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Re: Queensland Lawfare
Reply #45 - Jun 26th, 2024 at 5:45pm
 
Lawfare - the extension of war by other means - i.e. abuse of law.

Now lessee .......  Native Title offers, according to the Federal court:-

The Commonwealth Native Title Act sets out how native title rights are to be recognised and protected.

.  does not apply to any land used by the government or any freehold land that's been bought by citizens.

.  it applies to Aboriginal land or unallocated state land, areas of cultural significance, National parks, state forests and reserves.

.  non-exclusive rights to areas

. recognised as holding non-exclusive native title, that means that the rights are exercisable subject to the laws of the state and the Commonwealth.

. can't prohibit people from going places, they can't stop people going onto beaches. Native title isn't a grant of land, it's a recognition of rights.


Lessee now:-

THIS lot - well... just look below - it's all there... as for this being part of The Voice By Stealth .... it's an attempt to twist and distort an existing law so as to give what that Voice would have handed over.... total possession of ALL that land, including freehold land held by others.   So lessee again.... they're not going directly after the FREEHOLD lands..... just grabbing everything else so that living there is non-viable.... and who's going to buy that from them when they are forced out?  Now then - this prohibiting people from free use and access to their own homes and going places freely and sharing use ..... nah - this can't be handed over - EVER.... not under 'native title' or the Native LAND Act (note the difference?)!  They've got their share of freehold for free.. enough to live on ad enjoy peace and quiet ....  stuff 'em!

Enough is enough.... stuff 'em!  Someone will....

You can be as blind and stupid as you like, Sacka..... one day it will all be yours...... YOU drink it!

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Re: Queensland Lawfare
Reply #46 - Jun 26th, 2024 at 5:57pm
 
Just think, Sacka - even if you are an Aborigine, any land totally taken over by one group where you live - you'd better be of the 'right' group, eh?  Seven descendant small 'bands' of a former mission, Wadeye - can't co-exist without killing one another and battling it out for supremacy...... for some reason their forebears were taken to the mission, and yet not one of these groups wants to leave it!!

To paraphrase an old Vietnamese saying - lock seven Aboriginal bands in a room and within twenty minutes one will emerge victorious!!

When YOUR 'wrong' group gains control over where you live - you'll be for it!!

I can't wait..... I'll be laughing as it comes over the news.....YOU ASKED FOR IT - same as Queensland asked for it by throwing its hands in its panties and  crying about 'treaties and other Voice By Stealth moves....

The only question is:-  how much of this crap will the Queensland people take?  A decent LNP or ON would romp in IF they could just get their sh
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Nah then - about that State of Origin - better rush out and put a bet on Queensland to ensure they fahr ken lose...
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Re: Queensland Lawfare
Reply #47 - Jun 26th, 2024 at 7:40pm
 
So you've taken a "No" vote on the referendum not to mean that the concept of a constitutionally enshrined voice for Indigenous Australians to parliament was shot down, but instead that nothing can be done to assist them, even by legal methods, government policy or charitable efforts, for all time in perpetuity?

You cite in these various threads, anything done to help them, or even examples of people demanding change when they die in custody, as "lawfare".

You're not even sticking to a consistent point, you're just trying to shoehorn any news about Indigenous Australians into your obsession and use that to justify them getting unfair treatment making you the victim.

We've been through this already...

You're not fooling anyone and just making yourself look like a moron.
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Reply #48 - Jun 26th, 2024 at 9:15pm
 
Keep trying..... the States immediately started up saying they would implement all the components, one by one, that were demanded by the voice...

The Labor controlled states apparently do not feel they are bound by the majority vote of the Australian people as a whole, or of the majorities in their own states.  As neo-Feudal lords, Gauleiters, Kommissars, Apparatchiks, and Reichsleiters, they are beholden ONLY to their own consciences and to the Party and its official line (draws another sharp knife), the rewards for which are clear - a future G-G spot or 'head honcho' in a government department or such (handling Robodebt or something.... today on news - 'NSW Minister for Music and The Late Night Economy') - at somewhere near $1m as year, or as a 'minister' on a salary package of $3-4 MILLION a year.

