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Reply #105 - Jul 6th, 2024 at 6:30pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jul 6th, 2024 at 5:50pm:
It's a beautiful example of why there can be no special laws.....  ka-boom ...

You are becoming desperate...


It shows democracy works.

It's a win.
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Reply #106 - Jul 6th, 2024 at 8:27pm
 
ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 6th, 2024 at 6:30pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jul 6th, 2024 at 5:50pm:
It's a beautiful example of why there can be no special laws.....  ka-boom ...

You are becoming desperate...


It shows democracy works.

It's a win.


One guarantee, and the price, of liberty is eternal vigilance.... better to point at wolves passing by than to wait for them to attack the village nursery...

You'll get there one day.....risk assessment .... you understand....
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Reply #107 - Jul 8th, 2024 at 3:52pm
 
**rattles cage**  That's what you get when you apply different rules as a matter of policy = lawfare to give one set supremacy and special rights.... where is the line of Elders and parents/responsible adults keeping them under control and guiding them into constructive things?  Must be tribal war there - hinted at in that cop blurb..... need another set of rules again... keep the country divided some more, eh?

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/police-lock-down-red-centre-again-after...

"Residents in Alice Springs will be subjected to another curfew following a series of violent assaults, a brawl involving 80 people and a knife attack.

Northern Territory Police issued a three-night public social disorder declaration on Monday for parts of the city from 10pm to 6am.

"The intent of this declaration is to disrupt the behaviours associated with the harm we're seeing in Alice Spring," Commissioner Michael Murphy told reporters.

"It applies to all classes of people - it will apply to adults and it will apply to youths."

Mr Murphy said a series of crimes across the weekend had contributed to the decision to impose the curfew.

These included a large-scale disturbance involving about 80 people in which police were assaulted, a knife attack, the robbery of a service station and the assault of four off-duty police officers on a public street.
The curfew will be imposed on the town centre between Anzac Hill, the Alice Springs Hospital, the Stuart Highway and Leichhardt Terrace, which runs along the Todd River.

"Anyone coming into the zone can be engaged by police and they can be asked to leave or alternatively they can be asked to stay if there is another disturbance for their own safety.," Mr Murphy said.

"A failure to abide in a request by police can lead to an offence and it can lead to an infringement notice or an arrest."

People with legitimate business in the area or those seeking safety will be permitted to enter the zone.

It comes as NAIDOC week celebrations kick off in the town, attracting visitors from across the NT.

Mr Murphy said police would not disturb the annual event and the curfew would help keep those celebrating it safe.

"I'm very aware it's a really important week for the Territory and Australia," he said.

"We all still have a policing presence, but only in the declared area."

The emergency declaration has been made using new laws passed by the Territory parliament in May that let the police commissioner impose a three-day curfew that can be extended to seven days if the police minister approves.

The curfew for all people follows a three-week curfew banning anyone under 18 from the town's centre between 6pm and 6am follow a series of wild brawls in March."
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Reply #108 - Jul 8th, 2024 at 4:07pm
 
"Lawfare" typically refers to the use of legal systems and principles to achieve a goal, often politically motivated, that would normally be accomplished through other means, such as military or direct action. It often involves the use of lawsuits, legal actions, or legal mechanisms to intimidate, burden, or financially deplete an opponent, or to achieve a particular political or strategic outcome.

The story you've posted describes a curfew imposed in Alice Springs following a series of violent incidents. This curfew is an emergency measure taken by the police to restore order and ensure public safety. It involves specific laws passed by the Northern Territory parliament, allowing the police commissioner to impose curfews during times of significant social disorder.

While this situation involves the use of legal authority and new laws to address public safety issues, it does not fall under the concept of "lawfare," as it is not about using legal means to achieve a broader political or strategic goal outside the immediate context of public safety and order.

And it's not an example of The Voice by stealth, but I think it's safe to assume that the aim of this thread has long left the station.  You've made it clear that not everything you post in here is meant to be an example of "lawfare" and you've failed to show any evidence of The Voice by stealth.

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Maybe it's time to ask the mods to change the thread title.

