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Re: Conspiracy theorists
Reply #15 - Mar 27th, 2024 at 7:12pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Mar 27th, 2024 at 6:51pm:
it_is_the_light wrote on Mar 27th, 2024 at 5:22pm:
aquascoot wrote on Mar 27th, 2024 at 5:12pm:
light


cant you see how this works

take covid for example

sensible people point out that a vaccine usually takes 10 years to produce
this one came out in 1
senseible people point out that no sector has paid bigger fines for fraud then big pharma
sensible people point out that if a drug is cheap and effective, big pharma will bury it as its bad for profit

if we run these argmenents, we get the public onside


but then, from out of nowhere, people start saying bill gates put a tracker in the vaccine

now the public say

"well these conspiracy nut jobs are CRAZY, better go get my vaccine"

my point is

tone it down, if you arent a bot

now, if i was pfizer and i wanted to sell a lot of vaccine, i would pay 100,000 fake accounts to go on about "bill gates put a tracker in the vaccine" because they can then call EVERYTHING a conspiracy theory.


Aqua ,

I realise my views , from voluminous research

conflict with your interpretation of reality .

This is ok and cool and I'm ok with that .

I do not need your permission or approval to post what I like .

And so question 1 .

Are you vaccinated ?


yeah

the vaccine never scared me
neither did the disease

the rediculous way that society allowed itself to be manipulated by lying authority figures?
that wasnt so much scarey as disgraceful  Cry Cry Cry


So you did get vaxed ? Just need to clarify

your situation here .. and how conspiracy theorists

were correct.. my fault ? Nope
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Re: Conspiracy theorists
Reply #16 - Mar 27th, 2024 at 7:14pm
 
Carl D wrote on Mar 27th, 2024 at 7:04pm:
it_is_the_light wrote on Mar 27th, 2024 at 4:47pm:
I have a long record of being correct on every issue for

10 years or so on this board , also occasional

humble Meme Lord


Here, let me fix that for you:

"I have a long record of being corrected on every issue for 10 years or so on this board"

You're welcome.  Smiley

Oh, and after 10 years I thought you may have finally gotten the hint but obviously you haven't, especially after your "grand performance" in the Bridge Down thread today.



The bridge went down , major shenanigans

Sheep bleat and never ask questions 🤷‍♂️
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Reply #17 - Mar 27th, 2024 at 7:16pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 27th, 2024 at 7:08pm:
aquascoot wrote on Mar 27th, 2024 at 5:12pm:
light


cant you see how this works

take covid for example

sensible people point out that a vaccine usually takes 10 years to produce
this one came out in 1

senseible people point out that no sector has paid bigger fines for fraud then big pharma
sensible people point out that if a drug is cheap and effective, big pharma will bury it as its bad for profit

if we run these argmenents, we get the public onside


but then, from out of nowhere, people start saying bill gates put a tracker in the vaccine

now the public say

"well these conspiracy nut jobs are CRAZY, better go get my vaccine"

my point is

tone it down, if you arent a bot

now, if i was pfizer and i wanted to sell a lot of vaccine, i would pay 100,000 fake accounts to go on about "bill gates put a tracker in the vaccine" because they can then call EVERYTHING a conspiracy theory.



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.........  sensible people point out that a vaccine usually takes 10 years to produce this one came out in 1      .............




Regards the 10 years to get clearance. That is reasonable correct under normal circumstances.

Usually any new medicine has to have funds raised for a stage 1 trial. If that trial is runs well then funds are raised for a stage 2 trial.
If that is all ok funds are raised for stage 3 trial.
The time taken is the time to raise funds. It is a high risk area.
With a pandemic growing and killing people, Govts asked the big pharma companies how much they needed to run all 3 trial consecutively.
Govts gave companies these funds and it went ahead immediately.
The World did not have 10 years to wait.
We have got through a pandemic within 5 years.
We did very well indeed.

