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Re: Queensland Lawfare
Reply #75 - Jun 30th, 2024 at 4:34pm
 
ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 30th, 2024 at 4:05pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 30th, 2024 at 2:05pm:
Hey, slick - you forgot the brief case about Fraser Island!!  Library's not open Sunday for you to go find an opinion on that one.... maybe your mates at the Browns Plains pub can help you yob it up...  see ya, junior!

Maybe democracy and open discussion are just not your game.... kid .... Jesus I hope you're not related to me with that 'intellect' raging there....

(ain't I a bastard?) ....

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I've forgotten nothing, it's just off topic and a deflection because it's got nothing to do with the voice by stealth you keep claiming.

You're being as disingenuous as always, bud.


Oh, pal - so YOU get to decide what should be considered?    Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin   You are delusional in your echo chamber, dude..... champ... junior.... delusions of grandeur now!!!   Next you'll try to tell us that handing freehold over Fraser Island to a few maybe local aborigines is the only way to progress!!!  What a hoot!!  .... tiger ......   Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin

Maybe democracy and open discussion are just not your game....
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Re: Queensland Lawfare
Reply #76 - Jun 30th, 2024 at 5:08pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 30th, 2024 at 4:34pm:
ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 30th, 2024 at 4:05pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 30th, 2024 at 2:05pm:
Hey, slick - you forgot the brief case about Fraser Island!!  Library's not open Sunday for you to go find an opinion on that one.... maybe your mates at the Browns Plains pub can help you yob it up...  see ya, junior!

Maybe democracy and open discussion are just not your game.... kid .... Jesus I hope you're not related to me with that 'intellect' raging there....

(ain't I a bastard?) ....

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I've forgotten nothing, it's just off topic and a deflection because it's got nothing to do with the voice by stealth you keep claiming.

You're being as disingenuous as always, bud.


Oh, pal - so YOU get to decide what should be considered?    Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin   You are delusional in your echo chamber, dude..... champ... junior.... delusions of grandeur now!!!   Next you'll try to tell us that handing freehold over Fraser Island to a few maybe local aborigines is the only way to progress!!!  What a hoot!!  .... tiger ......   Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin

Maybe democracy and open discussion are just not your game....


You set the terms of reference sport.

The Voice is being implemented by stealth using lawfare.

But none of what you're posting has anything to do with a constitutionally enshrined representative body to give advice to government.

I'm all for open discussion but at least keep it on topic.

Unless you'd like to walk back your claims about this thread being examples of the voice by stealth or even examples of lawfare because most simply aren't, and make it a more general look into indigenous issues in Qld then sure.

But if you can't stay within your own goalposts or even on the same field you set, don't be shocked or default back to victimhood when nobody wants to play with you, slugger.
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Re: Queensland Lawfare
Reply #77 - Jun 30th, 2024 at 5:32pm
 
"The Voice is being implemented by stealth using lawfare.'

Finally - your frank admission - one part at a time.... that's what stealth is all about, tiger .... you'll get there yet!!

Now then - about that demand for freehold control over Fraser Island - total control over the lend, eh - jest like the voice demand, champ... little bit at a time, eh ....  where is the need and where is the right?  They have native title and free shared usage, same rights as everyone else, and the right to proper 'ceremonies' at specified times - just not 24/7, you dig, tig?  None of this - "We used to skin fish there - that's a secred site!".

So where is their NEED for total Freehold control over all of Fraser Island and shutting in all other freeholders so as to make their residence untenable and excluding the 500,000 annual visitors .... and where is the Right to do so?

Not a hard question... get it right and I'm sure you'll have no trouble selling it to the majority freeholders on Fraser, buddy ... there are only about 147 or so - a clear majority - of them who aren't the 5 Abos..... they can scarcely count, eh?  What's 147 peaceful, quiet-living, honest citizens' rights compared to The Great Socialist Revolution, eh? .... here is your chance to not only justify your position but get it all together for your class presentation on Monday!!   Slick .... you can just bulldoze those people into the sand, eh?

That should be fun!!!!  The other kids at school won't oppose you like the real world does.... they're all little indoctrinated chicken sh
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ts, too!!  Unlike them, around 99% of those who respond with comments to these things oppose them utterly..... slick ...
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Re: Queensland Lawfare
Reply #78 - Jul 2nd, 2024 at 6:36pm
 
Arrrgh ... demand for full housing while living remote with no jobs...

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/remote-housing-fix-needed-to-get-real-o...

Well - there is an argument here for housing - considering the relative lack of jobs that can procure enough income for families to build a home etc.... Lawfare has many branches....  clearly assistance is needed.... but then - is this to be a gift or to be 'houso' - pay for use?

