lee wrote on Jul 5^th, 2026 at 5:17pm:


Your errors (being a blind Neanderthal (sic) 'survival of the fittest' free market ideologue):

1. The 11 million Uighurs in Xinjiang are benefitting from the rapid industrialization and increase in living standards experienced in ALL of China since the 2010s.

2. Separatist terrorists  are criminals who must be  re-educated  in prison camps for the safety of the community.   

3.  Forced assimilation  - like Howard's preference in Oz for abos - is another matter.

China allows legal practise of culture.

I myself consider enlightened quality of life to be more important than cultural attachment.  Obviously you think poverty is a natural condition among men.

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(Wikipedia)

In July 2019, UN ambassadors of 37 countries, predominantly in Africa and Asia, signed a joint letter to the United Nations Human Rights Council defending China's policies in Xinjiang while 22 countries, mostly in North America and Europe, opposed them

The developing Global South nations have a different view of "Rights" to the developed nations.

I consider quality of life to be more important than cultural attachment.  Obviously you think poverty is a natural condition among men.

lee wrote on Jul 7^th, 2026 at 6:18pm:



Not according to AI.

"There’s no clear, reliable evidence that Uyghurs as a group are consistently “benefiting” from Xinjiang’s GDP growth in the sense of sharing proportionally in higher incomes and good jobs.

What we do have is mixed and often suggests unequal distribution and coercion risks:

    Better pay and employment exist in some official data, but these describe overall income/employment gains for Xinjiang residents rather than showing that Uyghurs specifically captured the gains.
    Research on labor-market stratification in Xinjiang finds that Uyghurs and Han have different employment-sector placements, with earnings gaps that can widen in more marketized sectors—suggesting the growth benefits are not evenly shared.
    Multiple human-rights and labor-rights reports describe systems of state-imposed forced labor / coercive labor programs affecting Uyghurs and other minorities; in that scenario, GDP growth can occur without genuine, voluntary economic benefit for the people impacted."

Chinese Communist Theatrical Play—Oriental Red



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lee wrote on Jul 9^th, 2026 at 6:06pm:


OK

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 9^th, 2026 at 1:05pm:


per AI: "The average wage for Uyghurs in Xinjiang is significantly low, with reports indicating that some Uyghur workers earn as little as 600 RMB per month (approximately $100), which is less than half the minimum wage. Many are subjected to forced labor conditions, receiving limited pay for their work."

Now there is the problem. According to that, if what you say is true, only Uighurs live in Xinjiang. But that isn't true because the CCP is migrating Hans to there. [/quote3]

So Uighur wages on average are lower than Han ...like abo wages on average (affected by higher poverty rates) are lower than non-abo Oz wages. 

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Except for fundamentalist, separatist terrorists, Uighurs are increasingly sharing in Chinese prosperity like the rest of the nation, just as abos who abandon the 'First Nation's culture' bs (as if a h-g culture can coexist with a money economy) can share in Oz's prosperity (ignoring entrenched poverty and the Oz housing crisis affecting many low income groups).


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That's what the US and Oz trumpet about their own citizens.....

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Yeh ...and how many "equality" democracies deliver the essentials for all, without which 'equality before the law' is an utter sham. 

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Cripple brain lee  -  I've answered it a miilion times: government can eradicate poverty by organising the resources needed to deliver the essentials (housing, food, transport, education), but your delusional "scarcity" economics prevents it; and non-systemic factors resulting in individuals' 'poor choices' (common in  disadvantaged groups)  can be corrected via well-managed  social service interventions. 

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Minor ethnicities need to adopt the nation's laws.

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Your scarcity economics cripples your brain, as noted above and many times before.

To insist Oz can't build enough secure housing for everyone is sheer vicious ignorance. 

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Crippled brain lee:

AI might indeed "make work optional and money irrelevant" (Musk) -  but in any case money is created ex nihilo,  meaning money supply is always infinite, the real task is mobilization of limited resources to eradicate poverty, while avoiding inflation by balancing supply of and demand for non-infinite resources.