'Sensible people' may say all sorts of stuff.
People who know much about specific fields may say otherwise.
You would not ask a mechanic about your heart palpitations.
You would not ask a janitor about your new cars service.
Ask people who know about vaccinations any questions about vaccinations.


What are the ingredients in the MRNA vaccine?
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Re: Conspiracy theorists
Reply #18 - Mar 27th, 2024 at 7:29pm
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Mar 27th, 2024 at 7:16pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 27th, 2024 at 7:08pm:
aquascoot wrote on Mar 27th, 2024 at 5:12pm:
light


cant you see how this works

take covid for example

sensible people point out that a vaccine usually takes 10 years to produce
this one came out in 1

senseible people point out that no sector has paid bigger fines for fraud then big pharma
sensible people point out that if a drug is cheap and effective, big pharma will bury it as its bad for profit

if we run these argmenents, we get the public onside


but then, from out of nowhere, people start saying bill gates put a tracker in the vaccine

now the public say

"well these conspiracy nut jobs are CRAZY, better go get my vaccine"

my point is

tone it down, if you arent a bot

now, if i was pfizer and i wanted to sell a lot of vaccine, i would pay 100,000 fake accounts to go on about "bill gates put a tracker in the vaccine" because they can then call EVERYTHING a conspiracy theory.



Quote:
.........  sensible people point out that a vaccine usually takes 10 years to produce this one came out in 1      .............




Regards the 10 years to get clearance. That is reasonable correct under normal circumstances.

Usually any new medicine has to have funds raised for a stage 1 trial. If that trial is runs well then funds are raised for a stage 2 trial.
If that is all ok funds are raised for stage 3 trial.
The time taken is the time to raise funds. It is a high risk area.
With a pandemic growing and killing people, Govts asked the big pharma companies how much they needed to run all 3 trial consecutively.
Govts gave companies these funds and it went ahead immediately.
The World did not have 10 years to wait.
We have got through a pandemic within 5 years.
We did very well indeed.

'Sensible people' may say all sorts of stuff.
People who know much about specific fields may say otherwise.
You would not ask a mechanic about your heart palpitations.
You would not ask a janitor about your new cars service.
Ask people who know about vaccinations any questions about vaccinations.


What are the ingredients in the MRNA vaccine?


1 1/2 oz (3 parts) Vodka, 1/2 oz (1 part) Galliano, 3 oz (6 parts) Fresh orange juice.
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Reply #19 - Mar 28th, 2024 at 2:37pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Mar 27th, 2024 at 3:29pm:
if i was running the deep state  and doing a few shady things (killing JFK, or profiting from a global pandemic , profiting from renewables) 

then i would get a bunch of bots to endlessly post insane conspiracy theories
9/11
fake moon landings
flouride in the water
chemtrails
baltimore bridge collpase

because it would give ALL conspiracy theories a bad name

could "the light be a bot " aimed to cry wolf so often that the real evil can slip through


yes, i believe  jfk was murdered, covid had a lot of shady cover ups and climate change is not as bad as they would have you believe, epstein had conncetions with the intelligence community


no, i dont believe any one faked the moon landings, rigged the twin towers with explosives, is attacking people with 5G or blew up a baltimore bridge, or lady di was murdered or the earth is flat

i think the conspiracy theorists are harming the cause for the real conspiracies and are probably government run affiliates and bots

is that another conspiracy ?



Aqua there is no conspiracy theory about big chemical & fertilizer Industry companies selling govts and local govts contaminated toxic waste products to put into public water supplies in the guise of dental health initiative to reduce dental caries.

It's is a fact. 

The oral ingestion of fluoridated water does nothing to prevent tooth decay.

The only way fluoride is affective is when it is topically applied by a dentist with a pharmaceutical grade sodium fluoride liquid.

Which they get you to spit out and rinse and not swallow it.