My idea of the 'rent' paid via 'houso' being payment towards ownership should encourage more responsibility over housing...
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Re: Queensland Lawfare
Reply #79 - Jul 4th, 2024 at 12:12pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jul 2nd, 2024 at 6:36pm:
Arrrgh ... demand for full housing while living remote with no jobs...

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/remote-housing-fix-needed-to-get-real-o...

Well - there is an argument here for housing - considering the relative lack of jobs that can procure enough income for families to build a home etc.... Lawfare has many branches....  clearly assistance is needed.... but then - is this to be a gift or to be 'houso' - pay for use?

My idea of the 'rent' paid via 'houso' being payment towards ownership should encourage more responsibility over housing...


Interesting.

Will they use this housing as the headquarters of an advisory group enshrined in the constitution, to advise parliament on laws impacting Indigenous Australians?
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Re: Queensland Lawfare
Reply #80 - Jul 4th, 2024 at 12:51pm
 
ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 4th, 2024 at 12:12pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jul 2nd, 2024 at 6:36pm:
Arrrgh ... demand for full housing while living remote with no jobs...

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/remote-housing-fix-needed-to-get-real-o...

Well - there is an argument here for housing - considering the relative lack of jobs that can procure enough income for families to build a home etc.... Lawfare has many branches....  clearly assistance is needed.... but then - is this to be a gift or to be 'houso' - pay for use?

My idea of the 'rent' paid via 'houso' being payment towards ownership should encourage more responsibility over housing...


Interesting.

Will they use this housing as the headquarters of an advisory group enshrined in the constitution, to advise parliament on laws impacting Indigenous Australians?


You're just hopelessly entrenched in ideologue delusion.

Beyond redemption .... get ye hence to a monastery.
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Re: Queensland Lawfare
Reply #81 - Jul 4th, 2024 at 12:57pm
 
Gnads wrote on Jul 4th, 2024 at 12:51pm:
ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 4th, 2024 at 12:12pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jul 2nd, 2024 at 6:36pm:
Arrrgh ... demand for full housing while living remote with no jobs...

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/remote-housing-fix-needed-to-get-real-o...

Well - there is an argument here for housing - considering the relative lack of jobs that can procure enough income for families to build a home etc.... Lawfare has many branches....  clearly assistance is needed.... but then - is this to be a gift or to be 'houso' - pay for use?

My idea of the 'rent' paid via 'houso' being payment towards ownership should encourage more responsibility over housing...


Interesting.

Will they use this housing as the headquarters of an advisory group enshrined in the constitution, to advise parliament on laws impacting Indigenous Australians?


You're just hopelessly entrenched in ideologue delusion.

Beyond redemption .... get ye hence to a monastery.


I'm not the one who started this thread and all the others with the intention of showing the use of Lawfare to implement the voice by stealth.

They're not my goalposts that keep being laughably missed or moved around.
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Reply #82 - Jul 4th, 2024 at 5:42pm
 
Well - clearly the very thought of all the moves behind the curtains to implement the components of the 'voice' being exposed openly for discussion terrify you.

Why is that, Sacka?  What's so scary about discussion such things demanded in the 'voice' proposal as 'treaties' (cargo cult cash) and 'truthtelling commissions' (one-sided), and so forth?

Why are you so afraid that you have to be so defensive about it?  What will be revealed that isn't already revealed?

Try looking at some of the links and actually viewing the comments instead of blowing hot air around..... it might wake you up.... 99% of comments are NO to all those moves.... you choose to not look at them but try to attack me!!  I'm merely the messenger of truth.... you are clearly terrified by the truth.....


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45 Vinyl
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What a bunch of double speak the term "Truth telling" is. Who is impressed by this kind of rhetoric?

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Steve C
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I don't see this as "aiding reconciliation".  It enables a biased and suspect narrative to be legitimatized.  The Tiwi Island and Santos decision identified the degree to which the indigenous narrative can be manipulated to suit their own purposes.  If one is unable to speak the truth in a court under oath then what are the chances in a biased commission?
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Steve Jones
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"Truth Telling" will only be of any value if BOTH sides of the story are heard and considered impartially. Other than that, those of us who don't identify as Australian indigenous folks will forever be targeted as the big bad invaders who wrecked and ruined everything.
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Paul Myers-Allen
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The referendum result made it clear what the majority of Australians want and it is the gov's responsibility to meet those expectations.  If they can't they need to resign.
Andrew Wilson
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What a load of tripe ... the appointment proceedings for the new Labor lacky GG. - baloney carry-on of absolutely no significance to any aboriginals apart from those playing who invented the ceremony.  We are living in fantasy land.
A C
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WTA??? We, the people, said NO! Typical government... do it anyway.