To repeat, Oz has all the resources needed (though not infinite) to securely house and nutritiously feed everyone.  Oz exports vast amounts of food,  and essential buiding materials eg iron ore to make steel. 

Of course AI can't produce food, but it can assist in making production of food and building materials more efficient, by comparing current processes around the world and highlighting the most efficient practices, and examining causes of these differentials.

 
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google AI - I asked about abundance and 'money scarcity' as opposed to resource scarcity. 

Now, AI isn't perfect (yet)**[but $billions are being invested, and it's even likely we will go through a 'dot.com' type bust before the real AI-generated increases in productivity will happen]. 

**eg in the AI quote above namely:

"[i]Our current money system is based on scarcity (there is not enough to go around, so people compete for money).

The AI shift: AI and automation will create abundance (machines can produce limitless food, goods, and services).

2. The Problem with the Current Debt-based money system: etc.[i]

Re the undelined:

AI-enhanced machines (and robots) can increase labour productivity by orders of magnitude, but not create "limitless food, goods, and services."

The AI agent in this case is still having  trouble defining  meaning (eg, "limitless") within  context (money versus resources).

Whereas money supply IS unlimited for a sovereign currency issuer, whose constraint is resources (and hence inflation) not money. 

lee wrote on Jul 11^th, 2026 at 5:37pm:


Logic: Xinjiang's non-prison population has experienced the same order of increase (on average) in living standards,  as ithe rest of China in the last 3 decades. 

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Crippled brain lee: human rights standards must apply in all nations, or are meaningless.   
Like your "equality before the law" bs - while people live in systemic  poverty imposed by your lizard-brain. 


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Because the 1st world 'democracies'  steal 3rd world resources: eg Royal Dutch Shell stealing the Niger delta's m oil resources while Nigerians live in  poverty.

(google)

[1]While Shell operates via legal joint ventures with the Nigerian government, critics, local communities, and human rights organizations argue that the systemic exploitation of resources constitutes a form of economic and environmental theft[/i]


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Because your (unconscious)  lizard-brain rejects logic in favor of entrenched disadvantage.

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If 'monoculturalism' means  acceptance of a nations laws? Yes.

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The post WW2 Menzies govt. housed, clothed and fed everyone during a time of rapidly increasing population and living standards.  See Keynesian 'welfare state' policies, 1946-1980s. ('welfare' as in 'wellbeing',  not subsisting on the dole. Note; Menzies almost lost the 1960 election because unemployment had ticked up to - 2% (!) 

There's your proof a government can mobilize resources to deliver the essentials for all.    

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See Lee's brain crippled by  Thatcher's "other people's  money" bs:  in the current system public money is limited by taxation.    

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You're a slow learner: I pay my bills by earning a wage and/or borrowing money which I must repay with interest.

The federal government - a currency-issuer  - doesnt NEED to do either of those things, despite the fact delusional Neoclassical economists insist it does. 

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Yet again (sigh): money is created ex nihilo - ask AI.... ( hence "infinite");  and government can deliver goods and services limited only by the nation's resource endowment, not money (via taxes or borrowing). 

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Er , agricultural productivity has been increasing  since the beginning  of agriculture, AI   can  enhance the process. Same as productivity in factories, there are vast numbers of processes to be upgraded.

eg AI can inform scientific research into drought and frost resistant grains etc. 

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Your confusion: food and fuel production in the 20th century has rapidly increased , allowing the global population to increasee from 1.5 to 8 billion  -  though maybe a resource limit IS now being reached. 

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Wrong: AI is limited by the quantum of data on the internet, hence the boom in data processing centres.

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The constraint for c-i governments is resources, not money.

You are confused - as was the inaccuracy in the AI quote I pointed out:

" machines can produce limitless food, goods, and services" ...

Not quite accurate....but your delusion that c-i governments can't deliver the essentials for all  - while the resources are available to satisfy the needs of 28 million Aussies - is way more egregious.

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thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 12^th, 2026 at 1:10pm:



And yet you continue to think AI is intelligent.

lee wrote on Jul 12^th, 2026 at 2:11pm:


Irrelevant to the increase in living standards of Xinjiang's non-prison population under the CCP.   