The conspiracy is with the pro-fluoride lobby who are on the receiving end of backhanders that allow these companies to use public water supplies and through human beings then city sewage treatment work to dump their toxic waste ...... which they are not allowed to dump into the environment via other methods.

Fluoridation & it's purported benefits is one of the biggest scientific frauds the globe has seen.

It's mass public medication by unqualified people(Councils & their workers) without consent.

The shyte they dump into public water supplies comes from the Aluminium & Fertilizer Industries(mostly from China) which is  Hexafluorosilicic acid.

It's used in water fluoridation,   hardening cement and ceramics, as a wood preservative.

It is also contaminated with, lead, zinc, arsenic, cadmium and mercury.

You want to take fluoride ... go ahead you can buy tablets ... at least they are a pure pharmaceutical grade.

It should never be in public water supplies.

Anyone who has complained about covid vaccination mandates and drinks town/city water that is fluoridated is a complete hypocritical idiot.

Rant over.
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Reply #20 - Mar 28th, 2024 at 2:44pm
 
Gnads wrote on Mar 28th, 2024 at 2:37pm:
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The oral ingestion of fluoridated water does nothing to prevent tooth decay.

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Incorrect.

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Reply #21 - Mar 28th, 2024 at 2:57pm
 
"Beginning in the early 20th century, scientists linked high levels of naturally occurring fluoride in certain community water supplies to low levels of tooth decay. In 1945, Grand Rapids, Michigan, became the first community in the world to add fluoride to tap water. When subsequent studies showed a significantly lower rate of cavities in schoolchildren, water fluoridation spread to other towns and cities. U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention named community water fluoridation one of the 10 great public health achievements of the 20th century.

But many experts now question the scientific basis for the intervention. In June 2015, the Cochrane Collaboration—a global independent network of researchers and health care professionals known for rigorous scientific reviews of public health policies—published an analysis of 20 key studies on water fluoridation. They found that while water fluoridation is effective at reducing tooth decay among children, “no studies that aimed to determine the effectiveness of water fluoridation for preventing caries [cavities] in adults met the review’s inclusion criteria.” *

The Cochrane report also concluded that early scientific investigations on water fluoridation (most were conducted before 1975) were deeply flawed. “We had concerns about the methods used, or the reporting of the results, in … 97 percent of the studies,” the authors noted. One problem: The early studies didn’t take into account the subsequent widespread use of fluoride-containing toothpastes and other dental fluoride supplements, which also prevent cavities. This may explain why countries that do not fluoridate their water have also seen big drops in cavity rates (see chart)."
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Reply #22 - Mar 28th, 2024 at 3:01pm
 

Fluoride helps to rebuild and strengthen the tooth’s surface, or enamel. Water fluoridation prevents tooth decay by providing frequent and consistent contact with low levels of fluoride. By keeping the tooth strong and solid, fluoride stops cavities from forming and can even rebuild the tooth’s surface.

Community water fluoridation is the process of adjusting the amount of fluoride in drinking water to a level recommended for preventing tooth decay.

Although other fluoride-containing products, such as toothpaste, mouth rinses, and dietary supplements are available and contribute to the prevention and control of tooth decay, community water fluoridation has been identified as the most cost-effective method of delivering fluoride to all, reducing tooth decay by 25% in children and adults.
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(*1) Griffin SO, Regnier E, Griffin PM, Huntley VN. Effectiveness of fluoride in preventing caries in adults. J Dent Res. 2007;86(5):410–414.