What are you - deaf, dumb and blind?  Here's a match - light that gas light.... it might just open your vision enough to see.....  Roll Eyes

You can run around all you like raving about people 'crying' about a vote that was 'won' as if it was lost... clearly you do not wish to see reality - the States are doing this Voice By Stealth on behalf of Labor International, since Federal Labor LOST IT at the polling booth!!

What are you - deaf, dumb and blind... or just deliberately stupid?  WTF kind of 'education' have YOU had?  What kind of Usual Suspect are you?  How much does Party Central pay you to be so stupid (visions of some 'call centre' with back-packers paid to spout this madness)?  Are you joking - or are you really that mad?

Best you check my CV... a brain in your head would be afraid... very afraid .... I used to monitor the media...... and a few other things... the Eld Gel reminded me of that .... not much gets past me ... I have controlled alief down to a T .....
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Re: Queensland Lawfare
Reply #49 - Jun 27th, 2024 at 7:33am
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 26th, 2024 at 9:15pm:
Keep trying..... the States immediately started up saying they would implement all the components, one by one, that were demanded by the voice...


Interesting, so we are back to your refusal to articulate what you think the voice is.

There is a difference between what the voice was proposed to be, that is, an advisory body designed to give Indigenous Australians a greater role in the legislative process by providing them with a formal mechanism to advise the Australian Parliament and government on policies and issues that affect their communities, vs what the outcomes of that advice would be in terms of benefits to Indigenous people it could help achieve.

We voted No to the advisory group, not No to ever helping Indigenous Australians ever again, for all time, in perpetuity.

This whole time you've been claiming you were against what the voice was, but now it's clear you've let your mask slip and this whole time you didn't want what it was to achieve, in helping Indigenous Australians, to come to fruition.

Unless you want to clear the air and correct the record, this is a rather shocking admission.

Shocking as in it is a terrible position to hold, but it is of absolutely zero surprise you hold it, no shock there.
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Reply #50 - Jun 27th, 2024 at 7:41am
 
Still running around whining as if the Voice referendum had passed! Unbelievable!
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Reply #51 - Jun 27th, 2024 at 12:22pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Jun 27th, 2024 at 7:41am:
Still running around whining as if the Voice referendum had passed! Unbelievable!


Thank you, Herr Goering.... clearly you need to stay off what it is you're on - the Voice FAILED - the States are sneaking in every part of it behind the voter's backs.

**coughs** even you can see that these are two separate issues and two separate thrusts to divide and give inequalities in this country.

Grow up....... I can't re-train idjits every five minutes - I have whales to watch and such... books to write.... people to preach to about life, law and equality.... do some work for yourselves and getchu heads outchu asses!

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Reply #52 - Jun 27th, 2024 at 12:28pm
 
ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 27th, 2024 at 7:33am:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 26th, 2024 at 9:15pm:
Keep trying..... the States immediately started up saying they would implement all the components, one by one, that were demanded by the voice...


Interesting, so we are back to your refusal to articulate what you think the voice is.



You missed the 26 page link of Albo's one page simple request, with details of what is demanded?

Learn to read.  You are a classic troll - you NEVER read a single thing, just rant and rave and ad hom.

Grow up.  You been to Fraser Island yet to preach your virtuous ideas to the freeholders living there on their bought and paid for blocks in their bought and paid for homes - compared to - say the seven hectares free gifted as freehold to the Whingers?

Worked out yet that States do NOT possess the right to make 'treaties' with 1100 disparate groups across Australia and are bound by the will of the people already expressed?  Herr Hitler?  Any answers?  A little bombast perhaps?  A little obfuscation and dancing around the issues?

You wouldn't have the balls to even try....

So according to Idiotsville, the reality that the voice was thrashed means that everyone shyould ignore what the Labor states are doing without  and actually against the approval of their people.  You'd make a great Fascist/Stalinist/etc dictator.  "All must be subservient to the State!" - except out lots as chosen...... you are the problem - not the solution.  Gotta be a sheila or raised as one...
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Reply #53 - Jun 27th, 2024 at 12:39pm
 
Brisbane!!   Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin 

You ARE sitting in some padded spot paid to push this BS as instructed to blindly follow by complete idiots bent on subjugation of the general populace by chopping away at the Tree of Democracy one axe bite at a time!!!

You ARE a sheila!! That's how sheilas and dictators think!! There is only one thing worse than Queensland Labor, love - their Opposition... but what choice do the real people there have?

