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Apr 1^st, 2024 at 7:44am

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SPEECH ‘AT RISK’ FROM FACT CHECKERS

JAMES MORROW - FEDERAL POLITICAL EDITOR

Australians’ free speech could soon by limited by the “entrenched bias” of independent fact checkers under provisions of a proposed misinformation bill, new research has suggested.

The warning comes as legendary Australian businessman Dick Smith won a rare apology from the ABC on Tuesday night over an ABC RMIT fact check he claimed was “full of lies”.

Mr Smith received the apology after he sent a three-page letter to ABC managing director David Anderson complaining that he had been mischaracterised.

The first of its kind research by the Institute of Public Affairs into 970 “fact checks” performed by RMIT and the AAP found that 65 per cent of verdicts came down favourably on the side of centre-left politicians.

The bias was even worse when it came to specific issues such as climate change and Covid-19 policy.

IPA researchers found that 81 per cent of fact-checking investigations targeted critics of government climate change and energy policy while “almost none of the controversial claims made by activists such as predictions of imminent catastrophe, have been investigated”.

Reviewing fact checks during the pandemic, researchers found that 94 per cent of fact checks targeted critics of government Covid-19 policy, despite official claims about everything from the effectiveness of masks to the origin of the virus largely in doubt.

The IPA warned that this could see freedom to debate controversial ideas curtailed under planned
misinformation legislation.

A “guidance note” issued last year by the government said that under the terms of the law, regulators could use “fact checkers or other third party contractors … to monitor compliance” with misinformation rules.

Research by the IPA previously found that 91 per cent of fact checks about the failed Voice to parliament referendum were used to target claims of Voice opponents.

What's next? Rigged election results??????

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53257 At my desk.	Re: Fact Checkers Reply #1 - Apr 1^st, 2024 at 8:04am Quote: while “almost none of the controversial claims made by activists such as predictions of imminent catastrophe, have been investigated”. How do you fact check a prediction?
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Reply #2 - Apr 1^st, 2024 at 8:30am

freediver wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 8:04am:

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while “almost none of the controversial claims made by activists such as predictions of imminent catastrophe, have been investigated”.

How do you fact check a prediction?

Er... you check if they turned out to be accurate. Like this:

2007
Tim Flannery, at one time Australia’s Chief Climate Commissioner, declared rather bizarrely in 2007 that hotter soils meant that “even the rain that falls isn’t actually going to fill our dams and river systems”.

2012
Widespread drenching rains flooded towns and cities and dams full to the brim and overtopping. Indeed, the rainfall that we had last year not only filled Brisbane City’s Wivenhoe Dam water supply storage, but also all of its flood mitigation capacity. The resultant releases of water required to prevent a truly catastrophic dam failure contributed to the inundation of large parts of metropolitan Brisbane.

Doubting Thomas - the first fact-checker
https://content.api.news/v3/images/bin/322f3318cb50871b2da9fb458db51ef1?width=10...

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53257 At my desk.	Re: Fact Checkers Reply #3 - Apr 1^st, 2024 at 8:50am So you do nothing for 17 years? That's what they have been accused of not doing?
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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 33559 Gender:	Re: Fact Checkers Reply #4 - Apr 1^st, 2024 at 9:11am freediver wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 8:04am: Quote: while “almost none of the controversial claims made by activists such as predictions of imminent catastrophe, have been investigated”. How do you fact check a prediction? It wouldn't be a fact would it?
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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 33559 Gender:	Re: Fact Checkers Reply #5 - Apr 1^st, 2024 at 9:14am freediver wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 8:50am: So you do nothing for 17 years? That's what they have been accused of not doing? So you support this fact checking style of censorship? Or is it you're prepared to ignore it because your pet "Climate change" and "renewable energy" propaganda is in the mix?
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Reply #6 - Apr 1^st, 2024 at 9:49am

Gnads wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 9:14am:

freediver wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 8:50am:

So you do nothing for 17 years? That's what they have been accused of not doing?

So you support this fact checking style of censorship?

Or is it you're prepared to ignore it because your pet "Climate change" and "renewable energy" propaganda is in the mix? Grin

Censorship?

