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Re: NT Lawfare
Reply #90 - Jun 18th, 2024 at 10:16pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 18th, 2024 at 7:10pm:
ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 18th, 2024 at 7:23am:
Thanks Grap.

Is it fair to summarise that as the following,

You believe that Lawfare refers to the use of legal systems and principles by wealthier any parties to overpower less financially equipped opponents in some circumstances,
to create a deterrent to opposing some issue by demonstrating a serious cost in doing so given the unbalance in funding
,
with the unbalanced outcomes that this creates
often leading to conflicts and misinterpretations, particularly in land claims.
It is used as a tactic and part of a strategy to gain control over what is demanded, and is, in essence, a form of bullying, ESPECIALLY when one 'side' has the backing and full financial support of a government body with unlimited funds compared to any opposition.
  It
can
exploits the judiciary's and law's weaknesses
and/or vagueness
, causes unresolved and ongoing disputes
by failing to provide a satisfactory resolution suitable to all stakeholders
and you've highlighted native title as one that matters to you
and at least 61% of the Australian populace.
.

Recent clarifications have distinguished native title from absolute ownership, reducing conflicts and enabling progress towards fair land distribution for native claimants.

Is that an accurate summation?


No.  Corrected for you partially without going into a book for you.  Not as simple as you'd like to see it. 


As someone who tends to write a dissertation every frigging time I reply, I appreciate the clarification, without the book Smiley
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Reply #91 - Jun 19th, 2024 at 6:04am
 
ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 18th, 2024 at 10:16pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 18th, 2024 at 7:10pm:
ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 18th, 2024 at 7:23am:
Thanks Grap.

Is it fair to summarise that as the following,

You believe that Lawfare refers to the use of legal systems and principles by wealthier any parties to overpower less financially equipped opponents in some circumstances,
to create a deterrent to opposing some issue by demonstrating a serious cost in doing so given the unbalance in funding
,
with the unbalanced outcomes that this creates
often leading to conflicts and misinterpretations, particularly in land claims.
It is used as a tactic and part of a strategy to gain control over what is demanded, and is, in essence, a form of bullying, ESPECIALLY when one 'side' has the backing and full financial support of a government body with unlimited funds compared to any opposition.
  It
can
exploits the judiciary's and law's weaknesses
and/or vagueness
, causes unresolved and ongoing disputes
by failing to provide a satisfactory resolution suitable to all stakeholders
and you've highlighted native title as one that matters to you
and at least 61% of the Australian populace.
.

Recent clarifications have distinguished native title from absolute ownership, reducing conflicts and enabling progress towards fair land distribution for native claimants.

Is that an accurate summation?


No.  Corrected for you partially without going into a book for you.  Not as simple as you'd like to see it. 


As someone who tends to write a dissertation every frigging time I reply, I appreciate the clarification, without the book Smiley


The price of liberty is eternal sibilance, as Joe Biden ssssays while wandering off... one learns to be careful to give explanatory notes with everything because lesser kinds start picking at every word, trying to play 'gotcha' and trying to make out things were said that never were.  If every idjit would just keep up in class and actually come prepared with a bag of facts instead of rhetoric, it would be a lot easier.

Do you know how many times one has to say a simple thing to the next idjit who comes along when you just said it three days ago?

Training idjits is not easy work.

How many words have been used just to get it into your thick skulls what lawfare is and how it works and what it covers?  Every demand for special privilege is lawfare when it is done through pursuit of an unfair advantage and using public funds that are denied to any other view - abuse pure and simple and cause of never-ending warfare by other means and often by 'kinetic' means like spear waving and jumping up and down and camping on parliament lawns and smashing things and setting fires, and so forth.

The law has not been quite dead - but it's sure been asleep for a while.  Every single one of those 'departments' and 'tribunals' are set up to view  things one way.  Go visit one and see for yourself.  Take you blonde Scandi missus in to make a complaint and see the quizzical looks.... who gets instant hearing in 'Aboriginal blah-blah' departments'?  Who gets right in with 'national parks' etc?  Gunfried Gutterson vantink do glimb dis national park?
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Reply #92 - Jun 24th, 2024 at 3:15pm
 
Usiness as Busual:-

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/barkly-councillors-in-northern-territor...

"arkly councillors in Northern Territory dismissed pending new elections
Conflicts of interest, manipulation, sabotage, and gaping operational deficiencies. All outlined in a report about the management of an outback council in the Northern Territory with a population of fewer than 7,400 people and roughly the size of Norway. The report includes damning findings against the Barkly council's former chief executive and all of the councillors have been dismissed, pending new elections."
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Reply #93 - Jun 24th, 2024 at 4:22pm
 
Show Me The Money!!

https://www.msn.com/en-au/money/markets/pilbara-traditional-owners-call-for-inqu...