This gets better by the day..... QUEENSLAND!  BRISBANE no less!  Splendid isolation from reality!!

Easy trip to Fraser Island..... just use the expense account... plenty more where that came from!!  Give us your full recorded and supported by video and audio report of your discussions with the freeholders living there and wanting to live in peace.

What's your next twist and turn?  No balls for the trip there?  It's just up the road apiece - you could get the pulse of the real people on the ground for a change - you know - The Forgotten/Deliberately Overlooked STAKEHOLDERS!?!

When are you starting the trip to reality?
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Re: Queensland Lawfare
Reply #54 - Jun 27th, 2024 at 4:40pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 27th, 2024 at 12:28pm:
ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 27th, 2024 at 7:33am:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 26th, 2024 at 9:15pm:
Keep trying..... the States immediately started up saying they would implement all the components, one by one, that were demanded by the voice...


Interesting, so we are back to your refusal to articulate what you think the voice is.



You missed the 26 page link of Albo's one page simple request, with details of what is demanded?

Learn to read.  You are a classic troll - you NEVER read a single thing, just rant and rave and ad home.


The problem is what you're complaining about being "lawfare" and the voice by stealth has nothing to do with the voice.

At all.

Hence why I question if even you know what it is...

It's as if you're just using it a catch all for anything that mentions indigenous people.
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Re: Queensland Lawfare
Reply #55 - Jun 27th, 2024 at 4:41pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 27th, 2024 at 12:39pm:
Brisbane!!   Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin 

You ARE sitting in some padded spot paid to push this BS as instructed to blindly follow by complete idiots bent on subjugation of the general populace by chopping away at the Tree of Democracy one axe bite at a time!!!

You ARE a sheila!! That's how sheilas and dictators think!! There is only one thing worse than Queensland Labor, love - their Opposition... but what choice do the real people there have?

This gets better by the day..... QUEENSLAND!  BRISBANE no less!  Splendid isolation from reality!!

Easy trip to Fraser Island..... just use the expense account... plenty more where that came from!!  Give us your full recorded and supported by video and audio report of your discussions with the freeholders living there and wanting to live in peace.

What's your next twist and turn?  No balls for the trip there?  It's just up the road apiece - you could get the pulse of the real people on the ground for a change - you know - The Forgotten/Deliberately Overlooked STAKEHOLDERS!?!

When are you starting the trip to reality?


I think I broke him...

Are you ok?
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Re: Queensland Lawfare
Reply #56 - Jun 27th, 2024 at 7:27pm
 
ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 27th, 2024 at 4:41pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 27th, 2024 at 12:39pm:
Brisbane!!   Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin 

You ARE sitting in some padded spot paid to push this BS as instructed to blindly follow by complete idiots bent on subjugation of the general populace by chopping away at the Tree of Democracy one axe bite at a time!!!

You ARE a sheila!! That's how sheilas and dictators think!! There is only one thing worse than Queensland Labor, love - their Opposition... but what choice do the real people there have?

This gets better by the day..... QUEENSLAND!  BRISBANE no less!  Splendid isolation from reality!!

Easy trip to Fraser Island..... just use the expense account... plenty more where that came from!!  Give us your full recorded and supported by video and audio report of your discussions with the freeholders living there and wanting to live in peace.

What's your next twist and turn?  No balls for the trip there?  It's just up the road apiece - you could get the pulse of the real people on the ground for a change - you know - The Forgotten/Deliberately Overlooked STAKEHOLDERS!?!

When are you starting the trip to reality?


I think I broke him...

Are you ok?


You broke yourself the moment you started... you're out of steam....... when are you going to Fraser Island to consult the majority freeholders who do not want all this absolute control over every other part - I'm afraid your pets are going to have to be content with their ancient rights to walk the land, catch fish, build a fire etc - same as everyone else - anywhere apart from on freehold land.

5 people living there out of 152 - and they reckon they own the place.....  that dog ain't gonna hunt.... get used to it.  I know - why not hold a vote of the Island's regular inhabitants since you are petrified of the idea of going to the other 147 OWNERS and trying to sell them your tripe.... then you could start on the rest of Australia again...... might do better on the replay, eh?
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Re: Queensland Lawfare
Reply #57 - Jun 28th, 2024 at 6:45pm
 
ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 26th, 2024 at 7:40pm:
So you've taken a "No" vote on the referendum not to mean that the concept of a constitutionally enshrined voice for Indigenous Australians to parliament was shot down, but instead that nothing can be done to assist them, even by legal methods, government policy or charitable efforts, for all time in perpetuity?