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Reply #23 - Mar 28th, 2024 at 3:18pm
 
Gnads wrote on Mar 28th, 2024 at 2:37pm:
aquascoot wrote on Mar 27th, 2024 at 3:29pm:
if i was running the deep state  and doing a few shady things (killing JFK, or profiting from a global pandemic , profiting from renewables) 

then i would get a bunch of bots to endlessly post insane conspiracy theories
9/11
fake moon landings
flouride in the water
chemtrails
baltimore bridge collpase

because it would give ALL conspiracy theories a bad name

could "the light be a bot " aimed to cry wolf so often that the real evil can slip through


yes, i believe  jfk was murdered, covid had a lot of shady cover ups and climate change is not as bad as they would have you believe, epstein had conncetions with the intelligence community


no, i dont believe any one faked the moon landings, rigged the twin towers with explosives, is attacking people with 5G or blew up a baltimore bridge, or lady di was murdered or the earth is flat

i think the conspiracy theorists are harming the cause for the real conspiracies and are probably government run affiliates and bots

is that another conspiracy ?



Aqua there is no conspiracy theory about big chemical & fertilizer Industry companies selling govts and local govts contaminated toxic waste products to put into public water supplies in the guise of dental health initiative to reduce dental caries.

It's is a fact. 

The oral ingestion of fluoridated water does nothing to prevent tooth decay.

The only way fluoride is affective is when it is topically applied by a dentist with a pharmaceutical grade sodium fluoride liquid.

Which they get you to spit out and rinse and not swallow it.

The conspiracy is with the pro-fluoride lobby who are on the receiving end of backhanders that allow these companies to use public water supplies and through human beings then city sewage treatment work to dump their toxic waste ...... which they are not allowed to dump into the environment via other methods.

Fluoridation & it's purported benefits is one of the biggest scientific frauds the globe has seen.

It's mass public medication by unqualified people(Councils & their workers) without consent.

The shyte they dump into public water supplies comes from the Aluminium & Fertilizer Industries(mostly from China) which is  Hexafluorosilicic acid.

It's used in water fluoridation,   hardening cement and ceramics, as a wood preservative.

It is also contaminated with, lead, zinc, arsenic, cadmium and mercury.

You want to take fluoride ... go ahead you can buy tablets ... at least they are a pure pharmaceutical grade.

It should never be in public water supplies.

Anyone who has complained about covid vaccination mandates and drinks town/city water that is fluoridated is a complete hypocritical idiot.

Rant over.



interesting,  worthy of further research

i know margarine was originally going to be used as a heavy industry lubricant until they discovered they could bad mouth butter and sell it to humans (so your case is not without prescedent)

i also note the corrupt american food authority recommends kelloggs frosty flakes as a better breakfast option to kids over eggs

so there are flagrant lies told to the public re what goes in their mouth

but i feel the public are generally complicit

they want to be told big macs are healthy and tuna may have mercury in it Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #24 - Mar 28th, 2024 at 3:19pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28th, 2024 at 3:01pm:
Fluoride helps to rebuild and strengthen the tooth’s surface, or enamel. Water fluoridation prevents tooth decay by providing frequent and consistent contact with low levels of fluoride. By keeping the tooth strong and solid, fluoride stops cavities from forming and can even rebuild the tooth’s surface.

Community water fluoridation is the process of adjusting the amount of fluoride in drinking water to a level recommended for preventing tooth decay.

Although other fluoride-containing products, such as toothpaste, mouth rinses, and dietary supplements are available and contribute to the prevention and control of tooth decay, community water fluoridation has been identified as the most cost-effective method of delivering fluoride to all, reducing tooth decay by 25% in children and adults.
(*1)


(*1) Griffin SO, Regnier E, Griffin PM, Huntley VN. Effectiveness of fluoride in preventing caries in adults. J Dent Res. 2007;86(5):410–414.




