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Reply #16 - Apr 1^st, 2024 at 7:49pm

Jasin wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 12:10pm:

Well my predictions have a 79% success rate.
Not hard to achieve really... on this little pale blue dot of limited possibilities and outcomes for all.
There is only one direction (out of 9) that Politics itself can take and it like all others can only go so far on this small world.

I predict that Britain in the name of Political 'truth' - having prevailed against Germany's, France's and Italy's false claim of being the Political truths apparent 'in the world of today'... will eventually 'sacrifice itself' in the face of the Unification of Islam & Israel as its replacement.
...but the British 'truth' will finally be resurrected in the 'far' West of North America that takes back, what it threw away long ago to become finally 'Great America' in the name of Political 'Truth'.

...ah Predictions.
Pretending that Australia was found and colonised before America is like 'cheating' and seeing the answers before the questions. Wink

If you have glass balls you should wear well supported underpants so you don't smash them together when you're ravaging a savage. Grin

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53257 At my desk.	Re: Fact Checkers Reply #17 - Apr 1^st, 2024 at 7:51pm Gnads wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 7:46pm: freediver wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 10:50am: Do you also think it is censorship when people get banned from this forum or posts get deleted? In a fashion. What sort of fashion?
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Reply #18 - Apr 1^st, 2024 at 7:54pm

aquascoot wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 12:04pm:

good article gands but wont really help.

there is no longer a debate between fact and fiction
between right and wrong
between the truth and lies.

the debate is now between us and them

trump was probably the first to recognise the paradigm shift

its not possible for climate skeptics and climate cultists to debate

there is only winning and losing

i watched on 60 minutes last night as the mainstream media did a hatchett job on tesla for safety issues

this is the result of musk endorsing trump

if musk had endorsed biden, the 60 minutes peice would have been a hatchett job on musk rivals

in such a world you will learn much more and succeed only by reading

the art of war
the 49 laws of power and
machievellis "the prince"

debating your opponent is a fools errand

again trump saw this early on

you dont debate, you deride and belittle and make fun of them
you take away their power

and the winner effect is very real

Indeed.
The only point in any debate is to demolish your opponent's premises. They are wrong because they start wrong.

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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 33559 Gender:	Re: Fact Checkers Reply #19 - Apr 1^st, 2024 at 7:55pm freediver wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 7:51pm: Gnads wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 7:46pm: freediver wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 10:50am: Do you also think it is censorship when people get banned from this forum or posts get deleted? In a fashion. What sort of fashion? Their freedom to post their opinions is removed.
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Reply #20 - Apr 1^st, 2024 at 7:56pm

Gnads wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 7:55pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 7:51pm:

Gnads wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 7:46pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 10:50am:

Do you also think it is censorship when people get banned from this forum or posts get deleted?

In a fashion.

What sort of fashion?

Their freedom to post their opinions is removed.

What do you mean by freedom to post?

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Reply #21 - Apr 1^st, 2024 at 10:17pm

Gnads wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 7:49pm:

Jasin wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 12:10pm:

Well my predictions have a 79% success rate.
Not hard to achieve really... on this little pale blue dot of limited possibilities and outcomes for all.
There is only one direction (out of 9) that Politics itself can take and it like all others can only go so far on this small world.

I predict that Britain in the name of Political 'truth' - having prevailed against Germany's, France's and Italy's false claim of being the Political truths apparent 'in the world of today'... will eventually 'sacrifice itself' in the face of the Unification of Islam & Israel as its replacement.
...but the British 'truth' will finally be resurrected in the 'far' West of North America that takes back, what it threw away long ago to become finally 'Great America' in the name of Political 'Truth'.

...ah Predictions.
Pretending that Australia was found and colonised before America is like 'cheating' and seeing the answers before the questions. Wink

If you have glass balls you should wear well supported underpants so you don't smash them together when you're ravaging a savage. Grin

I couldn't help it if the Mongolian horse chick laid back on her table with her mouth open to be 'balled' on the slopehead. I was only in my 20's and far from home among the nomads.

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Reply #22 - Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 9:16am

aquascoot wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 12:04pm:

...its not possible for climate skeptics and climate cultists to debate

I'd have to disagree with that claim. The scientists you pejoratively
call "cultists" are armed with factual climate data gathered, sorted
and researched for decades, if not centuries. All of these data have
been peer reviewed by hundreds of other scientists, and published
in thousands of science papers and journals the world over.