"Pilbara traditional owners call for inquiry into Andrew Forrest's Solomon Hub over environmental, cultural concerns

Traditional owners in Western Australia's Pilbara have called for a state government inquiry into Fortescue Metal Group's (FMG) Solomon Hub iron ore mine over cultural and environmental concerns.

It is the latest battle in the ongoing dispute between the Pilbara's Yindjibarndi Ngurra Aboriginal Corporation (YNAC) and Andrew Forrest's FMG.

Solomon Hub, which was given state environmental approvals in 2011, operates "without adequate protection of cultural heritage" according to YNAC, which holds exclusive native title rights over the area.

Yindjibarndi man and YNAC chief executive Michael Woodley said Solomon Hub had been a "source of ongoing hurt and distress".

"Our community not only endures poor environmental and cultural management … but our native title rights and interests have also been disrespected," he said.

Plea to environment minister
Solomon Hub was the focus of a long-running native title dispute between YNAC and FMG, with the Federal Court awarding YNAC exclusive native title in 2017.

A compensation agreement between YNAC and FMG is yet to be struck, with the Yindjibarndi seeking upwards of $500 million from Fortescue due to the "economic and cultural loss" caused by mining at the lucrative Solomon Hub operation.

In recent months the corporation made a submission to WA Environment Minister Reece Whitby urging him to authorise an inquiry by the Environmental Protection Authority under section 46 of the Environmental Protection Act 1986, and to add conditions to the 2011 ministerial consent provided to Fortescue:

S46 (1) If the Minister considers that the implementation conditions relating to an approved proposal, or any of them, should be amended (whether because of an amendment to the proposal approved under section 45C or for any other reason), the Minister may request the Authority to inquire into and report on the matter.

Mr Woodley said under Solomon Hub's current conditions it had "officially" destroyed or damaged 249 Yindjibarndi heritage sites, and has previously voiced concerns that 5,000 sacred sites at Solomon were at risk.

He believed conditions placed upon Solomon were "much weaker" than more recent ministerial approvals including Fortescue's Eliwana iron ore mine and the Sanjiv Ridge project operated by Gina Rinehart's Atlas Iron.

"[We want] consistency … in terms of how [the state government] reviews the environmental impact and also the heritage impact to our country, as they have been doing with other neighbouring groups," Mr Woodley said."

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Reply #94 - Jun 30th, 2024 at 3:20pm
 
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Reply #95 - Jun 30th, 2024 at 4:04pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 30th, 2024 at 3:20pm:


A tragedy and it's good to see him facing consequences for his actions.  It won't bring back the victim but at least he'll be off the streets.

However, this is not lawfare or the voice by stealth.

Caught lying again champ...
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Reply #96 - Jun 30th, 2024 at 4:58pm
 
Oh - just background... not a lie in it... lawfare is trying to get separate laws.... this is one clear reason not to, so has merit, chum .... he won't get away with a slap over the wrist with a damp taro leaf or something... with a bit of luck he might die in custody.... you may consider for yourself if such luck is good or bad... I simply cite 'luck' and leave it in the lap of the gods ... the snakes.. the brolgas... the frogs... whoever ........ slick ....

You'll grow into it one day, son, this understanding of reality .... tiger....

so easy ....    Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin

P.S.  When the great change comes - which do ya reckon for him? Aborassic Park under the Elders or Gondwanamo Bay in iso?  Maybe the Reverse Boat People Program and banishment from the realm.... pack yer bags..... sound good, champ?
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Re: NT Lawfare
Reply #97 - Jul 4th, 2024 at 12:19pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 30th, 2024 at 4:58pm:
Oh - just background... not a lie in it... lawfare is trying to get separate laws.... this is one clear reason not to, so has merit, chum .... he won't get away with a slap over the wrist with a damp taro leaf or something... with a bit of luck he might die in custody.... you may consider for yourself if such luck is good or bad... I simply cite 'luck' and leave it in the lap of the gods ... the snakes.. the brolgas... the frogs... whoever ........ slick ....

You'll grow into it one day, son, this understanding of reality .... tiger....

so easy ....    Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin

P.S.  When the great change comes - which do ya reckon for him? Aborassic Park under the Elders or Gondwanamo Bay in iso?  Maybe the Reverse Boat People Program and banishment from the realm.... pack yer bags..... sound good, champ?


Right, so a criminal sentenced to life in prison for murder (with a minimum non-parole of 20 years), is an example of Lawfare used to implement an Indigenous advisory body enshrined in the constitution that will provide advice to parliament on matters that will impact Indigenous Australians.