Sodium fluoride or Calcium Fluoride ?
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Reply #25 - Mar 28th, 2024 at 3:20pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Mar 28th, 2024 at 3:18pm:
Gnads wrote on Mar 28th, 2024 at 2:37pm:
aquascoot wrote on Mar 27th, 2024 at 3:29pm:
if i was running the deep state  and doing a few shady things (killing JFK, or profiting from a global pandemic , profiting from renewables) 

then i would get a bunch of bots to endlessly post insane conspiracy theories
9/11
fake moon landings
flouride in the water
chemtrails
baltimore bridge collpase

because it would give ALL conspiracy theories a bad name

could "the light be a bot " aimed to cry wolf so often that the real evil can slip through


yes, i believe  jfk was murdered, covid had a lot of shady cover ups and climate change is not as bad as they would have you believe, epstein had conncetions with the intelligence community


no, i dont believe any one faked the moon landings, rigged the twin towers with explosives, is attacking people with 5G or blew up a baltimore bridge, or lady di was murdered or the earth is flat

i think the conspiracy theorists are harming the cause for the real conspiracies and are probably government run affiliates and bots

is that another conspiracy ?



Aqua there is no conspiracy theory about big chemical & fertilizer Industry companies selling govts and local govts contaminated toxic waste products to put into public water supplies in the guise of dental health initiative to reduce dental caries.

It's is a fact. 

The oral ingestion of fluoridated water does nothing to prevent tooth decay.

The only way fluoride is affective is when it is topically applied by a dentist with a pharmaceutical grade sodium fluoride liquid.

Which they get you to spit out and rinse and not swallow it.

The conspiracy is with the pro-fluoride lobby who are on the receiving end of backhanders that allow these companies to use public water supplies and through human beings then city sewage treatment work to dump their toxic waste ...... which they are not allowed to dump into the environment via other methods.

Fluoridation & it's purported benefits is one of the biggest scientific frauds the globe has seen.

It's mass public medication by unqualified people(Councils & their workers) without consent.

The shyte they dump into public water supplies comes from the Aluminium & Fertilizer Industries(mostly from China) which is  Hexafluorosilicic acid.

It's used in water fluoridation,   hardening cement and ceramics, as a wood preservative.

It is also contaminated with, lead, zinc, arsenic, cadmium and mercury.

You want to take fluoride ... go ahead you can buy tablets ... at least they are a pure pharmaceutical grade.

It should never be in public water supplies.

Anyone who has complained about covid vaccination mandates and drinks town/city water that is fluoridated is a complete hypocritical idiot.

Rant over.



interesting,  worthy of further research

i know margarine was originally going to be used as a heavy industry lubricant until they discovered they could bad mouth butter and sell it to humans (so your case is not without prescedent)

i also note the corrupt american food authority recommends kelloggs frosty flakes as a better breakfast option to kids over eggs

so there are flagrant lies told to the public re what goes in their mouth

but i feel the public are generally complicit

they want to be told big macs are healthy and tuna may have mercury in it Grin Grin Grin


Sodium fluoride is more toxic than lead ..

do you even research ?
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Reply #26 - Mar 28th, 2024 at 3:47pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28th, 2024 at 3:01pm:
(*1) Griffin SO, Regnier E, Griffin PM, Huntley VN. Effectiveness of fluoride in preventing caries in adults. J Dent Res. 2007;86(5):410–414.


So a 2015 study found  that " “no studies that aimed to determine the effectiveness of water fluoridation for preventing caries [cavities] in adults met the review’s inclusion criteria.”

But 2007 was different. Wink
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Reply #27 - Mar 28th, 2024 at 4:10pm
 
Conspiracy theories usually arise from a lack of information by the Government or it's agencies....Or batshit crazy nutters who make up complete bullshit about every major event....Footage of the Pentagon on 9/11 was withheld from the public, Why....People then provide answers to the why with all sorts of conspiracy theories....I do not know why but I know something is not right with some things....Those who claim to have the answer usually blame their enemies without evidence???

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Concern about AGW means you want billions of people to be killed—current CT on Twitter.
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Reply #29 - Mar 28th, 2024 at 5:12pm
 
Extract from a timely article on this very issue:

"Understanding what drives people into conspiracist thinking has inspired a number of scientific investigations. There’s one feature of the human brain that appears to bear quite a lot of the responsibility – the problem is, it’s also something we couldn’t manage without.