"Grap's Unhealthy obsession with an NT focus"
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Reply #109 - Jul 8th, 2024 at 4:18pm
 
'typically' - well - it's finally become an avenue for research here at Grappler U and a new and fuller set of definitions will be forthcoming when we are ready to publish...

'lawfare' applies whenever a government constitutes a body and gives that body power - and then orders that department to pursue a certain line using its legalised powers and its deep pockets to crush any opposition...  now why would any government say to national parks that they could close any national park and then declare it unused and then hand it over to special mates?  You'd be happy with that for a mining group?  You DO understand principle, don't you?

Think back on that Indian eye tester lady ..... what's right for one is right for others - it isn't a matter of 'Oh - here you get what you work for within the system and the Tent City Slickers are a by-product of no value anyway' - but back then - as a Settler - you had no such rights and the Humpy City Slickers were a Displaced and Dispossessed group.... as in WTF??...

It's a big issue - needing full review and study ... we're patient - and we listen to every idiot viewpoint...  clearly though - when someone even suggests that discussing one specific case in Toowoomba (arsehole of the universe Mk III) means I am discussing all cases - there is somedink not right in the brain off that Denmark.... that mothra .... such wild fantasies ....

Then you get people who take obsession with a passing comment in response to someone else's post - about some guy fading from a heart attack ..... and go on and on..... then you see those who obsess over their inability to see that the lawfare of closing off a national park icon and handing it over has relevance to lawfare since it shows clearly what a disaster it is in reality ... well - what can you say but re-open the asylums.

There's a room next to you for mothra and dividie and Lefty.... at least we would have one pre-emptive strike against some future Nazi Stalinists who want the country run their way or no way ..... get some of them insulated from the general community to restrict the harm they do.  Be a room there for Albo as well....   Cool
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Reply #110 - Aug 22nd, 2024 at 8:31am
 
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/indigenous-teens-at-garma-festival-yout...

That 'Garma Festival' still going on?  Who's paying for it?  We want a Calmer Festival.... they have 'abuses of  authority' up there in Arnhem Land?  Who'd 've thunk that?  You don't want the eddication - go for it... we long ago ceased to care out here in Realityland... I cannot tell a lie - them Aboriginal non-attendees are FORCED to not go to school - it's so tough!

"Young Indigenous people say they are fed up with abuses of power from those in authority, empty promises and a "traumatising", culturally insensitive education system.

The authors of a statement created earlier this month at the Garma Festival, held in north-east Arnhem Land in the Northern Territory, say it is time their voices were heard.

The document lists a broad range of issues, but the contributors who spoke to BTN High all identified the education system as a major point of concern.

"School's tough," Abby Duncan, 15, said.

"I think it's tough for everybody, but it's definitely tough in the Northern Territory, at my school in particular.

"Middle school is very rowdy — I've had conflicts with teachers, a lot of violence and stuff, and it can be quite traumatising for certain people."

Between 2019 and 2022 the national attendance rate for First Nations students dropped by 7 per cent.
In 2022 the attendance rate for Indigenous students in year 10 sat at 65 per cent.

The rate for non-Indigenous year 10 students was 84 per cent."


She's had conflicts with teachers?  - well - that must be the fault of the teachers and the system right?  Kids can think that way... then they grow up the same way and become 'activists' and 'true believers' and such ..... and impose their ideas on others while unconsciously continuing to live the downward path to The Nightmare and ending up the same as their forebears. 

FREEEEEDOOOM, innit?

'culturally insensitive' - translates - 'separate but equal' ...... thank you all for coming.... we'll call you if we need you ...
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Reply #111 - Aug 22nd, 2024 at 4:12pm
 
Been lookin' for this one... sniffing out government double-dealing - sheilas of course - they'll nay get the (actually despised by them) Aborigines by assimilatin' 'em - they'll poison the water... cunning, no?:-

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/foi-documents-show-eva-lawler-approved-...

"Last year, the Northern Territory's current chief minister approved a controversial water allocation plan with no water advisory committee, and against the wishes of traditional owners, while the environment minister was on holiday.

