to really know and understand how it works, how secure it is etc.

While the incident should never have happened, how they lied about the response is what angers me the most.

To today, they still don't know exactly how the breach happened.

They know how the key material and the legitimately signed certs, but not how it was gathered or created or how far-reaching the access was.

The technique they used could have given them access to any Exchange online mailbox across their entire network, not just a single tenant.

It's actually quite terrifying.

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Reply #39 - Jun 14^th, 2024 at 7:28pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 7^th, 2024 at 11:08pm:

*SIGH* Windows is crap and always has been crap, no matter what version you're talking about. It's security is rubbish. It fails completely to utilise ACLs (Access Control Lists). The other computer systems do, such as Linux and AppleOS. It is far too much a single user computer system. Even in it's multi-user systems it fails dismally, which is why virii and other malfunctions work so well in Windoze systems. Unix, Linux and even AppleOS are superior, far superior. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

I'm no windows fanboi but that is just plain wrong.

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Reply #40 - Jun 14^th, 2024 at 7:32pm

Bobby. wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 9:03am:

Brian Ross wrote on May 21^st, 2024 at 11:14pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 7^th, 2024 at 11:13pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 7^th, 2024 at 11:08pm:

*SIGH* Windows is crap and always has been crap, no matter what version you're talking about. It's security is rubbish. It fails completely to utilise ACLs (Access Control Lists). The other computer systems do, such as Linux and AppleOS. It is far too much a single user computer system. Even in it's multi-user systems it fails dismally, which is why virii and other malfunctions work so well in Windoze systems. Unix, Linux and even AppleOS are superior, far superior. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

It's very bad that hackers can now read all your emails. Sad

Email has never been secure, never. If you have the root login in Unix/Linux you can read any user's email easily. Only fools think it is secure. Fools and Government Ministers perhaps. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

I always thought email was extremely secure and I'm a technical person.

You have qualifications in the arts not science so how would you know?

Email is sent(man in the middle) and stored in plain text or HTML(server admins). Anyone with access can read them unless you(public key)/all ends points use encryption(pops/imaps/smtps) .

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Reply #41 - Jun 14^th, 2024 at 8:50pm

Setanta wrote on Jun 14^th, 2024 at 7:32pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 9:03am:

Brian Ross wrote on May 21^st, 2024 at 11:14pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 7^th, 2024 at 11:13pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 7^th, 2024 at 11:08pm:

*SIGH* Windows is crap and always has been crap, no matter what version you're talking about. It's security is rubbish. It fails completely to utilise ACLs (Access Control Lists). The other computer systems do, such as Linux and AppleOS. It is far too much a single user computer system. Even in it's multi-user systems it fails dismally, which is why virii and other malfunctions work so well in Windoze systems. Unix, Linux and even AppleOS are superior, far superior. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

It's very bad that hackers can now read all your emails. Sad

Email has never been secure, never. If you have the root login in Unix/Linux you can read any user's email easily. Only fools think it is secure. Fools and Government Ministers perhaps. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

I always thought email was extremely secure and I'm a technical person.

You have qualifications in the arts not science so how would you know?

Email is sent(man in the middle) and stored in plain text or HTML(server admins). Anyone with access can read them unless you(public key)/all ends points use encryption(pops/imaps/smtps) .

yes - do you remember Edward Snowden during an interview on TV? -
he said that email was so insecure that when he was at the NSA -
he could even read the President's email.

https://www.techdirt.com/2013/06/10/nsa-whistleblower-ed-snowden-my-desk-i-could...

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