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Re: democratic peace
Reply #15 - Mar 21^st, 2024 at 6:28pm

chimera wrote on Mar 21^st, 2024 at 5:44pm:

'It caused the resignation of the French Defence Minister Charles Hernu, while the two agents pleaded guilty to manslaughter and were sentenced to ten years in prison. France was also forced to apologise and had to pay reparations to New Zealand'.

Pacific islands don't fight each other, Muslim states rarely do, or African dictatorships or Sth American banana boys. Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan were minding their own business when the Yanks gate crashed the joint. The big killers are the Europeans, the poms did fire-bombing of civilian cities and yanks did the nukes, praise the lord.

Iran Iraq war.

Iraq Kuwait war.

Muslims murdering each other all over the place.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_and_battles_involving_the_Islamic_S
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Reply #16 - Mar 21^st, 2024 at 6:29pm

Setanta wrote on Mar 21^st, 2024 at 5:04pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 21^st, 2024 at 4:27pm:

And the war between France and NZ?

Conflict is not necessarily war and you did ask for conflicts, not wars.
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Come on Set

the sinking of the Rainbow Warrior(which wasn't NZ vessel) in NZ is not a France vs NZ conflict/war.

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Reply #17 - Mar 21^st, 2024 at 6:41pm

chimera wrote on Mar 21^st, 2024 at 5:44pm:

'It caused the resignation of the French Defence Minister Charles Hernu, while the two agents pleaded guilty to manslaughter and were sentenced to ten years in prison. France was also forced to apologise and had to pay reparations to New Zealand'.

Pacific islands don't fight each other, Muslim states rarely do, or African dictatorships or Sth American banana boys. Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan were minding their own business when the Yanks gate crashed the joint. The big killers are the Europeans, the poms did fire-bombing of civilian cities and yanks did the nukes, praise the lord.

You're delusional .... Iraq & Iran had bee bluing for decades. Iraq invaded Kuwait. The Saudis have been at loggerheads with Yemen.

As for Libya & Afghanistan ... Grin

you wanker

Muammar Gaddafi ring any bells? Another sponsor of global terrorism.

As for Afghanistan .... why were the Soviets there for a decade prior to their withdrawal in 1989?

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 15426 Armidale Gender:	Re: democratic peace Reply #18 - Mar 21^st, 2024 at 6:41pm Frank wrote on Mar 21^st, 2024 at 6:28pm: Iran Iraq war. Iraq Kuwait war. Iran Iraq=US Gulf War 2 Iraq Kuwait=US Gulf War 1. The US has been at it ever since in much of the Islamic world. Stuff happens but liberal democracy as the Innocent Ones is no go.
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Reply #19 - Mar 21^st, 2024 at 6:41pm

Gnads wrote on Mar 21^st, 2024 at 6:29pm:

Setanta wrote on Mar 21^st, 2024 at 5:04pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 21^st, 2024 at 4:27pm:

And the war between France and NZ?

Conflict is not necessarily war and you did ask for conflicts, not wars.
Opération Satanique

Come on Set

the sinking of the Rainbow Warrior(which wasn't NZ vessel) in NZ is not a France vs NZ conflict/war.

If you saw my following post I crossed out some of what I said. Conflict, yes. War, no. If China sunk a US or really any nations ship in our harbour that they had an ideological bent against, we would take it personally and rightly so. They attacked and killed on NZ soil. Not sure the nationality of the dead, if you know, post. Would it make a diff if the deceased was a NZ citizen?

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 15426 Armidale Gender:	Re: democratic peace Reply #20 - Mar 21^st, 2024 at 6:43pm Gnads wrote on Mar 21^st, 2024 at 6:29pm: the sinking of the Rainbow Warrior(which wasn't NZ vessel) in NZ is not a France vs NZ conflict/war. Then it was just liberal democracy? Vive la France! Vive la difference!
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Re: democratic peace
Reply #21 - Mar 21^st, 2024 at 6:49pm

Setanta wrote on Mar 21^st, 2024 at 6:41pm:

Gnads wrote on Mar 21^st, 2024 at 6:29pm:

Setanta wrote on Mar 21^st, 2024 at 5:04pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 21^st, 2024 at 4:27pm:

And the war between France and NZ?

Conflict is not necessarily war and you did ask for conflicts, not wars.
Opération Satanique

Come on Set

the sinking of the Rainbow Warrior(which wasn't NZ vessel) in NZ is not a France vs NZ conflict/war.

If you saw my following post I crossed out some of what I said. Conflict, yes. War, no. If China sunk a US or really any nations ship in our harbour that they had an ideological bent against, we would take it personally and rightly so. They attacked and killed on NZ soil. Not sure the nationality of the dead, if you know, post. Would it make a diff if the deceased was a NZ citizen?

Maybe

One person died - Fernando Pereira (10 May 1950 – 10 July 1985) was a Portuguese-Dutch freelance photographer, who drowned when French intelligence (DGSE) detonated a bomb and sank the Rainbow Warrior, owned by the environmental organisation Greenpeace on 10 July 1985.

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 15426 Armidale Gender:	Re: democratic peace Reply #22 - Mar 21^st, 2024 at 7:14pm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_United_States "democratic peace" The Warsaw Pact had 3 conflicts. In the west, some Irish people supported the IRA fight against UK, and democratic Cyprus and Yugoslavia had conflicts. US, surprise, bombed Serbia. Hitler was elected, Stalin wasn't but Adolf did bad.
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Re: democratic peace
Reply #23 - Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 7:04am

chimera wrote on Mar 21^st, 2024 at 6:43pm:

Gnads wrote on Mar 21^st, 2024 at 6:29pm:

the sinking of the Rainbow Warrior(which wasn't NZ vessel) in NZ is not a France vs NZ conflict/war.

Then it was just liberal democracy? Vive la France! Vive la difference!

It wasn't a war chimera. It was just another demonstration of the reluctance of democracies to go to war against each other, and the many ways democracy offers to resolve this sort of thing without war.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53221 At my desk.	Re: democratic peace Reply #24 - Mar 28^th, 2024 at 4:25pm thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 28^th, 2024 at 4:21pm: Frank proved incapable of joining the dots between the causes of war and men's ego/id-affected thinking (in Freudian terms). Would you care to join the dots for us?
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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 59011 Gender:	Re: democratic peace Reply #25 - Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 8:19pm freediver wrote on Mar 28^th, 2024 at 4:25pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 28^th, 2024 at 4:21pm: Frank proved incapable of joining the dots between the causes of war and men's ego/id-affected thinking (in Freudian terms). Would you care to join the dots for us? Hallo? Mista Perroquet?! Hallo?!
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Re: democratic peace
Reply #26 - Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 8:26pm

Frank wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 8:19pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 28^th, 2024 at 4:25pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 28^th, 2024 at 4:21pm:

Frank proved incapable of joining the dots between the causes of war and men's ego/id-affected thinking (in Freudian terms).

Would you care to join the dots for us?

Hallo? Mista Perroquet?! Hallo?!

I think we will all fail to join the dots that only TGD can see.

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 56840 Gender:	Re: democratic peace Reply #27 - Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 8:28pm Well the Republicans/Trump seemed to use Politics to make Peace. As for Biden/Democrats - their Politics has thrown peace out the window.
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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 15426 Armidale Gender:	Re: democratic peace Reply #28 - Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 8:51pm freediver wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 7:04am: democracy offers to resolve this sort of thing without war. Then the Warsaw Pact countries kept bombing and shooting each other?
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