Or is it the victim's mother Samara Laverty who is now advocating for criminal law reform following her son's tragic death?  Is she trying to implement an Indigenous advisory body enshrined in the constitution that will provide advice to parliament on matters that will impact Indigenous Australians via Lawfare, by stealth?

Or are you just lying again, princess?
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Reply #98 - Jul 4th, 2024 at 12:33pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 24th, 2024 at 4:22pm:
Show Me The Money!!

https://www.msn.com/en-au/money/markets/pilbara-traditional-owners-call-for-inqu...

"Pilbara traditional owners call for inquiry into Andrew Forrest's Solomon Hub over environmental, cultural concerns

Traditional owners in Western Australia's Pilbara have called for a state government inquiry into Fortescue Metal Group's (FMG) Solomon Hub iron ore mine over cultural and environmental concerns.

It is the latest battle in the ongoing dispute between the Pilbara's Yindjibarndi Ngurra Aboriginal Corporation (YNAC) and Andrew Forrest's FMG.

Solomon Hub, which was given state environmental approvals in 2011, operates "without adequate protection of cultural heritage" according to YNAC, which holds exclusive native title rights over the area.

Yindjibarndi man and YNAC chief executive Michael Woodley said Solomon Hub had been a "source of ongoing hurt and distress".

"Our community not only endures poor environmental and cultural management … but our native title rights and interests have also been disrespected," he said.

Plea to environment minister
Solomon Hub was the focus of a long-running native title dispute between YNAC and FMG, with the Federal Court awarding YNAC exclusive native title in 2017.

A compensation agreement between YNAC and FMG is yet to be struck, with the Yindjibarndi seeking upwards of $500 million from Fortescue due to the "economic and cultural loss" caused by mining at the lucrative Solomon Hub operation.

In recent months the corporation made a submission to WA Environment Minister Reece Whitby urging him to authorise an inquiry by the Environmental Protection Authority under section 46 of the Environmental Protection Act 1986, and to add conditions to the 2011 ministerial consent provided to Fortescue:

S46 (1) If the Minister considers that the implementation conditions relating to an approved proposal, or any of them, should be amended (whether because of an amendment to the proposal approved under section 45C or for any other reason), the Minister may request the Authority to inquire into and report on the matter.

Mr Woodley said under Solomon Hub's current conditions it had "officially" destroyed or damaged 249 Yindjibarndi heritage sites, and has previously voiced concerns that 5,000 sacred sites at Solomon were at risk.

He believed conditions placed upon Solomon were "much weaker" than more recent ministerial approvals including Fortescue's Eliwana iron ore mine and the Sanjiv Ridge project operated by Gina Rinehart's Atlas Iron.

"[We want] consistency … in terms of how [the state government] reviews the environmental impact and also the heritage impact to our country, as they have been doing with other neighbouring groups," Mr Woodley said."



5,000 sacred sites?  Grin

Never mind $500 million will remove the sacredness.  Roll Eyes
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Reply #99 - Jul 4th, 2024 at 12:43pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 30th, 2024 at 3:20pm:


The Judge after hearing all his previous form including previous stabbing attacks says it was just a serious assault gone terribly wrong... Shocked

you have to be kidding me?

The reporter called it a brief "knife fight" ..... it's not a knife fight unless both are armed with knives.

Declan Laverty didn't have a knife .. he was attacked and stabbed to death.

Throw the keys away.
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Reply #100 - Jul 5th, 2024 at 7:43pm
 
Another hit from the 16"/38s on Sacka ...

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/arrernte-man-william-tilmouth-fears-a-d...

Ol' Bro's upset about the stereotype - I agree he has a point but it's time for Elders like him to step up and tell it like it is...  we all know they're not all like that............................................................................
.... maybe 10% are worth saving ...................
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Reply #101 - Jul 5th, 2024 at 7:45pm
 
Gnads wrote on Jul 4th, 2024 at 12:43pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 30th, 2024 at 3:20pm:


The Judge after hearing all his previous form including previous stabbing attacks says it was just a serious assault gone terribly wrong... Shocked

you have to be kidding me?

The reporter called it a brief "knife fight" ..... it's not a knife fight unless both are armed with knives.

Declan Laverty didn't have a knife .. he was attacked and stabbed to death.

Throw the keys away.


You are right - 'knife fight' my arse ..... throw the keys away ... carrying and using a deadly weapon in pursuit of a crime and killing some unarmed innocent with it... that's life in my books... without parole and on the chain gang....
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Reply #102 - Jul 5th, 2024 at 7:51pm
 
Gnads wrote on Jul 4th, 2024 at 12:33pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 24th, 2024 at 4:22pm:
Show Me The Money!!

https://www.msn.com/en-au/money/markets/pilbara-traditional-owners-call-for-inqu...