At the time of approval, the plan was condemned as the "worst water decision" in years, as it concluded that 210,000 megalitres — enough to fill roughly 100,000 Olympic-sized swimming pools — could be sustainably pumped from the groundwater every year

Now, a ministerial brief obtained under Freedom of Information (FOI) and shared with the ABC has revealed that the Georgina Wiso Water Allocation Plan – the largest in the NT's history – was pushed through by an acting minister, who took just two working days to consider it.

That minister was Eva Lawler, the Northern Territory's current chief minister.

"I believe that a window was seen and seized opportunistically to push through this water allocation," says Kirsty Howey, executive director of the Environment Centre NT.

The revelations follow this week's ABC's Four Corners, which looked into allegations of water licence mismanagement, cosy deals, silencing experts, and ignoring traditional owners to support the development of a lucrative cotton industry in the territory.

Ms Lawler, who was not chief minister at the time, was appointed acting NT environment minister on October 31, 2023.

A few days later, the ministerial brief, running almost 100 pages long and marked high priority, landed on her desk.

The report referenced concerns from environment groups over water mining for fracking in the Beetaloo Basin, and a letter from the powerful Northern and Central Land councils stating issues that needed to be resolved before they would support the plan.

It also revealed that concerns had been raised by environment organisations, traditional owners and community groups over the development of the plan without a water advisory committee.

Earlier in 2022, 18 water experts from universities across the country had written to the NT government expressing concern about the draft Georgina Wiso plan, describing it as "particularly poor and regressive".

Despite this, the document was signed by Ms Lawler within two days.

At a press conference on Tuesday, Ms Lawler defended her decision.

"Just to be clear, I was the environment minister, I think probably for three or four years, so have had lots of briefings, lots of understanding of the issues around water," she said.

She said the plan had "many many years" of work behind it, and reports don't "just arrive on a minister's desk".

"As an experienced minister, it is about getting your head across it, reading the detail and making a decision," she said.

Earlier, she told Four Corners she did not hurry the approval process.

"I don't think two days is a rush," she said.

"That gave me plenty of time, if I have a briefing, to be able to read a report and respond to that report."

The Georgina Wiso Water Allocation Plan is a legal framework that sets rules for managing the extraction and use of groundwater in a region that covers an area twice the size of Tasmania, from Daly Waters in the north to beyond Tennant Creek in the south.

Within this lies a significant portion of the Beetaloo Basin, where a controversial fracking industry has been given the green light to go ahead.

Ms Howey said the documents revealed "almost universal opposition" to the plan and a "compromised government".

"What it says to me is that we have got decision-makers in the Northern Territory who are willing to sacrifice not just our rivers and aquifers, but [also] sound decision-making and community views, in order to ensure that industry has the water that they need," she said.

Arid Lands Environment Centre chief executive Adrian Tomlinson said "the policies of successive governments have paved the way for massive amounts of water [to be] taken from aquifers", which he said threatened groundwater-dependent ecosystems, fishing and tourism.

“Whilst the spotlight placed on this scandal by Four Corners is certainly welcome, this is by far not the first time that both the NT and federal governments have been warned of these matters, including by communities themselves," he said.

Conservation groups, the Environment Centre NT and Arid Lands Environment Centre are now calling for a royal commission into water management and for the NT government to suspend new water licensing and water allocations in the Roper system."
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Reply #112 - Sep 10th, 2024 at 11:50am
 
Boil dat blood:-

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/group-of-first-nations-community-leader...

"A group of local residents from the Northern Territory’s Gulf region have travelled to Canberra to advocate for better water protections. They say they will be meeting with Senators and calling for a royal commission and funding to set up an Indigenous water governance body."

Part of the Voice Manifesto - control of water... 'land, water and resources' ... a minority wants to dictate how, when and why and where these things can be used.

This can never end well.  If you think the last Invasion was bad - wait for the next one.. the one of all the grifters and graspers of the world who've been living on a rupee a day or a Plaguistani drachma a week, and they arrive here and want to cut out a slice of the corpse of Australia as it fills to overflowing with people who do not share our moral values ..... the Tribal Conflict To End All Tribal Conflicts ...

This Can Never End Well.
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Reply #113 - Sep 10th, 2024 at 12:09pm
 
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/indigenous-residents-dismayed-jabiru-to...