Gnads wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 9:11am:

freediver wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 8:04am:

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while “almost none of the controversial claims made by activists such as predictions of imminent catastrophe, have been investigated”.

How do you fact check a prediction?

It wouldn't be a fact would it?

No it wouldn't. The suggestion that predictions ought to be fact check is kind of desperate.

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Reply #7 - Apr 1^st, 2024 at 10:04am

Most fact checks I have seen are solidly based in fact. On the vax it was still consistent with current knowledge even if parts turned out to be somewhat debatable.

There have been periods of time when it was the left that tended to conspiracy theories. Currently the right of politics very much tend to be between nutso and extreme nutso.

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Reply #8 - Apr 1^st, 2024 at 10:43am

freediver wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 9:49am:

Gnads wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 9:14am:

freediver wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 8:50am:

So you do nothing for 17 years? That's what they have been accused of not doing?

So you support this fact checking style of censorship?

Or is it you're prepared to ignore it because your pet "Climate change" and "renewable energy" propaganda is in the mix? Grin

Censorship?

Gnads wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 9:11am:

freediver wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 8:04am:

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while “almost none of the controversial claims made by activists such as predictions of imminent catastrophe, have been investigated”.

How do you fact check a prediction?

It wouldn't be a fact would it?

No it wouldn't. The suggestion that predictions ought to be fact check is kind of desperate.

Yeah a form of censorship .... if you post an opinion that's contrary to say an offical govt post or organisations post it gets picked up by the fact checking programs and over rides what you may have posted & the post you make is not allowed/deleted as misinformation or untrue.

It happens & it's censorship.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53257 At my desk.	Re: Fact Checkers Reply #9 - Apr 1^st, 2024 at 10:50am Do you also think it is censorship when people get banned from this forum or posts get deleted?
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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 59221 Gender:	Re: Fact Checkers Reply #10 - Apr 1^st, 2024 at 11:52am freediver wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 10:50am: Do you also think it is censorship when people get banned from this forum or posts get deleted? Of course, by the very definition = Latin censor, from censere "to appraise, value, judge."
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53257 At my desk.	Re: Fact Checkers Reply #11 - Apr 1^st, 2024 at 11:53am Frank wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 11:52am: freediver wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 10:50am: Do you also think it is censorship when people get banned from this forum or posts get deleted? Of course, by the very definition = Latin censor, from censere "to appraise, value, judge." What language are we speaking?
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Reply #12 - Apr 1^st, 2024 at 12:04pm

good article gands but wont really help.

there is no longer a debate between fact and fiction
between right and wrong
between the truth and lies.

the debate is now between us and them

trump was probably the first to recognise the paradigm shift

its not possible for climate skeptics and climate cultists to debate

there is only winning and losing

i watched on 60 minutes last night as the mainstream media did a hatchett job on tesla for safety issues

this is the result of musk endorsing trump

if musk had endorsed biden, the 60 minutes peice would have been a hatchett job on musk rivals

in such a world you will learn much more and succeed only by reading

the art of war
the 49 laws of power and
machievellis "the prince"

debating your opponent is a fools errand

again trump saw this early on

you dont debate, you deride and belittle and make fun of them
you take away their power

and the winner effect is very real

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aquascoot Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 37932 Gender:	Re: Fact Checkers Reply #13 - Apr 1^st, 2024 at 12:06pm still a good read
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Reply #14 - Apr 1^st, 2024 at 12:10pm

Well my predictions have a 79% success rate.
Not hard to achieve really... on this little pale blue dot of limited possibilities and outcomes for all.
There is only one direction (out of 9) that Politics itself can take and it like all others can only go so far on this small world.

I predict that Britain in the name of Political 'truth' - having prevailed against Germany's, France's and Italy's false claim of being the Political truths apparent 'in the world of today'... will eventually 'sacrifice itself' in the face of the Unification of Islam & Israel as its replacement.
...but the British 'truth' will finally be resurrected in the 'far' West of North America that takes back, what it threw away long ago to become finally 'Great America' in the name of Political 'Truth'.

...ah Predictions.
Pretending that Australia was found and colonised before America is like 'cheating' and seeing the answers before the questions. Wink

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