You cite in these various threads, anything done to help them, or even examples of people demanding change when they die in custody, as "lawfare".

You're not even sticking to a consistent point, you're just trying to shoehorn any news about Indigenous Australians into your obsession and use that to justify them getting unfair treatment making you the victim.

We've been through this already...

You're not fooling anyone and just making yourself look like a moron.


You as a moron have no right to call anyone else a moron.
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Reply #58 - Jun 28th, 2024 at 7:44pm
 
Well - you could possibly say that those things done 'in-house' via 'policy' of a 'department' or 'regulation' same-same - are thus 'policyfare' and 'regulationfare' ........ but since all these bodies etc are set up under legislation - they are properly Legislationfare = Lawfare - and extension of Civil warfare (in this case) by other means,....

Simple really - only the mentally deficient could not follow such simple things...

Say ......... rather than taking a VOTE of ALL FREEHOLDERS over the issue of HANDING FREEHOLD over land currently held for all under NATIVE TITLE and SHARING USAGE to a small group of ITINERANTS who comprise less than 4% of the TOTAL POPULATION of the area under consideration... regulationfare and policyfare should just be handed down by the Fearless Leaders appointed by the 'government' using its powers of LAW.... and F
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CK the will of the MAJORITY!

Socio-Fascism to a T .... the Gauleiters, reichleiters, Kommissars and other Petty Despots win over the people in a democracy.... and clearly they are terrified that a single person is assembling all the data for full review in one place ..... and it is more than clear that the accumulated knowledge therein is overwhelmingly showing a chopping down of the tree of Democracy one bite at a time.....

And out of the Wreckage of the West there rode one mighty hero.... and all of Reality followed after im ...


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Reply #59 - Jun 28th, 2024 at 7:55pm
 
Gnads wrote on Jun 28th, 2024 at 6:45pm:
ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 26th, 2024 at 7:40pm:
So you've taken a "No" vote on the referendum not to mean that the concept of a constitutionally enshrined voice for Indigenous Australians to parliament was shot down, but instead that nothing can be done to assist them, even by legal methods, government policy or charitable efforts, for all time in perpetuity?

You cite in these various threads, anything done to help them, or even examples of people demanding change when they die in custody, as "lawfare".

You're not even sticking to a consistent point, you're just trying to shoehorn any news about Indigenous Australians into your obsession and use that to justify them getting unfair treatment making you the victim.

We've been through this already...

You're not fooling anyone and just making yourself look like a moron.


You as a moron have no right to call anyone else a moron.


No visit to Fraser Island to persuade the majority of Freeholders there that they should meekly surrender their rights to free movement/shared usager over their and everyone else's National Park?  No move to take a democratic vote of the Stakeholders/Freeholders on Fraser Island to see what THEY want?  .... (distant thunder) ..... Where's the list of the 'lies' I've told?

Oh - and BTW - Aborigines die at a lower rate in 'custody' than they do in their own communities, and at a slightly lower rate than all others while in custody..... if they are more represented in custody - talk it over with their elders and enforce some real change in their culture and attitude. Let's not forget the 76/81 ......... 76/81 ...... 76/81 .... and over 300 'missing' - not many of whom ever made it to a city or elsewhere and if they did - how would they live?  On the streets?  **coughs** I've KNOWN such some women living in cities - they live by selling their bodies ... what are their choices - those few who actually get out of the 'culcha' of death?

Again - putting all the data in one place in preparation for a full review is nothing like what you try to paint it as.... and you are clearly terrified by such a thing happening at all... too much information available to the public is a bad thing, ay?

I'll be pruning it and organising it and writing it all down soon enough ... you mark my words.

Now - get thee to Fraser Island - go - tell those Freeholder Majority Stakeholders that they are about to be shoe-horned into access only to their own lots, making their rights to live there untenable..... Lawfare at its very worst..... and you ARE the problem - not the solution... have the guts to go and face them when you tell them what your ideologists are going to do to them.

150 or so people at a time so nobody notices, eh?

WRONG!!  NOTED!

How I love arguing with fools........   Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin
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