What empirical climate data do the skeptics have? Anything like this...

In a temperature record stretching back into the late 19th century,
the ten hottest years have all occurred since 2010. The hottest
by a large margin (at the time of writing - early this year) was 2023,
with 2016 in second place. In both cases man-made global warming
augmented by El Nino nudged these years into pole position. One
of the top ten, 2022, was also the warmest La Nina year on record.

aquascoot wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 12:04pm:

I watched on 60 Minutes last night as the mainstream media did a hatchet job on Tesla for safety issues.

This is the result of Musk endorsing Trump

If Musk had endorsed Biden, the 60 Minutes piece would have been a hatchet job on Musk rivals...

LOL... seriously?

Have you now resorted to manufacturing your own conspiracy theories
Aqua? Aren't there enough of the bloody things out there in cyberspace
to keep you happy mate?

And if I may offer a couple of unrelated suggestions: Can you please
get your broken CAPS key fixed, and also download one of the many
free spell-checkers.

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Reply #23 - Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 9:24am

Frank wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 7:54pm:

The only point in any debate is to demolish your opponent's premises...

Nope, the only point is to prove your own.

If you do that, then the debate is won by you—and with less mental effort.

EG: Thousands of people claim the Earth is flat, and they have
truckloads of "evidence" proving that (or so they mistakenly think).

It's virtually impossible to disprove their claims without a lot of
laborious intellectual effort, but it's far, far easier to prove my
claim that the Earth is an oblate spheroid.

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Reply #24 - Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 10:26am

freediver wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 7:56pm:

Gnads wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 7:55pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 7:51pm:

Gnads wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 7:46pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 10:50am:

Do you also think it is censorship when people get banned from this forum or posts get deleted?

In a fashion.

What sort of fashion?

Their freedom to post their opinions is removed.

What do you mean by freedom to post?

You must have been a right prat at school.

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 61958 Here Gender:	Re: Fact Checkers Reply #25 - Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 11:03am The right hate fact checks for the same reason that they hate facts. Fact is not relevant to the right.
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Reply #26 - Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 11:08am

Gnads wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 7:55pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 7:51pm:

Gnads wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 7:46pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 10:50am:

Do you also think it is censorship when people get banned from this forum or posts get deleted?

In a fashion.

What sort of fashion?

Their freedom to post their opinions is removed.

OH I was thinking in terms of 70's fashion bell bottom jeans and paisley shirts, well deserved censorship IMO.

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Reply #27 - Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 11:50am

AusGeoff wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 9:16am:

In a temperature record stretching back into the late 19th century,
the ten hottest years have all occurred since 2010.

Well firstly there was little data for most of the earth in the 19th Century. Secondly, According to Prof. Phil Jones, CRU, most of the normals for the southern oceans were mostly made up until the Argo buoys. And even now despite what the dots show of the Argo's deployed, there is very little ocean coverage. 3,000 Argo buoys to cover 60S to 60N leaves a lot of ocean not represented each time readings are taken.And the oceans cover 80% of the earth. What does that tell you about the quality of the data?

"Sample size was another problem. A single observation station in the entire Southern hemisphere reported data in the first three years of the HadCRUT4 record and only nine were reporting by 1859. "

https://researchonline.jcu.edu.au/52041/1/52041-mclean-2017-thesis.pdf

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Reply #28 - Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 1:42pm

AusGeoff wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 9:24am:

Frank wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 7:54pm:

The only point in any debate is to demolish your opponent's premises...

Nope, the only point is to prove your own.

If you do that, then the debate is won by you—and with less mental effort.

EG: Thousands of people claim the Earth is flat, and they have
truckloads of "evidence" proving that (or so they mistakenly think).

It's virtually impossible to disprove their claims without a lot of
laborious intellectual effort, but it's far, far easier to prove my
claim that the Earth is an oblate spheroid.

Arguments about geography are about facts. The planet Earth is experimentally demonstrable to be spherical. Opinions and premises of opinions do not come into it.
Arguments about politics, values, opinions, perceptions, on the other hand, are not experimentally demonstrable but stand on value judgements and unexamined assumptions not shared by the opposing parties

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