The brain is primed to look for patterns. As humans have evolved, this has proven extremely useful. It’s handy, for example, to learn that the color red often equals “danger”. It's less handy to take the leap from, "Hmm, we appeared to have misplaced some ships," to, "It must be an eldritch triangle of ocean gobbling up vessels like there's no tomorrow!"

“Our brain is constantly trying to make sense of the outside world. One way the brain accomplishes this goal is by detecting and learning patterns, which are essentially statistical regularities in the environment, because these patterns help the brain decide how to react or behave in order to survive,” Dr Jess Taubert, an associate professor in the School of Psychology at the University of Queensland, previously told IFLScience.

The issues start to arise when this pattern-recognizing power goes into overdrive, joining dots in random data and adding two and two to make five. This concept is called illusory perception.

A 2017 study published in the European Journal of Social Psychology explored this further. The scientists took groups of up to 401 people through five experiments designed to test the relationship between conspiracist thinking and illusory pattern perception.

One thing that came out of the study was a link between belief in some common conspiracies – including ones around climate change, the moon landing, and the assassination of JFK –  and seeing a pattern in a series of random coin tosses. Those inclined towards a more conspiratorial way of thinking were also more likely to find patterns in chaotic artwork, like Jackson Pollock’s splatter paintings.

The researchers also explored a common observation in conspiracy spaces, that belief in one irrational theory is often indicative of belief in other, unrelated theories. If you can accept the idea that Barack Obama is a lizard in a human suit, it’s really just a short hop and a skip to believing that the US government had advance notice of 9/11.

“[A]cceptance of a conspiracy theory implies an increase in the extent to which people perceive patterns in world events, as reflected in the belief that instead of being a coincidence, many events that happen in the world are somehow causally related,” the authors posited.

To test this, they asked participants to read either a pro-conspiracy or anti-conspiracy article, before asking questions to assess their perception of a pattern in world events, finding that a correlation was present in those who’d been exposed to the conspiracy theory.

To summarize the findings of the study, the authors wrote, “We conclude that illusory pattern perception is a central cognitive ingredient of beliefs in conspiracy theories and supernatural phenomena.”

In the wake of conspiracy theories around the COVID-19 pandemic, this research became all the more timely, and subsequent studies have built on the ideas explored here.

One from the height of the pandemic in 2020 supported the importance of illusory perception and also touched on the idea of confirmation bias.

“[Conspiracy theory] believers may find it hard to believe that a virus could originate randomly from the natural world because it does not fit with their preconceived view that events have a reason and usually a human or government influence behind it,” the authors explained.

The role of personality

Another key factor that has come to the fore in psychology studies of conspiracy beliefs is the role of personality.

Narcissism – the belief in one’s own superiority over others – has been found to be among the best psychological indicators of a predisposition toward believing in conspiracies. A 2022 study outlined three features of narcissistic personalities that seem to underpin this: agentic extraversion (which covers traits like assertiveness, self-confidence, and reward-seeking); antagonism; and neuroticism.

In a nutshell, narcissistic people will more readily believe that others are “out to get them”, meaning that conspiracies about sinister government plots or shady cabals controlling the media narrative fit right into their way of thinking.

Narcissists are also driven by a need to feel unique and special, something that research has also identified as a predictor of conspiratorial thinking.

Others may be drawn to conspiracies out of a desire to “watch the world burn” – basically, some people simply thrive on chaos.

Still, more research has suggested a link between increased anger and belief in conspiracies, though it was not possible to say whether anger was a cause or consequence of believing irrational things.

And some people may be initially drawn to conspiracies because they find them fun. I mean, there’s no denying that there’s a certain amount of entertainment to be derived from discussing the most outlandish of beliefs about our world, whether or not you actually see truth in them. You did click on this article, after all…

"iflscience.com/the-brains-of-conspiracy-theorists-really-are-different-heres-ho
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