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Reply #120 - May 26^th, 2024 at 3:01pm

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Aussie knows this full well - he claims to have successfully defended one person accused of rape - and accused on much more substantial evidence than a single statement.... so what happened to Aussie after that? He KNOWS 'the thin blue line' still lies and formulates a 'case' by often excluding relevant evidence and so forth - yet he leaps to the hang man's rope for Bruce on the basis of one single statement by an allegedly drunken woman, and ZERO other evidence.

I have successfully defended many blokes charged with rape, and also carnal knowledge (as it was then known.) Which one are you referring to?

I have also successfully defended blokes at the wrong end of AVOs as they are now known.

You have forests on that shoulder of yours and it can only be because of some bad experience you personally have had with domestic violence laws.

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Reply #121 - May 26^th, 2024 at 3:04pm

Aussie wrote on May 26^th, 2024 at 3:01pm:

Grappler:

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Aussie knows this full well - he claims to have successfully defended one person accused of rape - and accused on much more substantial evidence than a single statement.... so what happened to Aussie after that? He KNOWS 'the thin blue line' still lies and formulates a 'case' by often excluding relevant evidence and so forth - yet he leaps to the hang man's rope for Bruce on the basis of one single statement by an allegedly drunken woman, and ZERO other evidence.

I have successfully defended many blokes charged with rape, and also carnal knowledge (as it was then known.) Which one are you referring to?

I have also successfully defended blokes at the wrong end of AVOs as they are now known.

You have forests on that shoulder of yours and it can only be because of some bad experience you personally have had with domestic violence laws.

Better that a hundred innocent men hang than that one guilty man go free, eh? A lie is a lie no matter how many times you turn it on the barbecue. Justice is coming....

So you condemn Bruce on the basis of a single unsubstantiated statement made long after the alleged event........ you are truly amazing.... it is not I with forests on my shoulders.... I stand for the right .....

Now then - why is there no diminution in the brutal war between women and men, but instead that war is escalating?

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Reply #122 - May 26^th, 2024 at 3:09pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 26^th, 2024 at 3:04pm:

Aussie wrote on May 26^th, 2024 at 3:01pm:

Grappler:

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Aussie knows this full well - he claims to have successfully defended one person accused of rape - and accused on much more substantial evidence than a single statement.... so what happened to Aussie after that? He KNOWS 'the thin blue line' still lies and formulates a 'case' by often excluding relevant evidence and so forth - yet he leaps to the hang man's rope for Bruce on the basis of one single statement by an allegedly drunken woman, and ZERO other evidence.

I have successfully defended many blokes charged with rape, and also carnal knowledge (as it was then known.) Which one are you referring to?

I have also successfully defended blokes at the wrong end of AVOs as they are now known.

You have forests on that shoulder of yours and it can only be because of some bad experience you personally have had with domestic violence laws.

Better that a hundred innocent men hang than that one guilty man go free, eh? A lie is a lie no matter how many times you turn it on the barbecue. Justice is coming....

So you condemn Bruce on the basis of a single unsubstantiated statement made long after the alleged event........ you are truly amazing.... it is not I with forests on my shoulders.... I stand for the right .....

Now then - why is there no diminution in the brutal war between women and men, but instead that war is escalating?

No, and neither did the Judge. Read his decision. Stop blathering rubbish.

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Reply #123 - May 26^th, 2024 at 3:59pm

The 'judge' ventured an opinion personal based on a single flimsy piece of evidence. The perfect modern day Fascist - he'd fit perfectly with all the other 'progressive' Fascists doing the rounds ..

I, of course, am a Progressive against 'progressives' - the New Fascists - they have lost their way in the wildernesses of tyranny and despotism - I am leading them out of it.... bit by bit - but they are resistant to reason and sense, preferring to go down into the darkness of the human soul than to rise above their petty stupidities. Only when they find themselves digging their own graves - as so many did once they fell from favour with the 'government' under the Cambodian regime - will they understand what they are doing and have done.

Now then - about all these 'special rights' that somehow accrue to those with Accredited Victim Status these days.... when will basic rights be restored to the majority - you know - the right to be innocent until proven guilty beyond any reasonable doubt and only on verifiable and supported facts... the right to move freely about their own country... the right to not be controlled by some oddball 'religious' belief ... the right to a fair return for their efforts??

Fascists ..... do you understand what they are in reality? Most of you seem to think they are just ordinary, well-intentioned people, good at heart ....... well... they all were, weren't they? Just doing what was best for the country..... and startlingly ordinary while doing the most heinous things to others without thought or consideration.

Now all decent people must prepare themselves for the Civil War being forced upon them. Undecided

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Reply #124 - May 26^th, 2024 at 3:59pm

UnSubRocky wrote on May 26^th, 2024 at 9:25am:

John Smith wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 4:19pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 3:05pm:

But, you don't know if Lehrmann is a rapist.

Sure I do. Unlike some, I don't need to touch water to know that it's wet.