Ride over 'em say the other tribe.  Aborigines United - way to make a treaty, eh?

Lift dat cotton and stew deir ass:-

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/incompetence-federal-government-shuts-down-...
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Reply #114 - Sep 20th, 2024 at 2:15pm
 
Here we go - more division ... this can never end well....

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/northern-territory-s-second-community-c...
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Reply #115 - Sep 26th, 2024 at 11:56am
 
My god - how the janga rolls on..... trying to pump up a dying created business:-

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/travel/news/ten-years-ago-i-visited-uluru-with-william...
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Reply #116 - Sep 26th, 2024 at 12:16pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Sep 26th, 2024 at 11:56am:
My god - how the janga rolls on..... trying to pump up a dying created business:-

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/travel/news/ten-years-ago-i-visited-uluru-with-william...


Again, not "Lawfare".

It is utterly inconceivable how this could provoke such a reaction from you. As with so many matters over which you appear unable to restrain your emotions and sense of victimhood, you feel compelled to weigh in on a story penned by a journalist that casts a positive light on something connected to Indigenous Australians, Uluru, in this instance.

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A decade ago, I joined a huge group of international journalists standing in the red dirt of the Australian Outback, craning our necks, pointing our cameras and sweating in the relentless heat. We were waiting for the then Duke and Duchess of Cambridge to appear.

So exactly 10 years after it first made an impression on me, I am back, this time with my family.

As we flew towards the sunburnt heart of Australia, I shared some facts with the kids about this “rock star”. It’s about 600 million years old and used to sit on the bottom of an ancient seabed. It’s the world’s largest single rock, taller than the Eiffel Tower and, like an iceberg, most of it is out of view underground.

What must surveyor William Gosse have thought when he stumbled across the landmark in 1873? He named it after the then chief secretary of South Australia, Sir Henry Ayers. In 1993, it was returned to the traditional Aboriginal name Uluru.

It is hard to describe how staggeringly beautiful Uluru is. Its colour constantly shifts as the sun sets, from rusty red to orange to crimson and all shades in between. Shadows slowly move across the rock until it is completely in darkness. When the sun, rises the colours reappear in reverse.


It is disconcerting how remarkably thin-skinned you are, that the mere mention of anything pertaining to Indigenous matters, something you actively seek out, no less, provokes such an emotional response.

Your behaviour has long ceased to be amusing; it is now simply melancholic. Were it not for the profoundly solitary and callous nature you exhibit, I might even extend pity to you. Yours must be a truly torturous existence.

It is hardly surprising that you perceive the world as hostile, interpreting every interaction, particularly those involving Indigenous Australians, as a personal affront.

Your continual tendency to insert yourself into these discussions, as though they are intentional attacks upon you, is deeply unhealthy and concerning.
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Reply #117 - Sep 26th, 2024 at 6:47pm
 
Anything generated from legislation or imposition by government body is a part of lawfare.  If it takes the use of law or changes to law to get it back, if it is generated by a statutory body, it is lawfare.  Get used to it, you big, bluff, internet bruiser, you.

Once you declare lawfare against your own people, the consequences are incalculable.

I knew I'd get you with that one - hook, line and sinker.... but you - as usual - miss the point - the ganja is required to be laid on thick because the 'business' set up for the Abos who excluded everyone else is failing due to lack of interest.

May it prosper fully into the ground and a new Awakening occur for OUR Ayers Rock.

You can smell the end of all this Aboriginal Supremacism nonsense coming now..... the people have had enough.

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Reply #118 - Sep 27th, 2024 at 11:28am
 
So the public holiday in Victoria today for the AFL grand final is Lawfare?

How many times are you going to have to redefine what lawfare is!?

You might as well just say "It's what ever I want it to be".

You did it for The Voice after all...
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Reply #119 - Sep 27th, 2024 at 12:03pm
 
Nothing redefined about it, kid - never been defined for you - just pointing out examples. Just accept that the entire voice by stealth campaign is lawfare, and you'll be OK.

Bloody Victorians....  your arguments are getting more ephemeral every day.
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