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Your error: ALL Chinese have the same rights in law as defined in the Chinese constitution, same as in Oz -  a 'liberal democracy' -  with law defined in courts.

Note: separatist terrorism is illegal in China, just as 'sovereign citizens' are illegal in Oz. 

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Blind lee: the issue is good governance which increases 'common prosperity'.  See 'democratic socialism' - on which Mamdani was recently elected in NY.

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AI: "Nigeria has generated over $831 billion in revenue from its oil and gas sector between 1999 and 2023, according to audited data by the Nigeria Extractive Industries Transparency Initiative. Nigeria generates an estimated $35 to $38 billion USD annually from crude oil sales."

See the problem - a bit like Oz...whereas the Qatar govt. owns Qatar's  gas reserves, and has one of the highest living srandards in the world.

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Good to see you doing some research via AI, but you misssed the fact unemployment under Menzies was under 2%, meaning less people were living in 'welfare' poverty.

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I certainly do care your crippled brain is deluded by Thatcher's "other people's money" delusion. The 'figures'  are the resources required to house, feed and employ everyone.

AI will work the figures out for you - but it would require the resources of government to actually calculate the figure.  AI will make it possible for govt, if not you...

Musk : "AI wil make work optional, and money irrelevant". 

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Your error: money is a "resource" for private sector players (you and me), but NOT the public sector which has the capacity to legally create money ex nihilo.

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Calculations which AI makes possible, given the vast amount of data processing required.   

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Aiding research into drought resistant grains by drawing on the total knowledge stored on the web. 

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Your error: drought etc is a natural variation but the capacity of seeds to  cope with climate variables is amenable to scientific manipulation enhanced by AI.

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Your error: the boom in AI is a boom in data-processing capacity utilizing computers, regardless of computer chip technology and speed, though advances in both will reinforce one-another.

lee wrote on Jul 12^th, 2026 at 5:58pm:


Uighurs are nearly half the population of Xinjiang; if the non-prison population aren't sharing in the 80% increase in Xinjiang's standard of living over the last 3 decades (cf all of China), the Han people  there wolukd be the richest inhabitants in all of China.....

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Separatist, terrorist criminals forfeit "rights".  Law abiding Uighurs are fine.

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They will be in gaol if they break the law - or dead, like those sovereign-citizen fools who murdered police investgating a DV charge in Queensland a couple of years back.  

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Mamdani's election is evidence people want good governance, ie, provision of affordable housing, food, child care, and transport.

But like Pauliine (who is already self-destructing according to latest polls), Mamdani will have to explain how he intends to get Trump (via the national treasury) to properly fund essential services in  NY without 'offending' NY's billionaires who are threatening to leave...

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The world still wants Oz resources; and a one-off devaluation is acceptable (during the buy-out).

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It follows when mean wages don't cover cost of living -  like now after 5 decades of post Thatcher Neoliberal/Neoclassical orthodoxy.

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Funny for crippled brain lee: a department required to collect, analyze and utilize the huge amount of data would need the resources of many govt. departments - the reason why balancing resource demand and supply isn't done at present, so the inflation-control  task goes of the central bank with its blunt (and often self-defeating) interest rate tool.   

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He is leading humanty to Mars, so his views on money and work should be considered.

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I want legal currency-issuers to 'pay for' socialism.

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Your error: PS workers must also use [b]'credit' money[/] (like private sector workers) issued by commercial banks, whereas the government ("public sector") can be  authorized to fund itself via issuance of 'fiat money' for free by the national treasury - provided the govt balances resource demand and supply (to avoid inflation).

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Massively increasing "data crunching" is indeed the key to speeding up productivity, hence  Musk's  assertions re money and work.

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Gene splicing like all technologal advances results from data accumulation, sped up by AI.

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The point is data collection and utilization, aka as gaining knowledge. 

AI will get us to Mars faster, or any other material goal you deem worthwhile,  because the more knowledge scientists can access  from all sources of knowledge, the more secure the desired outcome.