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Paul H
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More money wasted on the bludgers and grifters and while the countries debt continues to climb higher and higher. One day the pots going to be emty,

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AC
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Who will be the decider of the truth.
Wayne Douglas
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What a joke "what truth telling" their own version of a one side story. STOP the ROTY enough is enough!
John Niven
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Truth Telling what a joke the truth by one person.
The truth is Australia said NO, NO, which part of NO you do not understand
Geoff Hinschen
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All good as it is the truth and nothing but the truth from all sides.
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Lidia Grigg
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Don't bother. Australia said NO at the referendum. Anyway the Government is unable to tell any sort of truth. They are all liars. Don't you idiots ever listen to the people. NO TRUTH TELLING.
David Simpson
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The indigenous telling the truth, What about the rainbow serpent ? Secret womans business?

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David Simpson
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Truth now can someone give me the correct spelling and origins of their word serpent, That is in any one of the 600 dialects of the indigenious. As it goes back to creation so they say there should be many

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now i really know why they disarmed australia
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"HIC"...pass the flagon brudda..
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Re: Queensland Lawfare
Reply #83 - Jul 5th, 2024 at 1:24pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jul 4th, 2024 at 5:42pm:
Well - clearly the very thought of all the moves behind the curtains to implement the components of the 'voice' being exposed openly for discussion terrify you.


Which components of the voice are those?

The advisory group to Parliament?

The enshrining of such a group in the constitution?

The... Well, that's it.  There was nothing else to The Voice.

Where does better housing for Indigenous Australians fall in there?

Is it like Pizzagate, is "housing" code for "constitution"?
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Reply #84 - Jul 5th, 2024 at 7:42pm
 
Ooooh - here's part of the voice proposal - just for Queenslund where they do things diff'tuntly... be fascinating to see how this 'truth' pans out in reality....  Sacka down again ...

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/queensland-s-path-to-treaty-truth-telli...
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Reply #85 - Jul 6th, 2024 at 7:59am
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jul 5th, 2024 at 7:42pm:
Ooooh - here's part of the voice proposal - just for Queenslund where they do things diff'tuntly... be fascinating to see how this 'truth' pans out in reality....  Sacka down again ...

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/queensland-s-path-to-treaty-truth-telli...


Path to Treaty isn't a constitutionally enshrined Indigenous representative body that would advise parliament on matters relating to Indigenous Australians.

Nice try though.

The truth-telling portion of the path to treaty is a good idea though.

So much of what was done to Indigenous and Torres Strait Islander people was never taught in schools.  We should learn from our history, not just pretend it didn't happen.
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Reply #86 - Jul 6th, 2024 at 12:33pm
 
Stop pretending to be stupid.
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Reply #87 - Jul 6th, 2024 at 1:59pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jul 6th, 2024 at 12:33pm:
Stop pretending to be stupid.


Stop being stupid.
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Reply #88 - Jul 6th, 2024 at 2:58pm
 
ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 6th, 2024 at 1:59pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jul 6th, 2024 at 12:33pm:
Stop pretending to be stupid.


Stop being stupid.


No second prizes.... winner takes all here.... now - why have YOU forgotten what the voice was in reality?  Personal choice or years in the echo indoctrination chamber... the 'training session' ....

It's been laid out for you dozens of times way back to during the campaign for it - yet you still desperately cling to the one surviving piece of woodwork still floating - Albo's Big Lie that it was nothing more than a simple one-page request for ... wait for it  ... a special body that nobody else has, all paid for by the ordinary people, and that would give one small group inside running over every issue in the country as well as separate 'sovereignty' and control over land, water and resources..... not just 'a part in decisions about land, water and resources' - but CONTROL over those as if by some Divine Right.

Now stop pretending to be stupid... you won't wear me down that way..... I'm busy terrifying your kind by assembling all the data in one place....
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Re: Queensland Lawfare
Reply #89 - Jul 6th, 2024 at 3:59pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jul 6th, 2024 at 2:58pm:
ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 6th, 2024 at 1:59pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jul 6th, 2024 at 12:33pm:
Stop pretending to be stupid.


Stop being stupid.


No second prizes.... winner takes all here.... now - why have YOU forgotten what the voice was in reality?


Nope.

It was a proposed constitutional amendment to establish an advisory body for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people to provide input on laws and policies affecting them.

That's what it was.

That issue has been put to bed, as has been the cover you enjoyed to spread your hatred towards Indigenous Australians under the guise of "debate" around the vote.

That's why you're trying to pretend everything in this thread is an attempt to use lawfare to implement the voice by stealth, so you can continue to pretend to be debating that issue.

I know it sounds like an odd thing to say, but you won, get over it.
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