"Pilbara traditional owners call for inquiry into Andrew Forrest's Solomon Hub over environmental, cultural concerns

Traditional owners in Western Australia's Pilbara have called for a state government inquiry into Fortescue Metal Group's (FMG) Solomon Hub iron ore mine over cultural and environmental concerns.

It is the latest battle in the ongoing dispute between the Pilbara's Yindjibarndi Ngurra Aboriginal Corporation (YNAC) and Andrew Forrest's FMG.

Solomon Hub, which was given state environmental approvals in 2011, operates "without adequate protection of cultural heritage" according to YNAC, which holds exclusive native title rights over the area.

Yindjibarndi man and YNAC chief executive Michael Woodley said Solomon Hub had been a "source of ongoing hurt and distress".

"Our community not only endures poor environmental and cultural management … but our native title rights and interests have also been disrespected," he said.

Plea to environment minister
Solomon Hub was the focus of a long-running native title dispute between YNAC and FMG, with the Federal Court awarding YNAC exclusive native title in 2017.

A compensation agreement between YNAC and FMG is yet to be struck, with the Yindjibarndi seeking upwards of $500 million from Fortescue due to the "economic and cultural loss" caused by mining at the lucrative Solomon Hub operation.

In recent months the corporation made a submission to WA Environment Minister Reece Whitby urging him to authorise an inquiry by the Environmental Protection Authority under section 46 of the Environmental Protection Act 1986, and to add conditions to the 2011 ministerial consent provided to Fortescue:

S46 (1) If the Minister considers that the implementation conditions relating to an approved proposal, or any of them, should be amended (whether because of an amendment to the proposal approved under section 45C or for any other reason), the Minister may request the Authority to inquire into and report on the matter.

Mr Woodley said under Solomon Hub's current conditions it had "officially" destroyed or damaged 249 Yindjibarndi heritage sites, and has previously voiced concerns that 5,000 sacred sites at Solomon were at risk.

He believed conditions placed upon Solomon were "much weaker" than more recent ministerial approvals including Fortescue's Eliwana iron ore mine and the Sanjiv Ridge project operated by Gina Rinehart's Atlas Iron.

"[We want] consistency … in terms of how [the state government] reviews the environmental impact and also the heritage impact to our country, as they have been doing with other neighbouring groups," Mr Woodley said."



5,000 sacred sites?  Grin

Never mind $500 million will remove the sacredness.  Roll Eyes 


I've got me sacred whale watching spots - I'll need a few million if those are closed off... sacred fishing spots.... sacred dog walking tracks .... I need a hound ......  Cool  ... $500m ahould do it... just... but the hurt would be generational....

That's how silly it is - Sacka wont come to the party over Fraser Island - won't go near it for fear of a thrashing..... clearly an Outside mob has no claim over the Island, they don't live there, and their ridiculous claims are that it's all 'sacred'... what a loads of cods - they might go there to fish.... they already have right to free range Open Range there and share usage with others....
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Re: NT Lawfare
Reply #103 - Jul 6th, 2024 at 5:41pm
 
ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 4th, 2024 at 12:19pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 30th, 2024 at 4:58pm:
Oh - just background... not a lie in it... lawfare is trying to get separate laws.... this is one clear reason not to, so has merit, chum .... he won't get away with a slap over the wrist with a damp taro leaf or something... with a bit of luck he might die in custody.... you may consider for yourself if such luck is good or bad... I simply cite 'luck' and leave it in the lap of the gods ... the snakes.. the brolgas... the frogs... whoever ........ slick ....

You'll grow into it one day, son, this understanding of reality .... tiger....

so easy ....    Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin

P.S.  When the great change comes - which do ya reckon for him? Aborassic Park under the Elders or Gondwanamo Bay in iso?  Maybe the Reverse Boat People Program and banishment from the realm.... pack yer bags..... sound good, champ?


Right, so a criminal sentenced to life in prison for murder (with a minimum non-parole of 20 years), is an example of Lawfare used to implement an Indigenous advisory body enshrined in the constitution that will provide advice to parliament on matters that will impact Indigenous Australians.

Or is it the victim's mother Samara Laverty who is now advocating for criminal law reform following her son's tragic death?  Is she trying to implement an Indigenous advisory body enshrined in the constitution that will provide advice to parliament on matters that will impact Indigenous Australians via Lawfare, by stealth?

Or are you just lying again, princess?


I guess we're just doing the "ignore him until he goes away" rather than addressing the elephant in the room.

(FYI, it's the constant lies you're posting about all these examples being evidence of the voice being implemented by stealth)

Perhaps we should start calling you Dumbo, Grap?

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Reply #104 - Jul 6th, 2024 at 5:50pm
 
It's a beautiful example of why there can be no special laws.....  ka-boom ...

You are becoming desperate...
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