You actually need to touch water to know that it's wet. Otherwise, how would you know without the experience?

You might.

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I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Reply #125 - May 26^th, 2024 at 4:01pm

UnSubRocky wrote on May 26^th, 2024 at 12:54pm:

Aussie wrote on May 26^th, 2024 at 11:51am:

UnSubRocky wrote on May 26^th, 2024 at 11:45am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 10:13pm:

Very vague ... the judge in a civil matter had no right to say what he did. He has over-stepped the boundaries of his office to engage in a political movement towards removal of legal rights, and must be stood down and punished.

I had not reviewed the video of the judge saying that Lehrmann is considered a rapist, or whatever was alleged he was to have said. But, had the judge said that Lehrmann is a rapist, then the judge should step down. I would have the guy disbarred.

His actual words were, 'Bruce Lehrmann raped Brittany Higgins,' as he stared straight down the barrel of the camera.

He is paid to make findings of fact. That's his day job.

If any judge made that comment about me, the judge would find themselves in very serious trouble. Judges are to make judgements based on evidence, not opinion.

I'm sure they're shivering in fear that you might cry about it

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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Reply #126 - May 26^th, 2024 at 4:04pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 26^th, 2024 at 1:14pm:

Aussie wrote on May 26^th, 2024 at 11:51am:

UnSubRocky wrote on May 26^th, 2024 at 11:45am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 10:13pm:

Very vague ... the judge in a civil matter had no right to say what he did. He has over-stepped the boundaries of his office to engage in a political movement towards removal of legal rights, and must be stood down and punished.

I had not reviewed the video of the judge saying that Lehrmann is considered a rapist, or whatever was alleged he was to have said. But, had the judge said that Lehrmann is a rapist, then the judge should step down. I would have the guy disbarred.

His actual words were, 'Bruce Lehrmann raped Brittany Higgins,' as he stared straight down the barrel of the camera.

He is paid to make findings of fact. That's his day job.

So he ignored the facts that Bruce presented..

Not likely. It's just that the judge has a better grasp of reality than you do, and so was able to better interpret those facts.

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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Reply #127 - May 26^th, 2024 at 4:07pm

John Smith wrote on May 26^th, 2024 at 4:01pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on May 26^th, 2024 at 12:54pm:

Aussie wrote on May 26^th, 2024 at 11:51am:

UnSubRocky wrote on May 26^th, 2024 at 11:45am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 10:13pm:

Very vague ... the judge in a civil matter had no right to say what he did. He has over-stepped the boundaries of his office to engage in a political movement towards removal of legal rights, and must be stood down and punished.

I had not reviewed the video of the judge saying that Lehrmann is considered a rapist, or whatever was alleged he was to have said. But, had the judge said that Lehrmann is a rapist, then the judge should step down. I would have the guy disbarred.

His actual words were, 'Bruce Lehrmann raped Brittany Higgins,' as he stared straight down the barrel of the camera.

He is paid to make findings of fact. That's his day job.

If any judge made that comment about me, the judge would find themselves in very serious trouble. Judges are to make judgements based on evidence, not opinion.

I'm sure they're shivering in fear that you might cry about it

They should be... remember Wyatt Earp? His 'vendetta' was a direct conflict between one body of law and another... only one can be right..... and when a 'judge' arbitrarily finds on a single flimsy statement - that is clearly in the wrong........

If this 'judge' had said that Bruce was NOT guilty on the available evidence - there would be a hue and cry and demonstrations and whining throughout the land, and pressure applied to 'politicians' to do what they are seeking to do - impose a rule by decree that the rights of a defendant under law are abolished in some circumstances. They've been halfway there since 1992 with their 'dv laws' that have wrought such havoc..... clearly the people do not agree with them ...

You must put a stop to these Fascists before they totally rule you all.... but you can't see that....

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Reply #128 - May 26^th, 2024 at 4:13pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 26^th, 2024 at 3:59pm:

doing the most heinous things to others without thought or consideration.

Lehrmann wanted the judge to rule on defamation. The judge ruled. Grappler's white-washing of the man matches Grappler's black-bashing of certain people with a skin colour.

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Reply #129 - May 26^th, 2024 at 4:28pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 26^th, 2024 at 4:07pm:

John Smith wrote on May 26^th, 2024 at 4:01pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on May 26^th, 2024 at 12:54pm:

Aussie wrote on May 26^th, 2024 at 11:51am:

UnSubRocky wrote on May 26^th, 2024 at 11:45am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 10:13pm:

Very vague ... the judge in a civil matter had no right to say what he did. He has over-stepped the boundaries of his office to engage in a political movement towards removal of legal rights, and must be stood down and punished.

I had not reviewed the video of the judge saying that Lehrmann is considered a rapist, or whatever was alleged he was to have said. But, had the judge said that Lehrmann is a rapist, then the judge should step down. I would have the guy disbarred.

His actual words were, 'Bruce Lehrmann raped Brittany Higgins,' as he stared straight down the barrel of the camera.

He is paid to make findings of fact. That's his day job.

If any judge made that comment about me, the judge would find themselves in very serious trouble. Judges are to make judgements based on evidence, not opinion.

I'm sure they're shivering in fear that you might cry about it

They should be... remember Wyatt Earp? His 'vendetta' was a direct conflict between one body of law and another... only one can be right..... and when a 'judge' arbitrarily finds on a single flimsy statement - that is clearly in the wrong........

If this 'judge' had said that Bruce was NOT guilty on the available evidence - there would be a hue and cry and demonstrations and whining throughout the land, and pressure applied to 'politicians' to do what they are seeking to do - impose a rule by decree that the rights of a defendant under law are abolished in some circumstances. They've been halfway there since 1992 with their 'dv laws' that have wrought such havoc..... clearly the people do not agree with them ...

You must put a stop to these Fascists before they totally rule you all.... but you can't see that....

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Fuck me Grappler! What is this suggestion this Judge could find him 'not guilty?'

Aren't you the very bloke who has been correctly pointing out that this was a civil Trial, not a criminal one?

Yet there you are, using the terms you abuse other people for using!

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Reply #130 - May 26^th, 2024 at 4:30pm

chimera wrote on May 26^th, 2024 at 4:13pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 26^th, 2024 at 3:59pm:

doing the most heinous things to others without thought or consideration.

Lehrmann wanted the judge to rule on defamation. The judge ruled. Grappler's white-washing of the man matches Grappler's black-bashing of certain people with a skin colour.

Saying he was a rapist is not ruling on defamation... it is accusing a man of rape... I don't 'black-bash' anyone - I set the record straight about land grabs and such... insanity like demanding control over land water and resources and thus ruling over everyone else...

I take it you have a real issue with the NT Coroner stating that 76 out of 81 women murdered in the NT since 2000 were Aboriginal? truth too hard to handle? All men must be subjugated because of the overwhelming predominance of 15-odd% of the population up there in such crimes - a figure that will most likely fit nicely with other states and territories, too? Every kid in Alice Springs should suffer because of the antics of a few?

You do realise that if 15% of the total population up there are guilty of that level of murder - that means that Aboriginal women there are nearly 100 times more likely to be killed at home or in some relationship thing, don't you? 30.8% put the figure at 49 times - half that perp population is 98 times...... 98 times more likely to be killed than ALL others....got it? and you call that 'black-bashing'?

Is it at all possible for you to actually grasp an issue? Do you actually GAF about those Aboriginal women and children? You are just another New Fascist - the perfect concentration camp guard.... a willing dupe just doing your job for the greater good ...

So you don't reckon that a Three State Solution is the answer to all this heebie-jeebie about rights and such and spirits wandering about being upset but never seen and such as long as that idea draws benefits, even down on the ocean floor where they've never seen? I think you need to get out of your inner city enclave and see the real world for a change..... what is wrong with you, boy?

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Reply #131 - May 26^th, 2024 at 4:36pm

Aussie wrote on May 26^th, 2024 at 2:56pm:

Easy. After you have escaped the lions den, 'do not go back for your hat.'

If a news outlet makes defamatory comments about you, it would be easy to make a defamation lawsuit against them. Other than Wilkinson's implied association of Lehrmann as a rapist -- although I cannot make a definite connection -- it is difficult to ignore having your name dragged through the mud.

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Reply #132 - May 26^th, 2024 at 4:39pm

UnSubRocky wrote on May 26^th, 2024 at 4:36pm:

Aussie wrote on May 26^th, 2024 at 2:56pm:

Easy. After you have escaped the lions den, 'do not go back for your hat.'

If a news outlet makes defamatory comments about you, it would be easy to make a defamation lawsuit against them. Other than Wilkinson's implied association of Lehrmann as a rapist -- although I cannot make a definite connection -- it is difficult to ignore having your name dragged through the mud.

It already had been in the criminal trial process, and he managed to escape the lion's den.

He went back for his hat, and got badly mauled this time.

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Reply #133 - May 26^th, 2024 at 4:41pm

John Smith wrote on May 26^th, 2024 at 3:59pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on May 26^th, 2024 at 9:25am:

John Smith wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 4:19pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 3:05pm:

But, you don't know if Lehrmann is a rapist.

Sure I do. Unlike some, I don't need to touch water to know that it's wet.

You actually need to touch water to know that it's wet. Otherwise, how would you know without the experience?

You might.

If you experience something for the first time, you might wonder how things go. Lehrmann, I guess, you have not met in your life? Higgins, too? You did not witness what went on in the Parliament House, away from security cameras?

Therefore, you do need to know what happened in order to make a credible judgement. Circumstantial evidence is not enough.

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 13182 Armidale Gender:	Re: Lehrmann Case Revs Up Women Into Violence. Reply #134 - May 26^th, 2024 at 4:43pm A judge rules on defamation by finding whether stuff happened. He gets paid for it, someone has to collect the $ 1/2 million. Lehrmann wanted lolly big time.
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